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She wants another baby. I can't.

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NumberTwelve · 17/08/2015 21:59

Not sure why I'm here tbh.

My wife and I, both mid thirties, have been married for a little over a year, together for nearly five, and have a daughter who is just over two years old.

From my previous marriage, I also have a son, who is 8. My boy was born brain damaged, and is non-communicative, can't walk very at all, and has a few other related illnesses. He's a wonderful boy, happy, fun loving, and affectionate. But clearly given his disabilities, looking after him is frequently challenging, and often heartbreaking. I have him for tea and take him home to put him to bed twice midweek, with at least one over night stay at the weekend, sometimes two. I'm very lucky to have such great access, and a good relationship with his mum.

My wife is set on another baby. Until now, my conveyed opinion has at best been "I'd be happy if we don't and happy if we do". Non-committal, and somewhat untruthful. Often I've said I don't want one, but it's soon been upgraded back to Non-committal to protect her feeling.

I don't want another baby, and told her so this evening. Because of her shifts, I'm often left with both kids on my own, and whilst I absolutely love it, it's very hard work, balancing their two very different needs emotionally, medically, and from a dependency perspective. I just couldn't cope with another one thrown into the mix. My son is only going to get bigger, heavier, more dependent on me, and I'll always be there for him. My little girl is the light of my life, and I love the time I'm able to spend with her. The precious time I have with both would obviously be diluted with another child. Allied to that, I frankly couldn't cope with the three of them on my own, which would happen quite frequently.

An additional barrier is financial. We plain old can't afford another baby. We have a nice life, decent income, but the last week of every month is always very tight. Granted, one might say we waste money early in the month, but I would say we enjoy a decent quality of life. The added financial burden would make the whole month like that last week. I feel we both work too hard and too long to go through that.

My wife very, very rarely has both my son and our daughter alone, and when she does its for no more than an hour. Despite my telling her, I don't think she truly realises how difficult my life can be with the two kids I've got. Rewarding, obviously - but very much at the limit of what I can cope with.

She's just driven off to be alone. I know that what I've just told her has broken her heart. I know that in many ways it's selfish. But it's not a subject that families can truly compromise on, is it? One party is forced to accept something that they don't want.

I've tried to want a third child, but I just can't. I'm so happy with how things are - difficulties notwithstanding - that I just can't actively want that to change.

It kills me that I'm doing this to her, and I fully expect to be the bad guy on here. I don't really know why I'm writing. Just a sounding board I guess.

Cam a woman ever recover from this? Will she leave me? Is not wanting a baby anymore selfish than wanting one?

Thanks for reading. Abuse away.

OP posts:
Christinayanglah · 19/08/2015 10:11

Inertia

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Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 10:12

Well, he has to deal with reality.

He does have a disabled son... Does he see himself spending more time with him as he gets older? Will he want to give more money as his costs increase, which they undoubtedly will? Would he want to adapt the house to cope with the son? Does he see his wife becoming more involved in the care of his son. That sort of thing

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 10:18

He is dealing with reality. It is the reality of his current situation that has helped him decide that he does not want anymore children.

I cannot for one second think he hasn't thought about all those things you have listed Iam anyone with a severely disabled child tends to spend half their time thinking about what the future may hold for them.
As for does he see his wife more involved with Ds care.....how do you know she wants to be? OP has already stated his sons behaviour can be very aggressive which may worsen as he gets older, maybe it is his wife's choice not to be massively involved with the care. You are again just assuming it is the OP that is stopping her without actually knowing that.

MaudGonneMad · 19/08/2015 10:20

has the op changed his name or has 'dads security' -which mn admin is warning us against-assigned this thread to one of their members.?

What a fucking arse you are, amarmai

Offred · 19/08/2015 10:23

Stan, you're going too far.

There are things in his life which can change - the bigger than they need house, the 40 minute journey to his son's primary home, the wife's working pattern and lack of inclusion in the care of his eldest, the overpaying of CM when it clearly isn't needed and is having a negative effect on his life etc I think you have got all het up and stopped listening so I'm not accusing you of deliberately manipulating my post but I did not say or imply that he chose to have a disabled son. Hmm

Christinayanglah · 19/08/2015 10:23

I hope everything works out for you and your family op

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 10:23

I am sure he has thought about all of those things... Just as he thought a lot about having a baby... But perhaps he should take this opportunity to share that with his wife!

NumberTwelve · 19/08/2015 10:26

Just to address a few things.

"his wife is excluded from the care of his son"

This isn't true. What I said was, that my wife is rarely in a position that necessitates her being alone with both kids, and if so it's not for more than an hour or so. Simply, I have contact with the boy when I'm available, not when I'm not. When the four of us are together, she is absolutely involved.

"strung her on for years"

I absolutely accept that my position hasn't been firm for the 12-18 months that a third child has been a possibility. But I haven't been firm with my words, because I haven't been truly firm in my thoughts. I have always internally leaned to the 'no more' camp. If she'd have said 18 months ago "that's enough", I'd have had a vasectomy there and then. But she didn't, she was clear she wanted one. So I've tried to want one. I've used the time that we weren't active to try and align my feelings with hers, and I've failed to do that. I should definitely have made my leanings clear, and I accept that's given her false hope (whilst privately acknowledging that she's only heard what she wants to hear, as I clearly didn't actively want a baby). There's no denying that this has been handled poorly, and has given our relationship an added problem to overcome.

"her shifts/job/income distribution is centred around the probability of another baby".

Untrue. She was in this job, with this working pattern, with this salary, before I met her. I haven't lulled her out of £200 a month to get a nicer kitchen. We individually decided on a figure we could afford to contribute, and budgeted accordingly.

We spoke last night. At first she was extremely (understandably) angry.

On the deception/delay/change of mind (depending on your point of view), she absolutely believes I've let her think it was OK because I didn't have the bottle to have the conversation. I didn't try to change her mind as there's no value in that, and her feelings are entirely valid regardless of my intention. I explained that I've tried to want a child for her, because I love her, but I've failed on that.

Then of course she asked why. We (quite calmly) discussed the practicalities/financial concerns, what the possible solutions were, why I thought they wouldn't work, why she thought they would.

We discussed my ability to cope emotionally and mentally. My honesty and openness was absolute, for probably the first time ever. I admitted my daily feelings of despair and heartache for what my son goes through, for what I go through. I've agreed to look at personal counselling.

She asked if I'd feel differently in a few years. I said I can't see myself ever wanting one, and I don't want her to hang her hat on it, or get any false hope. The whole conversation was probably only an hour. During a ten minute conversation earlier in the day, in the kitchen, my son fell off the sofa. He can't put his hands out, but didn't hurt himself. This illustrated part of my point about not physically being able to cope with adequately caring for three children, even if it's only a few hours a week.

She's clearly very, very upset. She says she won't leave me, but i suspected that that was for our daughter rather than us. At least in the heat of that emotion that was my inference. Could be completely or partly wrong, of course.

She's devastated. I'm deeply upset that I've devastated her.

OP posts:
Offred · 19/08/2015 10:27

And those things are part of what is making his life difficult. Completely aside from having another DC those things could all be assessed and some could be changed. If the op makes those things into the barrier to another DC that his wife wants after saying for a year he "was happy if we do, happy if we don't" with occasional "I don't want another" always going back to the non-committal response then his wife would be fair enough in thinking he is not final in his feelings and changing their lives might bring him back to the "happy if we do..." Feeling. It won't be clear unless he is very clear, very concise and very firm at this point.

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 10:27

Stan, you're going too far.

What the hell does that mean?

I read your post as I read it. There was no manipulation at all that is what you posted.
I am not het up just astounded at some of the blame culture going on and the incessant need of some posters to constantly go on about what he said and how he said it, even though he cannot change it.

Christinayanglah · 19/08/2015 10:29

Couples have came through worse, perhaps some joint counseling would be useful, it may help you both move on and work through any resentments

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 10:30

But you've been truthful. Well done no12

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 10:30

Oh OP that must have been so difficult for you both. Thank you for coming back.

Where you both go from here is as yet unwritten. I think counselling for you both, individually maybe a good start and a step forward.

Offred · 19/08/2015 10:34

I'm glad you've talked. She may be devastated yes but you haven't devastated her by being honest. It is not a fault to not want more DC and she doesn't have a right to expect more IMO.

I wouldn't recommend you stay together for the DC as this will be miserable for everyone.

Footle · 19/08/2015 10:39

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Waltermittythesequel · 19/08/2015 10:40

You've begun the process of getting through this by being totally honest and I absolutely think counselling for yourself is a great idea.

She says she won't leave me, but i suspected that that was for our daughter rather than us

I really hope that's not true. Neither of you deserves to stay in a relationship that doesn't make you happy.

I sincerely hope things go well for you all.

Offred · 19/08/2015 10:41

Stan - what happened in the past cannot be changed however it does impact on how things go forward in the future. Of course you know that. Of course you must see that if you haven't been clear in the past it precipitates a need to be clearer in the future can't you?

You deliberately excluded the part of my post which explained the circumstances in the op's life that could be looked at. It is slightly ridiculous to imply I either said or meant that he chose to have a disabled son FFS. This is not the only factor in the op finding things difficult.

I have never suggested he make changes so he can have another DC. I suggested he needs to make changes because they are needed in his current situation and to not put too much emphasis on the practical issues as reasons why he won't consider another because they are reasons why his life now is difficult, changing some things should be about making his life easier and not about having another baby. If he brings them up as issues in relation to the baby conversation his wife could be forgiven for seeing them as barriers to a baby not reasons he is unhappy.

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 10:49

I can see that and the OP can see that hence why he stopped giving noncommittal answers as said "I don't want anymore".

What is ridiculous is that even after the OP has admitted he was wrong to give a maybe/maybe not answer on the first bloody page you are still intent on bringing it up, going over it and frankly beating him with it. I don't get why you are doing that?

How is wife is seeing his reasons is not his fault, she is choosing to now ignore the fact he said I don't want anymore. He has given reasons because she asked, what she chooses to do with the answer is not his fault as now he has given her the honesty he should have done. By the looks of his update he is continuing to be honest.

Offred · 19/08/2015 10:55

Stan I'm not beating him with anything and I haven't done that at anytime. I'm simply pointing out that I think in addition to being honest he needs to be very firm and clear now and giving the reason why. If you choose to read into that an implication that I believe he is a terrible person and should be punished forever then you are wrong and have got carried away reading things into things I've said. I'm trying to give him advice on how to sort things out going forward. You have stopped giving any advice and instead seem to be on a mission to read blame into as many posts as possible but I'd like to remind you that if you had issues with other posters those posters are not me and I'd prefer you didn't project your feelings onto me, not least because I don't think hysteria about everyone being against the op no matter what they say apart from you is helpful to the op.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 10:58

Let's leave this now. The OP has been clear about what he wants. His wife is understandably angry.

op please take this opportunity to reconnect with your wife. Tell her how you see your life, what input you want and need in your sons daily life.

I wish you both the best of luck

Offred · 19/08/2015 10:58

And he does need to be careful about how his wife sees things because she has been very clear about her feelings from the start and unaware of his until now. He has allowed her to feel there was another child in their future. He knew she felt that, he didn't do anything to stop her feeling that way until now. No blame, no recriminations, that is simply where they are. He does have to be very careful about making sure she understands things now - for both of their sake and for their relationship's sake.

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 10:59

You are correct in one way that I have shifted focus from the Op to the nutjobs that are intent on making him out to be the devil incarnate, it is very frustrating to see a poster who is trying to do the right thing be vilified by those who are so perfect Hmm

OP I really do hope you and your family can move forward and be happy and that you have at least taken something positive from your thread.

ExConstance · 19/08/2015 11:02

On the subject of more babies, when we thought we might be expecting another at a time that was very difficult for us DH said if we didn't have one we might regret that, if we did we knew that 8, 10, 15 years down the line there was no doubt s/he would bring us great happiness.

I still think, OP that you are not understanding the extent of the devastation this will bring to our marriage. If your wife doesn't leave it will mark your relationship forever. You seem to want to have your cake and eat it to me, this is big stuff.

Offred · 19/08/2015 11:04

It's more frustrating to be vilified by a poster calling you a nutjob when you have offered nothing but support and no criticism. I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve tbh.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 11:05

stan please... Just leave it. We have different views, but surely that is why people for ask for opinions... To get different ones... He's done the right thing by telling her the truth.

It's up to her now.