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She wants another baby. I can't.

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NumberTwelve · 17/08/2015 21:59

Not sure why I'm here tbh.

My wife and I, both mid thirties, have been married for a little over a year, together for nearly five, and have a daughter who is just over two years old.

From my previous marriage, I also have a son, who is 8. My boy was born brain damaged, and is non-communicative, can't walk very at all, and has a few other related illnesses. He's a wonderful boy, happy, fun loving, and affectionate. But clearly given his disabilities, looking after him is frequently challenging, and often heartbreaking. I have him for tea and take him home to put him to bed twice midweek, with at least one over night stay at the weekend, sometimes two. I'm very lucky to have such great access, and a good relationship with his mum.

My wife is set on another baby. Until now, my conveyed opinion has at best been "I'd be happy if we don't and happy if we do". Non-committal, and somewhat untruthful. Often I've said I don't want one, but it's soon been upgraded back to Non-committal to protect her feeling.

I don't want another baby, and told her so this evening. Because of her shifts, I'm often left with both kids on my own, and whilst I absolutely love it, it's very hard work, balancing their two very different needs emotionally, medically, and from a dependency perspective. I just couldn't cope with another one thrown into the mix. My son is only going to get bigger, heavier, more dependent on me, and I'll always be there for him. My little girl is the light of my life, and I love the time I'm able to spend with her. The precious time I have with both would obviously be diluted with another child. Allied to that, I frankly couldn't cope with the three of them on my own, which would happen quite frequently.

An additional barrier is financial. We plain old can't afford another baby. We have a nice life, decent income, but the last week of every month is always very tight. Granted, one might say we waste money early in the month, but I would say we enjoy a decent quality of life. The added financial burden would make the whole month like that last week. I feel we both work too hard and too long to go through that.

My wife very, very rarely has both my son and our daughter alone, and when she does its for no more than an hour. Despite my telling her, I don't think she truly realises how difficult my life can be with the two kids I've got. Rewarding, obviously - but very much at the limit of what I can cope with.

She's just driven off to be alone. I know that what I've just told her has broken her heart. I know that in many ways it's selfish. But it's not a subject that families can truly compromise on, is it? One party is forced to accept something that they don't want.

I've tried to want a third child, but I just can't. I'm so happy with how things are - difficulties notwithstanding - that I just can't actively want that to change.

It kills me that I'm doing this to her, and I fully expect to be the bad guy on here. I don't really know why I'm writing. Just a sounding board I guess.

Cam a woman ever recover from this? Will she leave me? Is not wanting a baby anymore selfish than wanting one?

Thanks for reading. Abuse away.

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NumberTwelve · 19/08/2015 13:05

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Offred · 19/08/2015 13:06

The way to fix that is to be very clear and firm and honest now and to listen, understand and support her in coming to terms, not just with not having another DC with you but the effect of you not having been upfront when you could have been on her.

NumberTwelve · 19/08/2015 13:07

Fairenuff, yes we have kept everything from when our daughter was a baby. She desperately wants another one.

How us she today? Dreadful. She's been sent home from work and is currently asleep.

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Christinayanglah · 19/08/2015 13:10

Op

If she feels that bad then I doubt this situation is just going to go away, she is now grieving for the child and life she had planned

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 13:10

faire I think because the op has a seriously disabled child, he tends not to deal with 'the long term' or 'the bigger picture' something that is exacerbated by having step families involved.

This I have every sympathy with, as I am also a step mum and deal with SN, so I do appreciate both.

But I am afraid some degree of planning is required because, if I am honest (op I think if you are honest you would agree) I think the op was hoping the situation would solve itself... Either the new wife would decide another baby wasn't on the cards or simply ran out of time waiting... But fair play to the op, he has told her now.

The last cannot be undone... Only time can heal now,

Offred · 19/08/2015 13:11

Stay firm with your decision though 12. You can't agree to a baby just because she is desperate for another one of it would be wrong for you.

She needs to come to terms with the reality of the situation.

ExConstance · 19/08/2015 13:13

I have reported your rudeness to Bathtimes, I think you are only here for reassurance that what you are doing is not so bad. Life is often about compromises and I wondered if you had considered how much harder life will be if your wife leaves? And how much tighter the funds will be at the end of the month? I've read a lot of the posts but haven't noted your wife's age, I hope she has time to find someone else to give her the baby she so much desires.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 13:14

I am sorry to read that no12

I am not even sure if she knows you have posted this, but she is welcome to PM me.

She is going thru hell right now. It's what happens when all the plans and dreams are pulled from under you.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 13:15

And that's not a dig... I felt the same when DS was diagnosed. Everything I had planned for him was suddenly a distant dream, but it does work out.

Christinayanglah · 19/08/2015 13:17

It's the loss of a dream isn't it, and that can be very painful

Fairenuff · 19/08/2015 13:17

I understand. But they, as a couple, initially talked about more than one child together. OP kept this up even when he knew he could not cope with more. Everything his wife has done, work, househunting, etc. has been with this in mind because she thought they were both on the same track.

Now it's all changed and it is heartbreaking for both of them. The relationship may survive, it may not. Even though she says she wants to work on staying together, it might just not be possible for her. She will have lost trust in the OP and that is hard to regain. Also, of course, her whole future has just been turned upside down.

OP I wish you both all the best, whatever she decides and hope you can take away from this thread some of the excellent advice on making life a little easier for you right now, regardless of any future planned or unplanned pregnancies.

PS make sure your contraception is tip-top so that you minimise the risk of unplanned. (Although her letting you near her right now is highly unlikely I suppose, longer term you must really be careful or might find yourself in the situation that you are so deperately trying to avoid).

Good luck with it all.

amarmai · 19/08/2015 13:27

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MaudGonneMad · 19/08/2015 13:31

armarai he hasn't told 'mners who is allowed to post'. Your reading comprehension appears more than a little defective.

And if you have any suspicions about posters, report them to MNHQ. You've already had one post deleted for accusing the OP of sockpuppeting.

Offred · 19/08/2015 13:38

I agree with fairenuff and wish you both well.

MuffMuffTweetAndDave · 19/08/2015 13:52

Muff you are just taking bollocks now. You are wanting the OP to acknowledge feelings he may or may not feel in the future and take responsibility for the potential end of his marriage...How the fuck is he supposed to know how he will feel in the future? He knows that his marriage is on shaky ground given he and his wife want different things from their life/marriage. What more can the poor man do he doesn't have a crystal ball.

Yeah, no. Learn to read better. In your slavish desire to back the OP at all costs, you've not only decided you know better than him about his own life but you're making shit up about what people have posted. It's not a good look.

OhDearMuriel · 19/08/2015 14:03

Ultimately you have duped/betrayed your wife over what will be one of the most important things to her.

I think you need to be very careful, because this is likely to be the beginning of the end for both of you.

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 14:06

Yeah, no. Learn to read better. In your slavish desire to back the OP at all costs, you've not only decided you know better than him about his own life but you're making shit up about what people have posted. It's not a good look.

Erm yep ok then it wasn't me who posted Re bitterness, I don't mean he's bitter now. I mean he might get that way in the future if he's unable to acknowledge the legitimacy of her anger. He might hold it against her, basically. Most posters have focused on the likelihood of her leaving him over this, which I agree is a realistic possibility. However, if they stay together, it isn't just going to be about her accepting his decision and actions. It's also going to be about him accepting her response to the situation. Because she might well be angry, upset and bitter for some time, and there's no guarantee he'll be willing or able to cope with that. Both of them will need to accept each other's response to this situation.

I think your post above is very much YOU thinking you know better than the OP when you were highlighting how he will feel in the future. Maybe it is you that needs to read better Hmm Oh and I haven't made any shit up about what people have posted so you don't look so hot yourself Muff

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 14:06

OP your post to Bath was deleted but I will assume you were spot on with what you said.

Inertia · 19/08/2015 14:24

I'm sure Bathtime can stick up for herself/himself, but actually identifying that Number12 seems to place some of the blame on his wife for failing to know something he'd never explicitly told her until 2 days ago does get to the heart of the matter. It's a horrible situation for all involved, but it's not Bathtime's fault that it's happened.

Number12, what do you see as possible outcomes from this, and what would be your preferred way forward? What would your wife's preferred option be?

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Peacocklady · 19/08/2015 14:32

I feel incredibly sorry for your wife who at a time when she must be just beginning to start really enjoy imagining another baby, believing you are too, is informed that actually nope, not happening and not only that, but that you are not really enjoying what you do have. You have betrayed her terribly and you are not willing to budge at all. A little door of hope slammed shut for her.
I can't imagine the difficulty of managing a disabled child and a toddler at those times when you do have them together on your own but are you imagining a newborn in the situation as it is now? Because by the time a new baby arrived things will have moved on with your dd who will be older and I assume your wife would take mat leave and therefore be there to help when your son visits, if only by having the younger 2, for at least a few months and your dd will be starting nursery or school etc. As pp have said, you can work practical solutions to your difficulties, why are you not willing to do so? In what way have you tried to bring yourself round to the idea, which you said you have done?

NumberTwelve · 19/08/2015 14:38

Inertia, the way I see it, the possibilities are:

  1. She, in time, accepts the reasons behind my thinking (which she largely does now, particularly emotionally) and we eventually become happy again.
  1. We can't get past it in time, and have to split up.
  1. She believes that that my reasons are specific to now, and hopes that they change in time.

4.Her heartbreak changes my mind, and I put her need before mine. I then either learn to cope or breakdown completely. If the latter, one or both of us is unhappy forever.

  1. She leaves me immediately

At the moment I feel 4 is most likely. Preference to 3 but obvious concern is that this is just delaying the inevitable and giving hope where I can see none.

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goddessofsmallthings · 19/08/2015 14:43

As your problem seems to be that you find it difficult to care for 2 dc at the same time, if your dw leaves you you'll be arrange contact with your dc so that you'll only have to look after one dc at a time - 2 midweek short
'teatime' sessions and every other weekend with your ds as per existing arrangement and another 2 midweek short sessions and intervening weekends with your dd.

Hopefully, that will not prove to be too onerous for you and doubtless you'll be booking a vasectomy so that there's no possibility that you will take up with another woman and father the child your dw so desperately wants with her, and your dw will be free to find a man who is less given to expecting her to be a mind reader and who will be overjoyed to have dc with her.

Fairenuff · 19/08/2015 14:49

4 is most likely? After all you've said Shock

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