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At an impasse over finances and how to move forward

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Fraughtfinances · 10/08/2015 10:23

Name changed for privacy. Trying not to drip feed and apologies if this is long.

Background: DP and I have been together 18 months. I have a teenage DD whose father is not involved and does not contribute financially at all (never has). DP has no children.

DP owns his own house (not outright - there's another 15 years on the mortgage). I own my house (23 years left on mortgage). I have slightly more equity in my place that he does.

DP moved in to my place earlier this year. He rented his place out and currently has tenants living there. His place essentially pays for itself (technically it makes a profit as DP will have a small tax bill to pay on it each year). The idea is to think about having a baby next year.

Prior to moving into mine, we had some work done on my house. This comprised structural work and a new kitchen. The work had been on the cards for later in the year, but DP is a keen cook and loathed existing kitchen, so paid for the work which ran to more than envisaged (c. £25k rather than the original estimate of £15k). My plan had been to remortgage later in the year and use the money to do the kitchen then. As it is, I'm in the process of re-mortgaging in order to pay DP back the £25k.

Foolishly, we didn't sit down and thrash out how financials would work between us when DP moved in. I'd previously had lodgers in the spare room to help with living costs. When DP moved in, we agreed no more lodgers as it would make the place feel cramped. I'd assumed, wrongly, that when DP moved in, we'd split the household bills 50:50.

In terms of overall financials, I earn £52k and DP earns around £85k. I have no savings and a small amount of debt (around £3000 on credit card). DP has significant savings, shares and no debt. My monthly outgoings (in direct debits/standing orders alone) are around £2500 (not including food or petrol). A significant amount (around £600 per month) goes on school fees (although DD has an assisted place). I have very little disposable income.

DP's outgoings are only what he contributes towards the household which is currently £475 per month plus some money towards food (which is still not agreed). DP wants to split the food bill three ways as doesn't feel he should contribute towards the food costs of DD. He doesn't contribute towards the mortgage as feels that if he did, he would want a share of the property. I don't want to put him on deeds, as he already has a property which is being paid for by his tenants.

We've been arguing over this for the past few months and still have no resolution. I feel that he is profiting from the relationship (essentially he can save in excess of £4k per month, whereas I have about £100 per month disposable income and no hope of saving). I have lost my claim to child benefit since he moved in (although it would have been reduced partially owing to my salary). He feels I want to use him to subsidise my lifestyle and use him as a gravy train. He also feels I am emotionally blackmailing him by saying how it upsets me that he won't contribute towards DD's food costs.

I would really like some recognition that we're living as a family and that we share some of the burden (and I have no expectation that DP should pay towards things like school fees, school uniform or anything like that). Even if it was a gesture along the lines that DP would pay for meals out (if we go out for dinner or to the cinema) or holidays. Instead, I feel criticised for the choices I've made and the lifestyle I've lead. DP is fundamentally a saver; I am not. I accept that. I accept too, that I've put things on a credit card and paid if off later, rather than saved for it beforehand. I have an excellent credit score (have never defaulted on anything) but do have a lot of stress about finances and lack of money. DP has never once worried about money.

We spent all of yesterday arguing - the issue continues to crop up again and again when I am down to my last few pounds and worrying how to economise before payday, and DP is angry that I'm in the situation. At the moment, I have around £300 to cover food/petrol/going out/school uniform until the end of the month.

I was awake for hours in the night, as was DP, just getting more and more upset and stressed. I feel utterly drained. I don't know how to resolve this. My friends think DP is being unreasonable. His friends think I'm selfish and grasping. I'm trying to arrange to see a counsellor so that we can talk things through in a neutral environment. I just can't see how we move forward without one resenting the other. Nor do I know how on earth we'd manage finances if we have a baby.

Any comments or suggestions most welcome.

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Fraughtfinances · 10/08/2015 11:18

I feel bad for writing this thread, as DP would be devastated if he read it. He can be very kind. He is great with DD. He does all the cooking. He does his share of housework. He gets on with my family. There just seems to be this total block over money. My attitude towards it scares him. It's his view that I would have to have managed if I hadn't met him, so why should I rely on him financially in any way now that I have met him. He says, time and again, that he refuses to "subsidise" me.

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MadMum2015 · 10/08/2015 11:19

He sounds vile. Tight and with no reason to be so. Sensible with money is admirable but he is grabby and cynical.

Sallyhasleftthebuilding · 10/08/2015 11:19

The cost of his morgage and bills prior to living with you, should come to you. That simple. His living coats havent gone down. Your costs have gone up. How much are you losing?

BalloonSlayer · 10/08/2015 11:19

Don't put him on the deeds!

I'd recommend you suggesting to him he moves out. ]

How about: "This isn't working for me. Having you living here is costing me money as I can no longer rent out the spare room and have lost my CB. I can't manage financially any more. Sorry but there it is. I will pay you back the kitchen money when I re-mortgage."

firebladeklover · 10/08/2015 11:20

he doesn't get it at all!

he compares living with you and your daughter like a family (and there are discussions to bring a baby in to the blended family) to living in shared accommodation!?

He wants to be compensated financially for living in ''shared accommodation'' because, what, it's a compromise and he'd prefer to be alone!?

You don't need to give this guy a justification that he will ACCEPT.

I would just ring fence your own interests and tell him that it isn't working.

He reminds me of my x.

WaltzingWithHeiferlumps · 10/08/2015 11:21

You managed by having lodgers and child benefit and not having to pay out for a new kitchen FFS! He sounds very very selfish despite your defending of him.

Fraughtfinances · 10/08/2015 11:21

His attitude is that he is akin to a lodger financially. He pays £475 per month. Lodger used to pay £380 per month. Obviously, though, the house is now renovated to a higher standard and prices have gone up in the last year. So a lodger might well pay around £425 for the room. In that sense, DP is paying more than the going rate.

It's everything else that's the issue. Who pays when we go for weekends out to see his friends or family? Who pays for petrol? Who pays for plants for the garden? Who pays for meals out as a family? Who pays for holidays?

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Sallyhasleftthebuilding · 10/08/2015 11:21

But you are subsidising him. Tell him, pay up or move out, its a deal breaker.

MarchLikeAnAnt · 10/08/2015 11:21

What advice would you give to your DD if she ends up in the same situation in 10 years time?

BTW, I wouldn't pay him back a penny for the kitchen - why should you?

Scarydinosaurs · 10/08/2015 11:22

did you suggest moving into his and you renting out your home? I imagine you could make a real dent into your debt if you did, and you wouldn't have to cover all the big costs like kitchen refurbs etc

He is completely taking advantage of you, and at the same time making you feel as if you are taking advantage of him.

Fraughtfinances · 10/08/2015 11:23

I lose around £60 per month child benefit.

When I remortgage, my payments will increase by £90 per month.

I have additional outgoings that are part and parcel of being in a relationship (going out for dinner more, going out for drinks, date night).

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Twinklestein · 10/08/2015 11:23

Sometimes the truth hurts OP, you're worried how hurt he would be to read this, how worried is he about how he is impacting you financially, and how hurt dd would be if she knew his attitude towards paying for anything for her?

waitaminutenow · 10/08/2015 11:23

RUN...remortgage pay the man back (and your 3k cc) and R.U.N... This is not a healthy relationship. Stop running into the red flags and turn the other way!!

Fraughtfinances · 10/08/2015 11:23

He would, I'm sure, happily move back to his house with us. He misses his house. He misses his way of life. Part of me wonders why the hell he moved in if he wants solitude so badly.

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achieve6 · 10/08/2015 11:24

You say he paid for the kitchen but he didn’t – you are paying for it! I’m a bit baffled why actually.

Also, he talks about sacrificing space as if he doesn’t want to live with you.

I understand keeping finances separate but in that case he’s got some nerve asking to go on your mortgage deeds – separate means separate, he just has to pay you rent if he wants separate finances.

This sounds awful from start to finish. In fact it sounds like he is scamming you financially.

And why on earth would you think about having a baby with him? He doesn’t see this as a family – he won’t even pay towards your child’s food.

Separate finances only work up to a point – and I say this as someone who really favours them (mostly so I don’t get scammed).

Sorry, you want to finish this relationship.

firebladeklover · 10/08/2015 11:26

Berthatydfil comes up with a good comparison. You swap over!

So, you rent out your house but you keep the income, you all move in to his house but you don't contribute to his mortage.

There's no way he'd agree to that but yet, he has you not only agreeing to it but feeling indebted to him.

It is all complicated, I get that, but he grudges your dd food. That'd be it for me. I'd bail. That'd put me off my food, eating around the table with a man who grudged my daughter the meal she was eating.

Sallyhasleftthebuilding · 10/08/2015 11:26

I would be deducting the lost childcare from the £25k, If he was paying £700 morgage plus £500 bills, hes so much better off and your down. Put him in the spare room, stop cooking/shopping for him, and charge him for sex.

suzanneyeswecan · 10/08/2015 11:27

he seems to view your arrangement as a business rather than an emotional involvement

Twinklestein · 10/08/2015 11:27

In that case it will work for both of you that he moves back into his old house. He can be as tight as he likes there, and not be costing you.

MarchLikeAnAnt · 10/08/2015 11:27

I will get flamed for this but : He doesn't love you. Can you see that?

Fraughtfinances · 10/08/2015 11:28

I know it's odd, but he would willingly move back to his to enable me to save money and clear debt. He suggests ways that I can spend less. He is keen for me to have a budget and stick to it. He is keen to meal plan. His behaviour all stems from his terror of me dragging him into debt.

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TheMightyMing · 10/08/2015 11:29

Ugh. A man that would quibble about feeding a kid and is worried about being had over. I would not even share breathing space, let alone contemplate having a baby with him.
You earn a good salary, I would turf him out and find someone who wants to be a proper family. You will be better off on your own.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/08/2015 11:29

I think your so called DP would be annoyed if he read this because he would not want you to write about him at all. He would not want his actions scrutinised because he feels he is above reproach. He is miserly with money and love.

Are you a rescuer or saviour when it comes to relationships?. What do you get out of this relationship exactly?. What (co-dependent) needs of yours is he meeting here?.

I would be asking you why you are making excuses for him as well as showing your DD a very poor example of a relationship. Is this really what you want to teach her about relationships?. You chose poorly but you do not have to compound this error of judgment by at all staying with him now or even worse having a child by him. Talk about making a rod for your own back.

iamanintrovert · 10/08/2015 11:31

His behaviour is a huge red flag. What is the £475 /month technically for? And how did you both arrive at that figure?

CerealEater · 10/08/2015 11:32

I think 50/50 on the utility bills but can see his point on your mortgage. If you split he's entitled to no equity from the home despite paying towards it. If you had moved in with him, I'd expect you not to have to pay his mortgage unless it was agreed you were on the deeds and entitled to a share. It's very different to renting as renting as a couple means dead money to you both, one doesn't get to keep the house at the end.

Arguing over the food bill seems petty though. He obviously does not see himself as a step father to your daughter.

It's all far too rushed, eighteen months is way to soon to be moving in together and having a child, especially when there are other children to think about. What happens if you split and there's another child that needs food, clothes, private school and childcare yet you barely have enough for a trip to the cinema over at the moment.