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At an impasse over finances and how to move forward

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Fraughtfinances · 10/08/2015 10:23

Name changed for privacy. Trying not to drip feed and apologies if this is long.

Background: DP and I have been together 18 months. I have a teenage DD whose father is not involved and does not contribute financially at all (never has). DP has no children.

DP owns his own house (not outright - there's another 15 years on the mortgage). I own my house (23 years left on mortgage). I have slightly more equity in my place that he does.

DP moved in to my place earlier this year. He rented his place out and currently has tenants living there. His place essentially pays for itself (technically it makes a profit as DP will have a small tax bill to pay on it each year). The idea is to think about having a baby next year.

Prior to moving into mine, we had some work done on my house. This comprised structural work and a new kitchen. The work had been on the cards for later in the year, but DP is a keen cook and loathed existing kitchen, so paid for the work which ran to more than envisaged (c. £25k rather than the original estimate of £15k). My plan had been to remortgage later in the year and use the money to do the kitchen then. As it is, I'm in the process of re-mortgaging in order to pay DP back the £25k.

Foolishly, we didn't sit down and thrash out how financials would work between us when DP moved in. I'd previously had lodgers in the spare room to help with living costs. When DP moved in, we agreed no more lodgers as it would make the place feel cramped. I'd assumed, wrongly, that when DP moved in, we'd split the household bills 50:50.

In terms of overall financials, I earn £52k and DP earns around £85k. I have no savings and a small amount of debt (around £3000 on credit card). DP has significant savings, shares and no debt. My monthly outgoings (in direct debits/standing orders alone) are around £2500 (not including food or petrol). A significant amount (around £600 per month) goes on school fees (although DD has an assisted place). I have very little disposable income.

DP's outgoings are only what he contributes towards the household which is currently £475 per month plus some money towards food (which is still not agreed). DP wants to split the food bill three ways as doesn't feel he should contribute towards the food costs of DD. He doesn't contribute towards the mortgage as feels that if he did, he would want a share of the property. I don't want to put him on deeds, as he already has a property which is being paid for by his tenants.

We've been arguing over this for the past few months and still have no resolution. I feel that he is profiting from the relationship (essentially he can save in excess of £4k per month, whereas I have about £100 per month disposable income and no hope of saving). I have lost my claim to child benefit since he moved in (although it would have been reduced partially owing to my salary). He feels I want to use him to subsidise my lifestyle and use him as a gravy train. He also feels I am emotionally blackmailing him by saying how it upsets me that he won't contribute towards DD's food costs.

I would really like some recognition that we're living as a family and that we share some of the burden (and I have no expectation that DP should pay towards things like school fees, school uniform or anything like that). Even if it was a gesture along the lines that DP would pay for meals out (if we go out for dinner or to the cinema) or holidays. Instead, I feel criticised for the choices I've made and the lifestyle I've lead. DP is fundamentally a saver; I am not. I accept that. I accept too, that I've put things on a credit card and paid if off later, rather than saved for it beforehand. I have an excellent credit score (have never defaulted on anything) but do have a lot of stress about finances and lack of money. DP has never once worried about money.

We spent all of yesterday arguing - the issue continues to crop up again and again when I am down to my last few pounds and worrying how to economise before payday, and DP is angry that I'm in the situation. At the moment, I have around £300 to cover food/petrol/going out/school uniform until the end of the month.

I was awake for hours in the night, as was DP, just getting more and more upset and stressed. I feel utterly drained. I don't know how to resolve this. My friends think DP is being unreasonable. His friends think I'm selfish and grasping. I'm trying to arrange to see a counsellor so that we can talk things through in a neutral environment. I just can't see how we move forward without one resenting the other. Nor do I know how on earth we'd manage finances if we have a baby.

Any comments or suggestions most welcome.

OP posts:
springydaffs · 16/08/2015 09:41

That was an unnecessarily snippy post - not in the spirit of Relationships, either - re op 'not coming back'. We don't all live and die on here btw.

Sorry to hear you're going through it with your mum, op. Difficult times Flowers

I'm also chastened by my comment that we don't understand. You're not a waily sort. But you are an extremely kind sort, excessively reasonable. The trouble is, not everyone is like you. I really don't think your partner is like you.

While he may have an unconscious issue with money - if I want to put a kind spin on it - there's no question you're coming off badly bcs of it; and that he refuses to acknowledge that, despite the very obvious impact on you and your life., clearly spelled out in b&w on paper.

Imo people like this need boundaries. He has run all over you and your ringing your hands wanting him to 'understand'. He not going to understand; has, imo, no intention of understanding. This is how he wants it and he's not budging.

You either have to set some necessarily rigid boundaries (bcs he is not flexible), no discussion; or you have to accept he has steamrollered you and will continue to do so.

That said, I wouldn't be able to get past how extremely well he gets on with dd. Something isn't right or appropriate about a grown man getting on extremely well with a15yo girl (13/14 when he meet her) who isn't her father.

YonicScrewdriver · 16/08/2015 10:22

It's possible that too much ha been read into that "extremely" - remember that was op's response to posters questioning how well they got on.

TendonQueen · 16/08/2015 10:47

It's unfair and unhealthy that men are assumed to be up to no good if they like spending time with kids or young people, and it wouldn't be said of a female partner, so I personally think that kind of insinuation should be left alone. There's no evidence they have an appropriate relationship. Also, let's not moan at OP for not leaving her partner within five minutes on demand.

springydaffs · 16/08/2015 11:36

Indeed, I faced a situation where an adult woman was 'extremely' close to my children (male and female). They were not healthy relationships it turned out, as much as I dithered at the outset, reasoning there was nothing necessarily wrong with it, I shouldn't be suspicious. I wish I had gone with my instincts Sad

No, it is not appropriate or healthy for an adult, of either sex, to be 'extremely' close to a teenager imo. I learnt that the hard way. An extremely close relationship in that setting is for the benefit of the adult, meeting a need in that adult, whatever that need may be.

ARV1981 · 16/08/2015 11:42

What does the OP want to read here?

That everything will be ok? That he's a prize catch of a man? That it's perfectly normal to live like this? That her DD is LUCKY to have this man as a potential stepfather? That a new baby would be the glue to bind their love together?

Sure I'll say that. It's all true OP. Now stop worrying about the money and get back in your box. Stop thinking if you can, it's best if little wimmin don't think, it's too much for their tiny feminine brains. You don't understand complicated things like finances so leave it to the capable men, who will look after you so you don't need to think about it anymore.

I am sorry that your mother is needing to go into care. I am sorry that you're in this predicament with this man. But really, you're not helping yourself. Life is there for living, so live yours the way you feel best - if that's to hand over your autonomy to another human being then that really is your business.

But remember: you are capable with money. You have brought up your DD really well, without help from her father. You have and do support your mother. You sound like a great person. I just think it's a shame that you're going to lose everything for someone who treats you as badly as your partner does. I do genuinely wish you well. Does he?

YonicScrewdriver · 16/08/2015 12:12

I agree TendonQueen.

Yes, it might be an issue and I am sad for posters who have had such issues. But it's a fairly low likelihood and people shouldn't post as if it's virtually certain.

lazycoo · 16/08/2015 18:32

springydaffs you're right, it was unnecessarily snippy of me. OP I've reread what I said and I didn't mean it the way it sounded at all. I should have taken more care sorry. I was just so taken with the fab advice that I hoped you would see it. Sorry you are having a hard time with your mum.

Weebirdie · 16/08/2015 18:42

My (step) dad came into my life as my mums toy boy when I was 14 and he was 22. My mother was 32.

43 years later, and with my mum long dead, he is the only father I ever wanted or needed. He's also the only grandfather and great grandfather my lot have ever wanted or needed.

Im going through a really rough time today and after sending him an email yesterday he was on the phone to me today as soon as his cheap rate calls kicked in Grin. I sat in the hairdresser under the stairs in a quiet place with my hair full of foils while he talked me through a heartbreak.

There was nothing untoward about him from day one.

And Springy am I right in saying that the person you're referring to is your husbands OW/Wife who went on to alienate your children from you? And if so is it possible that your view in this instance is somewhat skewed?

Weebirdie · 16/08/2015 18:43

thats should have been an ongoing heartbreak - not a heartbreak today.

springydaffs · 16/08/2015 22:26

Yes it was (tho not OW but exH"s subsequent wife - I had left the marriage) and no she didn't alienate me from my children. Her relationship with them was too close and, not having been in this position before, I tried to be reasonable and made endless excuses for her. Turns out my instinct was right and that the relationships were unhealthy, largely bcs she used them to meet a need in herself. The children and their emotional well-being were not her priority.

Rather bad form to bring up my personal details tho weebirdie. I had not volunteered them in my original account as they are not relevant to what I had to say. I have worked with countless teenagers, including as a host to homeless young people and, regardless how well we may 'click', it is important to keep a healthy distance. If op had said they got on wwll, or even very well, I would not have been particularly concerned. However, op reported they get on extremely well - and op is not a dramatic poster - and this concerned me. From what op reports, her partner has considerable difficulties recognising appropriate boundaries. Teenagers are ime extremely emotionally vulnerable: it is v v important to keep a (loving, if appropriate) distance.

Weebirdie · 16/08/2015 22:44

Rather bad form to bring up my personal details tho weebirdie

Im sorry you think so, and all the moreso when you're well aware of how pleased I am when I see you posting.

You've said enough in the past about that stage of your life for it to be in the forefront of a persons mind when you post on certain things. And I was certain you had once said - that your relationship was damaged with them to the extent that it was only now in adulthood that things were staring to get back on track.

I thought it was relevant to the point you were trying to make which was the OP should be suspicious of her partner getting on extremely well with her daughter. Just why would that be suspicious unless you'd had a bad experience with a new partner and your children?

Its very much possible for people to come into a young persons life and be nothing but a good influence just as my dad was.

springydaffs · 16/08/2015 22:46

I also have a close friend whose good friend (or so she thought) got on 'extremely' well with my friend's 14yo son. Turns out the woman, in her 40s, had 'an affair' with my friend's boy. Ie sexually abused him, as he was a minor. Stories of eg female teachers doing the same are not unheard of, though relatively rare.

I repeat that teenagers are extremely susceptible and boundaries can v v easily blur.

Weebirdie · 16/08/2015 22:48

And just in case you forgot what you'd written - it was you who brought your children into the discussion. Not me.

*Indeed, I faced a situation where an adult woman was 'extremely' close to my children (male and female). They were not healthy relationships it turned out, as much as I dithered at the outset, reasoning there was nothing necessarily wrong with it, I shouldn't be suspicious. I wish I had gone with my instincts sad

No, it is not appropriate or healthy for an adult, of either sex, to be 'extremely' close to a teenager imo. I learnt that the hard way. An extremely close relationship in that setting is for the benefit of the adult, meeting a need in that adult, whatever that need may be.*

springydaffs · 16/08/2015 22:52

I have not posted about that for some time - over a year? Two? It is irrelevant to me that you are pleased to see me posting: please don't divulge my personal information on a public forum; particularly as it is not relevant to what I had to say eg my concern about ex's wife was not driven by jealousy but alarm at the way she conducted relationships with my children.

Weebirdie · 16/08/2015 23:06

I have not posted about that for some time - over a year

Im sure we all remember things that people post.

It is irrelevant to me that you are pleased to see me posting

As is your perogative.

please don't divulge my personal information on a public forum

Perhaps you should practice what you preach.

particularly as it is not relevant to what I had to say eg my concern about ex's wife was not driven by jealousy but alarm at the way she conducted relationships with my children.

It is relevant because you were trying to get people to be suspicious of someone joining a family and getting along with the child extremely well.

Jealousy

You brought it up - not me.

There's an awful lot of projection in your previous post and it did the OP a dis-service because its entirely feasible for a person to join a family and get along with the children extremely well and for it to be nothing but innocent and the start of a lifetime of happiness.

springydaffs · 16/08/2015 23:33

Good for you that it worked weebirdie - though your boundaries appear to be seriously out of whack. Please stop posting my personal details.

Back to the op: it is always good to be safe - always safe - rather than sorry: there are too many incidents of relationships of this nature becoming what we all dread. They may be in a minority, thankfully, but it's sensible to always be vigilant as a given.

Your partner has shown very poor boundaries around you. It wouldn't be a stretch that his boundaries could be poor around your susceptible 15yo daughter. Please check.

Weebirdie · 16/08/2015 23:59

Please stop posting my personal details.

Once again Springy - it was you brought your children into the conversation.

Im actually very sorry it has come to this with you. Someone I have admired as a poster for quite some time as you well know. And Im even sorrier it has come to me disagreeing with a woman who right now deserves some consideration when it comes to what she posts.

I wish you well

suzannefollowmyvan · 17/08/2015 00:17

wtf you've turned the thread into a punch and judy show

springydaffs · 17/08/2015 00:18

Back to the op.

MagalyMaman · 17/08/2015 12:46

Blimey! Weebirdier, Just because your (merely 8 years older than you) step father is a good man, that does not mean that caution is not prudent generally. No bad can come of being cautious in my opinion. You are now and adult and can say, looking back that your step father didn't harm you and was good to you.

But the OP's dauughter's teenage years are still ahead of her so nobody can say with certainty whether caution is required, or not, but it certainly can't harm her to have eyes and ears open and to be cautious.

I would also err on the side of not wanting to be too close to a young teenager. I'm not projecting. I have no step father myself, my children don't have a step mother. I have not married again.

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