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She wants another baby. I can't.

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NumberTwelve · 17/08/2015 21:59

Not sure why I'm here tbh.

My wife and I, both mid thirties, have been married for a little over a year, together for nearly five, and have a daughter who is just over two years old.

From my previous marriage, I also have a son, who is 8. My boy was born brain damaged, and is non-communicative, can't walk very at all, and has a few other related illnesses. He's a wonderful boy, happy, fun loving, and affectionate. But clearly given his disabilities, looking after him is frequently challenging, and often heartbreaking. I have him for tea and take him home to put him to bed twice midweek, with at least one over night stay at the weekend, sometimes two. I'm very lucky to have such great access, and a good relationship with his mum.

My wife is set on another baby. Until now, my conveyed opinion has at best been "I'd be happy if we don't and happy if we do". Non-committal, and somewhat untruthful. Often I've said I don't want one, but it's soon been upgraded back to Non-committal to protect her feeling.

I don't want another baby, and told her so this evening. Because of her shifts, I'm often left with both kids on my own, and whilst I absolutely love it, it's very hard work, balancing their two very different needs emotionally, medically, and from a dependency perspective. I just couldn't cope with another one thrown into the mix. My son is only going to get bigger, heavier, more dependent on me, and I'll always be there for him. My little girl is the light of my life, and I love the time I'm able to spend with her. The precious time I have with both would obviously be diluted with another child. Allied to that, I frankly couldn't cope with the three of them on my own, which would happen quite frequently.

An additional barrier is financial. We plain old can't afford another baby. We have a nice life, decent income, but the last week of every month is always very tight. Granted, one might say we waste money early in the month, but I would say we enjoy a decent quality of life. The added financial burden would make the whole month like that last week. I feel we both work too hard and too long to go through that.

My wife very, very rarely has both my son and our daughter alone, and when she does its for no more than an hour. Despite my telling her, I don't think she truly realises how difficult my life can be with the two kids I've got. Rewarding, obviously - but very much at the limit of what I can cope with.

She's just driven off to be alone. I know that what I've just told her has broken her heart. I know that in many ways it's selfish. But it's not a subject that families can truly compromise on, is it? One party is forced to accept something that they don't want.

I've tried to want a third child, but I just can't. I'm so happy with how things are - difficulties notwithstanding - that I just can't actively want that to change.

It kills me that I'm doing this to her, and I fully expect to be the bad guy on here. I don't really know why I'm writing. Just a sounding board I guess.

Cam a woman ever recover from this? Will she leave me? Is not wanting a baby anymore selfish than wanting one?

Thanks for reading. Abuse away.

OP posts:
StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 11:05

I actually wasn't referring to you Off unless you think you are a nutjob?

Inertia · 19/08/2015 11:06

Glad to hear that you've managed to have a clear discussion, and that you've accepted your wife's explanation that it feels like a deception/lie to her, regardless of your own feelings or intentions.

You say yourself that this is the first time ever that you have been totally open and honest, so this is likely to have hit your wife quite hard.

However you move forward from here, it's vital that you continue to be totally honest with one another if you want to try to repair and continue with your marriage.

NumberTwelve · 19/08/2015 11:06

I fully understand it, ex. But it's not like I'm refusing to give up a hobby, or mow the lawn more. I'm saying that emotionally, physically and mentally I can't cope with another baby - even if there was a magic wand to wave at the finances and practicalities, I'm mentally and emotionally spent. If I've got a cake, it's made of nettles and I don't want to add barbed wire to it.

OP posts:
StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 11:07

I am not addressing you Iam you were asked to leave it many times yesterday but didn't so I don't really think you can offer the same advice to me Hmm

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 11:10

Oh good, I thought I was the nut job of choice stan ????

BathtimeFunkster · 19/08/2015 11:11

I should definitely have made my leanings clear, and I accept that's given her false hope (whilst privately acknowledging that she's only heard what she wants to hear, as I clearly didn't actively want a baby).

So whilst pretending to accept that you misled her, you basically think it's all her fault that she believed your lies.

Wow.

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 11:11

Bath was worse than you but yes some of your posts did fall into that category yesterday but have in fairness being much improved today which has made mine fall into the nutjob category Grin

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 11:11

Oh fuck me speak of the devil Hmm

NumberTwelve · 19/08/2015 11:14

Yes bath, that's exactly right.

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Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 11:18

I will admit, it hit a nerve with me... A lot of assumptions on my part Grin. I am happy that he has come clean and this will allow them to talk - properly- about going forward.

I'll be honest, I am glad he told her now. My DH actually waited until I was pregnant.

Hit a nerve... Sorry!

BathtimeFunkster · 19/08/2015 11:19

So despite everything you have been advised on this thread, you are still being dishonest.

You are pretending to her that you accept that you were wrong to untruthful, while in reality you think she should have divined your lack of enthusiasm, and you blame her for that.

"Privately acknowledging" to yourself feelings that you refuse to share with your wife is what got you here.

Why don't you tell her that you think she should have known you didn't want any more children?

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 11:22

My DH actually waited until I was pregnant.

Oh god Iam that must have been hard to deal with Shock

Bath if everyone agrees that you are 100% correct about everything will you then bugger off this thread?

NumberTwelve · 19/08/2015 11:25

Bath. Acknowledging that I was wrong to have not being firmer, whilst also acknowledging the clear fact that "I don't really want one, oh well I guess I could give or take it" isn't a glaring desire for a child, aren't mutually exclusive.

You've quite clearly been through some terrible things in your life, but that's not my fault. Your Olympic standard bellendery is neither constructive, helpful, or conducive to a very emotive dialogue. I'd really rather you didn't pick holes in one sentence out of every twenty, to suit your agenda, please.

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Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 11:27

Yes, it was stan... Horrible beyond anything. And, I do have a degree of sympathy with op. I only listened to the 'maybe we do', but if you see that happening, you do have to be truthful.

But, so many men do just let women believe what they want because it makes life easy for the man...

hellsbellsmelons · 19/08/2015 11:29

I think we should all ignore Bath from now on.

Well done OP having an honest discussion.
I really hope you can both have a happy relationship with things as they are.
Keep talking and keep listening.

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 11:30

Did you manage to come out the other side Iam?

Your Olympic standard bellendery fantastic description OP Grin

merrymouse · 19/08/2015 11:35

To be fair it makes life easier for everyone.

Being told clearly that your parter does not want more children when you do isn't a pleasant position for any one. Much easier in the short term to believe that they could change their mind.

Equally I think a minority of people know 100% that they definitely want 0/1/2/3 children. It's more common to come to a gradual decision based on changing circumstances.

BathtimeFunkster · 19/08/2015 11:43

Bath. Acknowledging that I was wrong to have not being firmer, whilst also acknowledging the clear fact that "I don't really want one, oh well I guess I could give or take it" isn't a glaring desire for a child, aren't mutually exclusive.

Quite so.

But only "privately acknowledging" what you consider to be a clear fact, rather than talking about it openly, is mutually exclusive with the type of honesty you need here.

Openly accepting one interpretation of events, that you were duplicitous, while really thinking that your duplicity was justified and should have been seen through, is not honest.

If you think she should have known all along that you didn't really want a baby, then tell her that.

Someone, a long way back, made a pretty strong argument that your belated honesty should have triggered a realisation in your wife of the fact that you had never wanted another baby, and that she should have seen that.

If that's what you think, then tell her. Let her decide whether there is any truth in that, and respond accordingly.

If you are going to move this forward, there's no point in any more lies.

Maybe it's unfair of you to blame her for not knowing. Probably there's some truth in it.

But you can't move forward together if you are still holding out on her.

As for picking out individual sentences - it's a pretty telling clause I picked. The one that indicates that you are saying one thing to your wife and another to the Internet.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 11:44

We did, thankyou stan - we now have two children and, before I'd even got home with our younger child, my DH had EXPLICITLY said he didn't want more children.

I'm largely OK with it now (though, as you saw yesterday, I'm still sensitive about it!!! ) but I don't think I'll ever 100% say it was right decision and I remember with absolute clarity the moment I was sure would turn the 'maybe / maybe not' into a YES.. and then watched as it crystalised into a 'NO'.

thankfully, this happened as the wife was oly thinking about TTC, but I will admit, it angered me that he'd let it even go that far. When it comes to babies, women can be a little hormonal.. so if you are sure you don't want one, best say that the minute it pops into your mind!!!

My DH was clear that he didn't want children - it was on that basis I stayed. When he changed his mind, I was amazed and very thankful... but he never really wanted our second and was totally clear that there would be no more after that.

Thanks stan - I guess sometimes we (I!) do project a bit too much.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 11:46

I guess that's why I was so angry about the 'her want / his need' - that's what happened to me. I was VERY angry that my Dh's need trumped mine.

Yes, I could have gone it alone, sued him for CM... but fundamentally, a child does need two loving parents.

Waltermittythesequel · 19/08/2015 11:48

Your Olympic standard bellendery is neither constructive, helpful, or conducive to a very emotive dialogue

For the win!

Wewereneverbeingboring · 19/08/2015 11:48

Personally if I wanted a child and I was aware my DH knew I did, then I would have seen "happy if we don't, happy if we do" as being a prelude to thinking "well he might not be pushing for it but if he's 'happy' with either outcome then the decision rests with me ".

Whose idea was the bigger house? Did you need a bigger house anyway or might DW have seen this as preparation for a 3rd DC?

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 11:48

I do still agree with Bath though... While my situation was both extreme and traumatic, it did mean that my DH is absolutely truthful as to where he is at emotionally.

I am not quite sure you are there yet no12 and you do need to be. Because even if she gets over this, she won't forget it and if you do something similar again (say one thing / mean something quite different) it will bite you.

StanSmithsChin · 19/08/2015 11:49

I guess sometimes we (I!) do project a bit too much.

We are all guilty of it at some point or another me included.

I didn't want a 3rd but ended up pregnant due to failed contraception. Dh was of course over the moon at the prospect of child number 5 ( for him 3 for me) however he did freak out when the 3rd pregnancy resulted in 2 children Grin
Took me the whole 9 months to get with it and accept it. Wouldn't change a thing now but in all honesty it wasn't what I wanted back then.

Iamatotalandutteridiot · 19/08/2015 11:49

Exactly wewerenever - exactly! ESPECIALLY when it involves a woman wanting a baby!!!