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I seem to have accidentally aquired a live-in boyfriend. What the hell do I do about it?

435 replies

whostheJohnsonnow · 26/10/2015 18:15

In a nutshell...

I live in London, and have a flat that comes as part of my second (voluntary) job.

My boyfriend has just been offered a temporary job in the city. He normally lives with a family member in a neighbouring county. My issue is this: He has put my address as the address he lives at ( with my knowledge) as he was struggling to find employment in his own area. Trouble is he now seems to think that it is fine to stay at mine to save himself travelling everyday. I love him, but I also love my own space. I don't want to upset him, but I also seem to have gained a live in partner without asking. What do I do?

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LisbethSalandersLaptop · 27/10/2015 15:36

Expat speaks wise words. He is not 'kind' if he is telling you are 'irrational' in company for wanting him to stand on his own feet.

Offred · 27/10/2015 15:42

Agree with expat.

Don't be a mug - of course he has it in him to be nasty and malicious, all people do. He has been nasty to you many, many times it has just almost always been presented as him being rubbish at things rather than nasty.

He has managed to exploit you, he is currently having his entire life provided and facilitated for him by you and his family... This is conscious manipulation. If was just depression things wouldn't have ended up being so completely planned for his benefit only would they?

No doubt he is genuinely depressed, his life sounds deeply unsatisfying but you aren't helping him by allowing him to use you. He needs to stand on his own feet and take responsibility for himself. If he continues to resist this he is going to be depressed forever and leave a trail of people who have been used up behind him.

Offred · 27/10/2015 15:45

And who wants to be in a relationship with someone they know is only interested in what they can get out of you? That's who he is, anyone who gets in a relationship with him as he is now can expect he will only be interested in what can be provided for him and not who the person is.

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 27/10/2015 15:45

He sounds exhausting.

I will read with interest to see how he reacts tonight. He sounds very experienced at gaslighting and deflecting. And making you feel awful about yourself.

WhatchaMaCalllit · 27/10/2015 15:46

expat, the OP clearly is finding it difficult to move on in this relationship or even to move out of this relationship entirely. I agree that if she gives him an inch he'll take a mile but if she can couch her words in phrases he will understand and do it subtly perhaps it will work for both of them.
If it were me, I'd have to tell him to move out, in plain English and not skirt around the issue any more than has already been done. But I'm not the OP and neither are you.

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 27/10/2015 15:47

expat - what is DTMFA though?

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 27/10/2015 15:47

expat - what is DTMFA though?

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 27/10/2015 15:47

Sorry for the double post

Offred · 27/10/2015 15:50

Dump the motherfucker already.

suzannecaravaggio · 27/10/2015 15:54

he's the child and you're the parent OP

MissMarpleCat · 27/10/2015 15:54

DTMFA, great saying expat.
Take heed op and take back control of your life.
Why would cocklodger get a job when he's got you to leach off?

NameChange30 · 27/10/2015 15:56

He's a fucking loser. I like DTMFA. Will no doubt use it again!

OP you need to work on your boundaries and assertiveness. Would you consider doing the Freedom Programme?

expatinscotland · 27/10/2015 15:57

There is also a non-confrontational way to ditch him. You pack all his shit up whilst he's out, have the locks changed and leave a note on the door.

You need to do the Freedom Programme, OP, and try to get to the bottom of why you allow yourself to be treated like shite by men.

suzannecaravaggio · 27/10/2015 16:00

Next week he goes back to his relatives house
will the relative not be tearing his/her hair out wondering how to palm him off onto someone else?

not that it's your problem but this bloke sounds like a bit of a dead weight...or do you think he might pull his socks up given the right incentives?

Offred · 27/10/2015 16:07

The wearing your clothes, taking your keys, taking long showers, staying in your bed after you have got up are all ownership behaviours. If he was a dog he would be pissing all over everything...

He's well and truly comfortable. When I stay at my boyfriend's I get up when he gets up because it isn't my house and it isn't my bed and it'd be highly rude to just help myself to it. I'd never dream of staying in his flat after he left for work. We've been together 2 years. We don't live together because neither of us want to. Behaving as though I owned his house would be overstepping the boundaries we each want because we don't live together.

He's essentially that twat who won't order their own chips but still steals all yours...

TelephoneIgnoringMachine · 27/10/2015 16:13

The thing is, when you are dealing with someone with any severity or type of MH issues, they aren't your responsibility. You can provide support, a shoulder to cry on, you can listen when they want to talk, sit in companionable silence, everything. But if the relationship isn't also fulfilling for you, you will grow to resent it, and them, eventually. Guaranteed. DH and I have had conversations about this at a time when he was severely agoraphobic & I felt he wasn't pulling his weight. However the difference with DH is that I have a pretty good idea what has caused his MH issues (although he's still in denial) & he has given me as much support, in a variety of ways, as I've given him over the years. Our relationship is equal, although we contribute differently to it, and we are both happy together. This does not sound like it's the case with you.

suzannecaravaggio · 27/10/2015 16:19

If he was a dog he would be pissing all over everything

great line :o

DontMindMe1 · 27/10/2015 16:44

He just doesn't seem to grasp any of the complexities of living in the real world That's because he's been 'mollycoddled' and has never HAD to live in the real world as an independent adult. There is a first time for everything and NOW is his time to do that - at his own expense.

He's not somebody who would intentionally be mean and cruel From my own experiences i can tell you that people like him won't be overt in the games they play with you. They take the softly-softly, passive aggressive, emotionally manipulative approach. Such as making you feel like YOU are responsible for 'helping/sorting' them out - i.e mothering them. When you voice the issues out loud (i.e you refuse to ignore them) that's when you see their shadow side they have been hiding from you....which he has demonstrated already by accusing you of being 'irrational' the first time you brought it up.

The only way to deal with this is to be decisive and firm and don't back down or allow him to throw insults and accusations at you. It's YOUR flat in YOUR name and YOU are responsible for what happens in it - FULL STOP. You don't want to live with anyone and he should respect that. He's choosing not to.

Regards his commute - tough shit. He should have factored in the time and cost of his commute when applying for and accepting the job. In my last job i had to commute an hour and half either way to get to work - which involved either 2 or 3 bus changes depending on what time my shift started. For my 7am shifts I had to leave home at 5am to walk to the bus stop to catch the first bus going into town in order to get to work for 7am. Yes it was a pain in the arse but it had to be done in order to pay the rent and bills. I was prepared to walk an hour into town to catch the bus if i had to - because that's what people do when they don't have someone else paying their living expenses.

Just remember - he's your boyfriend NOT your child and you don't HAVE to make the same allowances for him that his family have done.

Potatoface2 · 27/10/2015 16:48

the army blokes girl friend had a young child.....where did that thread go...wondered about that earlier

Jackie0 · 27/10/2015 16:50

Just dump the loser.

Lonecatwithkitten · 27/10/2015 16:58

I provide accommodation for my staff and where they have partners they have to sign to state they have right to residency to prevent them gaining a tenancy to the property. So your bosses may have something to say about him moving in. My employment contracts for these state very clearly they must obtain permission for anyone else to stay there more than a couple of new nights.

DontMindMe1 · 27/10/2015 18:10

it's difficult when you're emotionally involved with someone but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

in my mid 20's i allowed my then bf to move in with me temporarily when he got thrown out by his parents (that alone should have set the alarm bells ringing). He knew from day one that i expected him to get down to the council and start sorting his own accommodation out - but i ended up sorting out the paperwork for him because he wouldn't/couldn't/felt embarrassed Hmm

i was unemployed at the time - I used to get roughly £40 a week JSA. After paying my water rates, topping up the meter for gas n electric and buying the groceries and essential toiletries etc for that fortnight i had literally £1 left over per week - which i used to treat myself to a McDonald's value double cheeseburger Grin

He complained that i was 'tight/stingy' for refusing to put heating on and expecting him to wear extra clothes - didn't seem to understand that the gas & electric had to last a fortnight for cooking, washing/drying clothes and hot showers. He also didn't seem to realise that switching on lights, charging phones (and his laptop) used electric - or even that the meter continued to charge me even if it no credit on it so i still had to pay that debt the next time i topped up. He complained about having to eat Smart Price food, it was 'shit' quality apparently - not like the brand stuff his parents bought! Apparently living like a 'pauper' was ok for me but not for him!

I told him beggars couldn't be choosers and if he dared to talk to me like that again - the ONLY person who was willing to provide a roof above his head and food in his belly- then he could go sleep on a park bench and eat at the homeless shelters like others who's circumstances left them with no other choice.

like you, i too have a big heart and due to my own shitty childhood grew up feeling like it was my responsibility to help/sort out the problems of those i was involved with/close to me. I used to feel i was being mean, petty and selfish if i didn't. It was me who had to force him to sign on so he had some income. I was being 'unreasonable' apparently when i expected him to pay half his jsa towards the living costs Shock

we were both smokers, but whereas i could go without if i couldn't afford it he resorted to stealing to satisfy his craving. he would tell me his 'mates' bought it for him - until i found out he was stealing the packs left around by the builders working on my block.

A couple of months after he moved in i got a job - but i still expected him to live by my rules in my flat and i refused to buy him cigarettes or beer. He had this idea that me working meant he was entitled to have better food,heating on all day, nights out and cigarettes and beer paid for by me! Lmao! I couldn't even afford that for myself so soon after starting work and paying full rent and council tax so i don't know why he thought HE was entitled to it out of my earnings.

I don't like living with people, i'm one of those that needs a lot of time to themselves and i HATED coming home to find him sprawled on my sofa, playing on his laptop not having done any housework and breathing in my space. Some might that peculiar but that's how i am and feel and i make no apologies for it.

I was accused of 'nagging' him....because i had to tell him to clear the plug hole of his hair - EVERYTIME he used the shower, clean the toilet instead of leaving the skid marks and piss on the seat and floor, because used tea bags go in the bin - not left on the side of the counter to grow mould (it takes the same amount of effort for gods sake!), because his dirty football gear needed to go in the washing machine and HE had to press the buttons to wash it and then hang them out to dry. I felt like his MOTHER, i even had to tell him to shave and brush his teeth! I never had the privilege of being 'mollycoddled' or 'mothered' in that sense and i resented having to do it for him.

he'd never lived on his own or had to fend for himself, his mum and dad used to do everything for him and provided everything for him. The highlight of his 6 month stay in my home was when he complained to his parents that i was charging him HALF his income to live at mine - and they pointed out to him that they, and I, had been providing for him out of our own pockets, and now that he had some money coming in it was only fair that he contribute towards his upkeep! Grin He had convinced himself that because his parents and i would be paying household costs even if he wasn't living there that meant that a) him being there didn't really cost us much in extras and b) he should only have to pay for his food and personal stuff because asking him to contribute towards rent etc was just cheeky!

i threw him out on windy, rain drenched november evening when i came home to find that he'd been rifling through my suitcases and had stolen the bag of pennies (amounting to £17 that i had forgotten i had) so he could buy cigarettes. If he hadn't been so stupid as to leave the carrier bag behind with the strip of paper stating the amount i never would have realised. Idiot! Funnily, up til that point i had been feeling 'responsible' for him, but when i found out he'd stolen from me something snapped inside. i confronted him, he gave me the same sob story about being 'sorry', how he felt like killing himself cos his life was shit and unfair -this time i just heard myself saying "ah boo hoo! aren't you a very special snowflake?! it's called 'real life' and taking responsibility for yourself. I too feel like life is too much for me to handle right now, i don't even want to be alive most days but i don't have the luxury of wallowing in my self pity and neither can i afford to - so why the fuck are you expecting me to make it possible for you? Get out - right now - i don't care if you have nowhere to go but the park bench. you've had 6 months to get that sorted and i'm not letting you stay here for one more minute so you can steal and take the piss even more"

i didn't feel guilty or bad once i'd said that. he was old enough and intelligent enough to have self awareness but chose to play the 'i'm helpless, mentally fragile' card to manipulate me into 'keeping' him. Last i heard he was sofa surfing at his friends house - until they made the mistake of giving him the rent money to pay in and he stole it. They couldn't afford to get another £350 together and ended up being thrown out of the house they'd been living in for a year.

TheCreepyContessaOfPlumperton · 27/10/2015 18:20

Dontmindme that is one of the most emotionally satisfying stories I have ever read Grin

lighteningirl · 27/10/2015 18:27

I wish there was a like button

whostheJohnsonnow · 27/10/2015 18:33

Jesus Christ Dontmindme. That is the most horrific tale! Well done for slinging him out though.Amazing how these people pretend to be helpless, but still manage to get by via sponging ( and stealing) from other people!

Perhaps I need to hit my own, personal rock bottom too before I snap? There are quite a few similarities in our stories too. My bf smokes ( only roll ups though, so he says it's cheaper) I also found out last week that he has a ten pound a month apple music account!!!!

Oh and I had to nag him to sign on as well. He was then sanctioned twice.

My horse is OK (sort of) He has a type of skin cancer, but it's treatable. It has cost me a hundred quid today though, so that was painful. Thank you to everyone who asked. You are all very kind. Flowers

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