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She wants another baby. I can't.

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NumberTwelve · 17/08/2015 21:59

Not sure why I'm here tbh.

My wife and I, both mid thirties, have been married for a little over a year, together for nearly five, and have a daughter who is just over two years old.

From my previous marriage, I also have a son, who is 8. My boy was born brain damaged, and is non-communicative, can't walk very at all, and has a few other related illnesses. He's a wonderful boy, happy, fun loving, and affectionate. But clearly given his disabilities, looking after him is frequently challenging, and often heartbreaking. I have him for tea and take him home to put him to bed twice midweek, with at least one over night stay at the weekend, sometimes two. I'm very lucky to have such great access, and a good relationship with his mum.

My wife is set on another baby. Until now, my conveyed opinion has at best been "I'd be happy if we don't and happy if we do". Non-committal, and somewhat untruthful. Often I've said I don't want one, but it's soon been upgraded back to Non-committal to protect her feeling.

I don't want another baby, and told her so this evening. Because of her shifts, I'm often left with both kids on my own, and whilst I absolutely love it, it's very hard work, balancing their two very different needs emotionally, medically, and from a dependency perspective. I just couldn't cope with another one thrown into the mix. My son is only going to get bigger, heavier, more dependent on me, and I'll always be there for him. My little girl is the light of my life, and I love the time I'm able to spend with her. The precious time I have with both would obviously be diluted with another child. Allied to that, I frankly couldn't cope with the three of them on my own, which would happen quite frequently.

An additional barrier is financial. We plain old can't afford another baby. We have a nice life, decent income, but the last week of every month is always very tight. Granted, one might say we waste money early in the month, but I would say we enjoy a decent quality of life. The added financial burden would make the whole month like that last week. I feel we both work too hard and too long to go through that.

My wife very, very rarely has both my son and our daughter alone, and when she does its for no more than an hour. Despite my telling her, I don't think she truly realises how difficult my life can be with the two kids I've got. Rewarding, obviously - but very much at the limit of what I can cope with.

She's just driven off to be alone. I know that what I've just told her has broken her heart. I know that in many ways it's selfish. But it's not a subject that families can truly compromise on, is it? One party is forced to accept something that they don't want.

I've tried to want a third child, but I just can't. I'm so happy with how things are - difficulties notwithstanding - that I just can't actively want that to change.

It kills me that I'm doing this to her, and I fully expect to be the bad guy on here. I don't really know why I'm writing. Just a sounding board I guess.

Cam a woman ever recover from this? Will she leave me? Is not wanting a baby anymore selfish than wanting one?

Thanks for reading. Abuse away.

OP posts:
Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 09:35

Um, lots stan I don't have much of a relationship with my husbands ex now, other than to say hi when we run into each other, but that's because the kids are adults now.

They were 1 and 4 when I met DH and, yes, I met with DHs ex with and without DH. The kids were young and needed a high level of care and there should be a relationship between the adults providing care.

I think it must be very hard for a second wife to be totally excluded from helping but know that her DH is struggling with it (ok, agree, he hasn't said he is struggling, but he has said he can't cope with anymore)

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 09:35

Yes Inertia and what exactly do you want him to do about that now?? Turn back time? Jump in his Tardis and go back and do it differently?

You could argue that the wife chose to ignore the I am happy if we don't part. You could say that he was indicating then that he wasn't 100% on the idea. It wouldn't solve anything mind so I cannot see why posters keep going on about it. He has said he knows he should have been clearly, he has said he was hoping that he would want a child....in the end when pushed he had no option but to admit the truth and break his wife's heart.

Offred · 19/08/2015 09:36

No, Stan. He hasn't made it clear.

I also think the wife will be thinking "if you can't cope with all these things why did you choose them?" The bigger house necessitating her work pattern etc And be wondering if really he was setting up the family for "I can't" having known for the last year that he didn't want more. Which I suspect is what he, at least subconsciously, has done.

It's a very difficult situation. I can see why it would be tempting to hide behind practicalities and create barriers and give non-committal answers. None of that can be changed. Nor can the fact that in her mid thirties she has lost a year of fertility because he wasn't honest right away.

However, going forward the baby issue can only be solved by absolute unflinching honesty and for the OP facing up to the possibility that his new wife will want to end the relationship.

The family need to make changes as a whole in order to make their lives more sustainable too IMO, as a separate issue to the baby issue.

googoodolly · 19/08/2015 09:36

But he has made it clear!!! He has said no more children.

Yes, he did say that. TWO DAYS AGO. Before then, he was always noncommittal and he says in his OP that when he swayed towards saying "no more", he always went back to noncommittal. He knew his wife wanted more and didn't have the balls to say anything either way until two days ago.

That is what the problem is. If he'd been honest right from the beginning, it would be different, but he's known for months/years he didn't want more, but didn't think it was important to tell his wife that Hmm

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 09:37

The OP didn't say she was excluded from helping just that she has never looked after the 2 children the same way he has....stop making stuff up Iam

Offred · 19/08/2015 09:39

I'm sure that it being important to his wife is precisely why he has made the choices he has tbh!

The choices, whilst unwise, have been made now. He has flip flapped in the past. He needs to be very clear now IMO.

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 09:40

FFS THE OP CANNOT CHANGE WHAT HE HAS SAID IN THE PAST!!!

So why are you all still going on about it??
What do you want him to do exactly??
Give her a child to make up for him not being clear?

Please will one of you tell me what it is you want from the OP in regards to the past?

Inertia · 19/08/2015 09:40

She's also entitled to listen to his views without necessarily having to agree with or share his views.

Neither the OP nor his wife are right or wrong - there is no easy answer. But I think it's very harsh to expect his wife to quickly and easily come to terms with this major decision that the OP has unilaterally made and kept hidden from her until very recently, and it's not fair to deny her the opportunity to share a discussion with him just because he is secure in his decision. She hasn't had the chance to be part of the conversation.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 09:41

She has been with him since this child was 3 and has never spent more than an hour with the child.

That, imho, is totally excluded.

Op has said he spends 2 evenings a week and half of each weekend... Where is his wife?

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 09:42

if you can't cope with all these things why did you choose them?

Yes because he chose to have a disabled child WTF Confused

Christinayanglah · 19/08/2015 09:45

It's a nightmare of a situation

Are you prepared to lose the marriage over this?

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 09:46

That, imho, is totally excluded.

And you are blaming the OP for that?
As I said how do we know that the wife has said she doesn't want to care for DS. How do we know that the ex didn't give clearly boundaries as to who would be allowed to care for her disabled son? We don't but you automatically assume it is the OP that has excluded his wife?

His wife works shifts so on the evening she is at work so he has both, she works some weekends again so he has both and then on some of the days she is there at home so looks after DD allowing OP to care for DS.

merrymouse · 19/08/2015 09:46

I think the OPsaid his wife never cared for both children alone for more than an hour, not that she never spent more than an hour with his son.

Inertia · 19/08/2015 09:47

He can't change what he has said in the past. The point is, from his wife's perspective, she has only just been told that he categorically does not want more children. For his wife, this is a huge issue which is happening NOW. The OP needs to address the fact that his wife is suddenly facing up to the truth he has kept hidden from her, and work through it together. It's in the past for him - for her, it's very much in the present.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 09:49

There are two issues here. The baby issue.... It's done. He has to prioritise the children he has. This is, I think we all agree, a no brainer. If he goes along with another baby, it will impact his marriage and his relationships with all of his kids.

Then there is the relationship issue... He has to sit down and tell his current wife what is going on. I know, he has said, they don't like to think more than 1-2 years ahead, but I think he is going to have to try and be clear and say 'look, this is how I see my life going forward'.

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 09:51

He has addressed it!! Where hasn't he addressed it?

He has stated many times he has hurt her and she is now distant, he has asked for advice on how to help here and not give her anymore false hope. He has agreed counselling may well be an option. He has also acknowledge she may leave him.

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StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 09:54

but I think he is going to have to try and be clear and say 'look, this is how I see my life going forward'.

I don't want another baby, and told her so this evening.

This ^ is from his OP. How much clearer does he need to be?
He has explained his reasons, he has said the future care of his son will get harder, he has said that in the future with another child less time will be available for DD and the new baby. How is that not stating how his life will be in the future?

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 09:54

stan i am not blaming the op for anything.

I am simply stating that the op appears not to share care with his wife, which I find surprising given the age of the child and the duration of their relationship. That is all,

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 09:56

stan I think it needs to go further than that... He has said what he doesn't want...now I think he needs to say what he does want.

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 09:56

What are you on about amarmai?

Are you now blaming the OP for the hacking?

What would it matter if it was now? MNHQ have changed security and forced password changes. God you really are desperate aren't you Hmm

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 09:59

What do you assume he wants Iam?

From his posts what he wants is 2 children. What he wants is for his life to be easier, to not have a disabled son, to not worry about that phone call.
What he wants is for his wife to be happy but he cannot do that without compromising on his wants and needs and have another child.

Superexcited · 19/08/2015 10:00

She has been with him since this child was 3 and has never spent more than an hour with the child.

He said his wife had never spent more than one hour alone with both children, not that she hadn't spent more than an hour in the presence of his son. His wife is usually present for 2 out of the 4 weekly contact visits (or so it seems from what OP has written).

Inertia · 19/08/2015 10:03

This is still a very recent shock for his wife, so it's hardly surprising that she needs time to process it.

We can't help op make his wife come round to his point of view. But part of the conversation needs to be that, while OP has perfectly valid and understable reasons for not wanting more children, this position is actually news to his wife, and her point of view is one she thought he shared, at least to the point of being persuadable. She might well be worried that there are other issues that the OP has not been truthful about.

We can't help the OP, and it isn't helpful to suggest that there's a right/wrong or selfish / unselfish answer. He knows his wife, we don't. But he does need to accept that his wife's disappointment - both at the change to the family she hoped for and the fact that she's had the truth kept from her - is real and painful, and not diminished by the fact that op already does a very difficult parenting job.

Cherryblossomsinspring · 19/08/2015 10:10

I think if you are the one who is responsible for the bulk of the childcare, then you have every right to your opinion on this matter.

I do think you misled her. For me the only real problem you have with the additional child is managing it along with your (would be at least) 3 yr old and disabled son. From your ages, it sounds like it would need to be in the next few years. I think that to be fair to your wife, you should seriously consider trying for another baby when your daughter is 4. You will find she is so much more independent then, and you might be better able to manage a baby. I don't think the financial reason is a dealbreaker and I am certain that you would never feel your time or love for your other children was dilute by another, you would actually see that another brings so much to your existing children. I do think that another child would bring a lot of love and happiness to your wife, your daughter and your son. Also yourself but you just can't feel that right now understandably.

I personally (as this is a forum and I assume you came on to get advice and opinions) would say to her that you can't see how you could cope with another now, for all your above very valid reasons. But that you are willing to try for another in 2 years. Giving your daughter time to get more independent and in order to save a little financially for when the time comes. I would also ask her to try and make work changes that support her being home more to do more of the childcare (as it is her that wants more children) and also that in the meantime, she takes on more responsibility for your two existing children (ie. looking after them together for longer than an hour). This way she can better understand your reservations while also taking some of your huge responsibilities on her shoulders as a partner should.

Good luck, but I wouldn't close the door on this issue, I think you can't fully see the woods from the trees with how hard things are for you right now.