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to think this is inappropriate of DH to watch

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BluebellBlues · 09/04/2015 08:44

N/C for obvious reasons.

DH and I have a good marriage, very happy, no issues to speak of really. we have 3DC under 5. Since having the DC my sex drive has dropped and never come back to what it was pre-DC - I'm just so tired all the time, find it hard to stop being 'mummy' and become 'sexy wife' as soon as the DC are asleep, plus I'm not happy with my figure since the DC - the usual reasons I guess!

I know that my DH uses/watches porn, I made my peace with that once I realised that a) I couldn't face sex as often as he would want and b) although I don't use porn imagery myself I have a couple of semi-erotic (to me rather than to the general population I guess) novels that I enjoy and my imagination fills in the rest. so I got over the fact DH uses porn and just try not to think about it. I dont think DH knows that I know, as he clears the internet search histories.

on to the issue. I have discovered this morning that he has been looking at DVDs and websites who focus on 'barely legal' looking girls and had 'checkout baskets' with DVDs called 'But he's my father'. the 'barely legal' is a bit off to me but the girls are clearly late teens/early twenties playing the part so I think I could get over that. it's the 'father/daughter' ones that have made me feel a bit ill - we have a DD who is 3.

to be clear the DVDs are very clearly adult women with older looking men, there is NOTHING in anyway that I've found that goes near any form of children/childs images. but it makes me feel very uncomfortable.

basically AIBU to think this is innapropriate, especially considering we have a DD? Would you think this is an indication of a deeper issue or just another fantasy thing that doesn't relate to the real world at all and DH probably doesn't even see the connection?

I know I'm going to have to talk to DH but I dont know where to start!

OP posts:
wickedlazy · 09/04/2015 21:33

And I asked dp once, and he doesn't watch porn now, but when he did when he was a teen, he would build some fantasy, or have one in his head already. Like "oooh that woman with the big tits is my neighbour, rubbing them in my face". But that could just be him. And a lot of men watch porn with the sound off in case dp, kids, parents over hear (unless they're home alone or live alone).

Fearless91 · 09/04/2015 21:35

I still don't see why people are accusing him of being dirty/perverted.

Chances are he watched that porn because he finds a young woman getting it on with someone his own age quite hot. Probably had nothing to do with incest!

Some of the porn I watch is tagged a certain way, but that's not why I watch it. I do so because the porn itself turns me on.

Expecting your husband to not watch porn that involves 18 year old women simply because one day his child will be the same age is in my opinion quite bizarre.

As someone else said, the most searched top 5 subjects on porn sites is "schoolgirl". But that doesn't mean all those men that search it wanna sleep with schoolgirls.

Like I said if it was a 20 year old guy looking at this exact same porn the OP probably wouldn't be thinking anything of it.

He's watching 100% legal porn with legal actors who have consented.

ImperialBlether · 09/04/2015 21:39

Fearless, did you see the name of the video the OP is talking about: 'But he's my father'?

AuntieDee · 09/04/2015 21:39

It's not that it is 'barely legal' or 'schoolgirls' it's that it is incest that he is looking at - it's sick!

wickedlazy · 09/04/2015 21:44

Oh and if the omg's etc were at me saying some "incest" porn can be quite... "tender".

I once had a few friends who were part of a group on facebook, that trawled through it and searched for child porn to report and have it deleted. Facebook has hundreds of groups that contain thousands of child porn images. It is truly disgusting and the scope horrifying. They also reported images and groups to the police and interpol. Friends explained once that fake or role played incest porn tries to portray incest as a tender loving thing, with eager participants (the incest fetishists "ideal"). But that real, unfaked incest porn is often brutal and aggressive, and the girls and woman obviously forced against their will.

wickedlazy · 09/04/2015 21:45

Yes but imperial surely the main question is did the op's husband see that the video was called "but he's my father".

jd56 · 09/04/2015 21:59

I have not been on Mumsnet long, but I'm begining to think there are some right nut jobs on this site, and it's not the OP or her husband!

ImperialBlether · 09/04/2015 22:05

wickedlazy I would imagine that MOST people who put DVDs in their shopping baskets SEE what they are putting in, ffs!

GoldenBoots · 09/04/2015 22:06

Wicked- that is a seriously messed up 'test'

PuffinsAreFictitious · 09/04/2015 22:13

Op, I really hope that you and your DH can work on this and move on from it.

Incest porn might well "just be a fantasy" however, it's a fantasy about something which is not just taboo, but also illegal. Yes, some might argue that the actors in the films are consenting however, those people have an odd concept of consent imo but the fact is that a youngish father actively seeking out and seriously thinking of buying it is weird.

To the people who have called women who have far more experience of the reality of the fantasy 'nut-jobs' and hysterical, well done you! The man who cried tears of mirth at those women. Nice. Hmm

wickedlazy · 09/04/2015 22:14

Have you never accidently put something in your shopping basket by accident on say, amazon? Clicking add to cart instead of something else? I've done it when distracted by something (usually ds shouting "mummy!"). It depends where on the page the add to cart option is, how easy it is to do. And I imagine having a throbbing cock in hand would be a distraction. He probably hasn't even realised he's added them to the cart. Just saying. Op I hope your talk with him gives you some answers. If he does admit to liking incest vids, or you can tell he's lying, I would consider asking him to leave.

wickedlazy · 09/04/2015 22:18

It's a messed up test, but would give the op an idea of how he really feels about it, while he has his guard down. Not saying to ask in mid sex, I meant give him a snog, bit of a conoodle to get him in the mood. First thing that popped into my head, sorry. Have I maybe read about someone doing something similar and recalled it? (Wracks brain).

wickedlazy · 09/04/2015 22:22

Did I read somewhere on this thread that there was another thread where a lot of mners admited to liking calling their dp's and dh's "daddy" during sex? Confused As in it's a regular, (non make or break a relationship type test) thing? Or did I imagine that?

ImperialBlether · 09/04/2015 22:46

That was me, wickedlazy. The thread is here.

Meowth said: "when im drunk i call DP daddy."

LosingTheWillToSkate said: "I love a bit of daddy role play"

wickedlazy · 10/04/2015 02:26

Imperial, I'm almost afraid to read that thread. Going to have a quick nosey, as I can't sleep. Hoping it's mostly amusing innocent foot and latex gear fetishes, etc. And the daddy comments were posters messing about (not funny of course).

BluebellBlues · 10/04/2015 08:44

Morning all, get a Brew here's your update:

DH and I talked for hours last night and I feel we have got to a very positive place.

It turns out DH is not and has not purchased any DVDs, rather he enjoys looking at the DVD covers, particularly the back covers where there are screenshots from the film. He has shown me his email account and his bank account and there are no emails or transactions that aren't legit, when I asked to see them he gave me the passwords with no hesitation whatsoever. He was using the shopping basket as a way of creating a 'playlist' of DVD cover images that he liked to go back to.

I asked him if I would find any DVDs or mags in the house and he straightaway admitted to the ones I had found that day, no hesitation.

we talked about the incest nature of the DVDs he had selected for his 'playlist' and he says it had never even crossed his mind, he wasn't looking at the words or the story (and as he isn't watching them, just looking at the pictures he's not watching the storyline play out) its just that as he was clicking around looking for images these ones jumped out at him as they show a slightly older, more 'normal' looking man rather than a porn star man, with a younger, more 'normal' looking worman, rather than a highly made-up porn star type woman.

he can completely understand why having looked at the DVDs selected I would be appalled and sickened and can see how I have made the connection about DD and the thought horrifies him.

Once or twice in the conversation I thought he was saying what he hoped would get the 'right' answer from me - so when I asked how he would feel about me looking at mother/son porn he started out with 'I would try and understand', I called him out on that and then he admitted he wouldn't cope well with that and that yes, it would make him question me and why I would want to look at such a thing.

I was happy with the answers he gave, I recognised a few attempts at lessening the impact and called him on it and he then gave up the truth and I do believe him. you may think that is naïve of me but I know my DH, he is not that good an actor. plus I have analysed his behaviour towards me and the DC, thought back over his behaviour during sex and there is absolutely nothing that would in any way give me cause for concern.

we moved on to what had got him to this point. He explained that he had felt like I only wanted him as a sperm bank - everything was fine, then I fell PG with DC1 and was so sick and uncomfy that sex was off the table. then you are in to the natural slow progress of getting your sex life back after the arrival of a DC, and I had a bad tear so it was very slow progress. then everything rams up to multiple times a week to conceive DC2 and then back to nothing when I get PG and sick, and repeat for DC3. He wasn't blaming me at all, just explaining how hard it has been for him to deal with the apparent hot and cold nature of our sex life. which looking from his perspective I completely understand. He also explained how he feels I brush him off any time he attempts intimacy, even just a hug.

So then I got a chance to explain my side, that I am at home with 3DC all day who use me as a human climbing frame, I feel I am being mauled all day long so the last thing I want in the evening is someone else mauling at me. I also explained how I know we don't have as much sex as we would like to have and because of that I feel reluctant/nervous of accepting a hug or more than a chaste kiss incase he assumes sex is on and I'm too tired for that. I explained that sometimes I just want hugs without feeling obligated to go further, that I need more base level affection to have a chance of being in the mood.

DH was clear that the porn use is only because our sex life as become non-existent, that he doesn't use it when we have had spells of good, regular sex. He is using it sometimes a couple of times a week, but sometimes goes a couple of weeks without. (this is backed up by how often I have seen the websites pop up in the 'new tab' page.) He says when our sex life is regular (1-2 a week is what he would like) he has no need and feels no urges to look at porn.

without boring you too much more, the outcome of everything is that he will not use the porn going forward. We are going back to the beginning and starting with holding hands, kisses and cuddles. I have said to him he is not to try and initiate sex but focus on us having lots of base level intimacy - hugs, kisses, just every day body contact. I have said to him when I feel ready I will move us forward to having sex but that he has to go at my pace. he has agreed readily to this saying all he really wants is for us to get back to a normal sex life. which as we talked I realised is what I want too.

we have also agreed that we will talk more openly about sex going forward rather than getting frustrated and in his case turning to porn, and in my case just turning off altogether!

I feel very very positive going forward, I feel my faith in my husband is being slowly restored and I hope we will get back to a happy, healthy sex life in the near future.

thank you to everyone who offered advice, especially those who took the time to PM me and share their thoughts and personal experiences with me. You have all (well nearly all) been very helpful in giving me the courage to have the conversation that needed to be had. so thank you Flowers

heading out for the day but will check in for your thoughts later!!

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JohnFarleysRuskin · 10/04/2015 08:47

Well done!

Sounds like the best possible outcome. Wish you the best moving forwards.

Zampa · 10/04/2015 09:08

Good luck for the future bluebell. I can't fault how you've dealt with this and I congratulate you on a measured, even handed approach. Hope that things work out for your family.

Justusemyname · 10/04/2015 09:13

I hope everything works out okay for you.

LaurieFairyCake · 10/04/2015 09:16

That's all extremely positive. Well done to both of you. Flowers

Jan45 · 10/04/2015 09:45

Delighted for you, ditch the bloody porn and concentrate on turning each other on, excellent.

TheoriginalLEM · 10/04/2015 09:50

I am a bit nonplussed if i am honest OP. You may or may not remember my posts where i said that i felt he had those images on his computor by accident. That I have watched ALOT of porn and admitted to watching hardcore and BDSM porn (on my own, not with my partner, he doesn't like that sort of porn). That because of the nature of the pop ups with the barely legal stuff, consent issues etc I no longer watch internet porn. DP and I have a video (yes a video cassette Blush) of some german (i think) porn from 1986 judging by the decor and that will be it for us now, if it works, we haven't watched it for years.

So, saying that - i have looked online at porn, ALOT, and you can see plenty of those images, plenty. In fact there is a whole genre of porn they call "matures" which is what i used to watch because both the men and the women were older and I have no desire to watch an 18 or even 20 yo having sex. probably beause im 45 and well, ewwww I have never had to look at DVD covers to see those images - Im sorry but on that call, i think he is lying. I think he has said what you wanted to hear. I hate all the mn hysteria over porn and I certainly don't want to fuel any more of that on this thread, but really? So he could look at the screen shots? He really REALLY doesn't need to do that! Unless he doesn't actually know where to look for porn, which i doubt. I don't know why he is lying to you about this, because I sort of understand his reasoning, that he wanted to see normal looking men and normal looking women but that can actually be found very easily, without any of the other connotations.

I am also not comfortable with him putting the reason onto you - because you weren't able to or wanting to have sex he turned to porn. I just don't buy it, he watched porn because he wanted to.

I was really hoping to read your update and feel positive but im left with a feeling of unease. Not that he is a peadophile or anything like that, but that he was lying about having the DVD's in his basket. I think i would have preferred an "i don't know what the fuck i was thinking" type response, rather than the measured response you did get.

Saying all that, he is your DH and I don't know him, i am only going on what you have written and i haven't read many of the other posts as i know porn can kick off a knee jerk reaction on here. He has also said that he wont use it anymore and also, he may well have not made the connection because lets face it, its tenuous to say the least, his DD is 3, had she been 16 then i would have been a lot more horrified. Hopefully he is mortified at himself and doesn't want to look at it every again now you have flagged up the connection.

Fearless91 · 10/04/2015 09:57

"Once or twice in the conversation I thought he was saying what he hoped would get the 'right' answer from me - so when I asked how he would feel about me looking at mother/son porn he started out with 'I would try and understand', I called him out on that and then he admitted he wouldn't cope well with that and that yes, it would make him question me and why I would want to look at such a thing."

I'm glad you resolved things but I don't see this paragraph as something positive.

You asked him a question about how he would feel if it was the other way round, and when he started telling you his answer you called him out on it?! Which meant he actually changed what he said.

Why would you call him out on his honest answer just because you wanted to hear something different?

Chances are he probably wouldn't be bothered if this was the other way round which is why he started to say that until you "called him out" on it.

Sorry but to me that's not having an honest chat.

FeijoaSundae · 10/04/2015 09:58

Screenshots? When he could have actual action for free?

I dunno.

It sounds completely implausible to me. But then again, what does my opinion matter? If you believe him, he's golden.

Hakluyt · 10/04/2015 10:01

OP- I am glad you've talked and feel positive. One thing though. He did not look at porn because of anything you did or didn't do. He looked at it because he wanted to. Full stop. People differ about whether using porn is acceptable or not, and you may be fine with it, but he is not doing it because of you. He is doing it because of him.