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Please tell me I'm wrong to assume all men coerce and pressure women into sex, or worse

226 replies

snowflake02 · 19/10/2015 21:06

Just that really. What happens in a healthy relationship if you aren't in the mood? Is that really the end of it?

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NameChange30 · 21/10/2015 10:26

cailindana Not at men are like that. My DH doesn't ignore my wishes. I didn't have to fight to get him to listen and work as a team. Sorry, but if he's one of the best men you've ever met, you haven't met many decent men.

cailindana · 21/10/2015 10:43

Possibly true Emma, though I know a lot of men and every single one of them is the same.

NameChange30 · 21/10/2015 10:46
Hmm
snowflake02 · 21/10/2015 10:49

Oh, it's not sounding particularly hopeful!

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NameChange30 · 21/10/2015 10:50

OP don't listen to cailin!

NameChange30 · 21/10/2015 10:53

How on earth can anyone claim with any seriousness to know what all men are like? (Or all women, all straight/gay people, white/black people, British/American/etc etc for that matter.)

YOU DON'T KNOW ALL THE MEN IN THE WORLD. You only know the ones in your limited experience and social circle. You're probably attracting/attracted to dickheads.

snowflake02 · 21/10/2015 11:02

How do I spot a dickhead? And how do I stop attracting them?!

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cailindana · 21/10/2015 11:03

It's not people I'm attracted to Emma. It's male friends, partners/husbands of friends, my BIL, my FIL, my own father. I'm not saying every single man in the world is the same, I'm saying every man I've met is like that.

Kacie123 · 21/10/2015 11:36

The father-partner similarity pattern is an interesting one and worth a good Google / therapy discussion over.

I've known some men to be dickheads and women too. I've known some men to be wonderful and women too. I've known many in between.

Gender doesn't determine anything but childhood patterns sadly often do and can be tackled.

Elendon · 21/10/2015 12:26

Stop choosing dickheads. (sorry if that seems harsh)

You seem lovely and deserve a lovely partner. Your radar is now on full transmission. You will spot them resisting is another matter

NettleTea · 21/10/2015 12:33

if you have done the freedom programme, then revisit. also worth looking at the 'shark cage' theory - explains that its not neccesarily that you attact dickheads - they are out there circling and trying to get anyone that bites - but that your childhood hasnt prepared you at how to recognise that their niceness is actually walking over your boundaries. So in that way, yes, people who have experienced abuse in childhood can often have a long string of abusive relationships because they havent been given the self confidence and protective barriers to just bat these twats away.

snowflake02 · 21/10/2015 12:58

That makes a lot of sense NettleTea , thank you. I will google that.

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NettleTea · 21/10/2015 13:17

link here

snowflake02 · 21/10/2015 13:35

Thank you

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snowflake02 · 04/03/2016 22:34

So, I've remained friends with this ex boyfriend and he is desperately trying to win me back. I have found myself wavering because he has managed to convince me that it wasn't the real him. He has actually told me it was my fault because he thought he was loosing me, which concerns me. But he is very convincing, showering me with flowers and now chocolate too.

Is it possible for a stressful situation to make someone behave like that even if it is totally out of character? He has been unbelievably kind and helpful in the last 8 weeks and has even this week stopped pressuring me for an answer. Could he be telling me the truth when he says it will never happen again? Or do I keep walking in the other direction? Should I give him a second chance, or has be shown me his true colours already?

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DioneTheDiabolist · 04/03/2016 22:51

He showed you who he was and you walked away OP.
He's reminding you what he did and blaming you and you're thinking of going back?Shock

Excuses, lies, lack of accountability and blame are all he's offering. He's still a dick.

britmodgirl · 04/03/2016 22:52

Keep walking!!!

He has shown his true colours and will return to them in some shape or form.

britmodgirl · 04/03/2016 22:55

Actually I've reread your recent post and he's blaming you for stress caused? Whilst trying to win you back.

I'm always up for second chances and working things through so deffo not a hard ass cynic.

The guys a joker.

Keep. Moving. Stay. Strong

DioneTheDiabolist · 04/03/2016 22:58

BTW, I didn't see this thread originally, but to answer your question OP you are wrong to assume that all men will push you for sex.

I have had quite a few men in my life/bed over the years. Only 1 has tried to pressurise me into sex.

snowflake02 · 04/03/2016 23:02

He has toned down the blame now, saying that what he did was wrong, but he only did it because he was terrified of loosing me...which actually sounds odd now I think about it!

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DioneTheDiabolist · 05/03/2016 00:41

"...which actually sounds odd now I think of it."

Well done OP.Thanks You're getting better at spotting bullshit.Smile He hasn't changed, he's still an arse of a man. He's throwing out excuses and chancing his arm. He hasn't changed, he's still a dick.

Walk on by.

ChickyChickyParmParm · 05/03/2016 04:41

No no no. No way. Keep walking, OP. Plenty of good men out there.

wotoodoo · 05/03/2016 05:02

Don't you think it's funny how you are getting the best possible relationship from him now you are not having sex: he's kind, thoughtful, giving you presents? So keep it that way!

Have sex with him and you will be back to.square 1

He's the type who love the chase. He'll be nice and respect you until you give him what he wants.

Disgusting that he pressurized you into sex. He has hands he could easily relieve himself if he wanted to!

In my experience it.is.a.massive turn off for a.man when a partner is unwilling. I have never ever been coerced and tbh that would show massive disrespect I would get rid immediately and never give them.a.second.chance.

Please have self.respect op.

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 05/03/2016 07:02

I'd missed the fred when you were first posting, but have to weigh in with this update. Not only do I think you can't trust him & have sex, I really do believe you should cut all contact with him.

He's pressurised you before, more directly, for sex. So you know This Is What He Does. Just because he's not getting any now doesn't make him a good guy. All those lovely gestures are just more pressure.

Sooner or later, I fear, he's going to snap and think "Fuck it. I've put in enough 'nice' and 'presents' - I'm entitled now!"

Look, snowflake, you do deserve niceness and presents. But that's not what these are, not from him. They're bargaining chips and sometime, maybe not long, he's going to expect payoff.

And even if he doesn't just haul off and rape you, I'm concerned for your own peace of mind. Especially during this vulnerable time when you're trying to sort out your thoughts and gone your "twat radar" Grin, the last thing you need in your life is this confusion.

Please do yourself a favour. Break all contact with him. Give him a simple explanation if you want to, but just do it. Cold turkey. If nothing else, his reaction when you do will speak volumes. I don't think a single soul on this fred will take my bet when I say that he's going to throw in your face how much he's spent on you.

Take care of yourself. Stay strong.

PreemptiveSalvageEngineer · 05/03/2016 07:04

"hone" not "gone". #badphone