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HOBBIT'S BAR - still finding it hard to move on...part 4

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WellWhoKnew · 23/03/2015 00:51

If you are struggling to come to terms with the ending of your marriage, no matter how that came about, this is the place where you come to say SHIT THIS IS HARD, when you hit those times of despair.

It is the place where it is never rude to interrupt if you're having a bad day and need to vent. No matter what.

The bar, owned by Hobbit, but run by committee, is open to all as we wind our way through divorce, come to terms with our individual circumstances, or just cope with adjusting to a new life.

My name is WellWhoKnew (known here as everyone's bloody mother!). I was suddenly abandoned nearly eleven months ago. I've just had the final hearing (finished five days ago) and I am now officially an ex-wife. I now have to start making plans for a very different future than I ever imagined, which includes moving home, getting a job, and leaving the deadwood behind.

It is the place where the only thing anyone will tell you to do is keep on, keeping on.

Part three

Part two

Part one

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Rozalia · 04/04/2015 18:05

Haven't yet read the back threads, but I will. So no answer to "How could he do that? Why?"?

I return triumphant from the garden. (roller coaster? What roller coaster?).

I have cut the grass. Not that I have never cut grass before, but not the newly laid lawn with the new mower. But the real significance is that Tab used " needing to cut the grass" as a reason to come round. I'd told him not to, but as usual he paid no attention. He was planning to do it tomorrow, but I've done it myself. It's even got stripes which are straight - except for that one bit. So he's got no reason to come round tomorrow.
Yay me!

And I put a tray bake of chicken and veg in the oven before I started, so I've got a hot dinner waiting for me.

Izzie595 · 04/04/2015 18:06

I don't want him back but I still feel hurt that he treated me so badly. Why?

Because we wouldn't treat anyone like that. And because you know you didn't deserve it. Well there are two theories off the top of my head

Will post later, am suffering a bit today,

Love you, cutie girl Jess. Easter Blush. Keep that paintbrush for me, I'm collecting them for a special mission....

And you know who.....haven't forgotten PM xx

Motivation song, just for us

www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3P9fyJEu6E

1ali3 · 04/04/2015 19:18

Loving the music choices. Hope everyone is having a good day. A lovely walk for me with DD and dog, after cleaning house and now happily cooking dinner for 4 and trying hard not to think about the 5th member of the family and where he is and what he's doing. No news since 'detour to the coast' text. Maybe he fell in..... Trying hard not to worry/be angry. Final of the 'The Voice' tonight. OH alias Twunt1 won't watch 'that crap'. Shame he's not here to enjoy it tonight then. Wink Thought DD might say something today. Nothing.....I hope no man does to her what her dad is doing to us. I'd kill him. How do Twunts have lovely DCs??? They don't deserve them.

1ali3 · 04/04/2015 19:27

Izzie, just read that you not having a good day. Sad Sorry to be insensitive. Flowers

onceinagoldenmoon · 04/04/2015 20:16

Izzie Flowers Flowers I'll join you on that special mission! You collect the paint brushes and I'll get the petrol, anyone care to join in with a lighter??

Today I have made the decision to stop indulging myself in pain. I will stop today.

Hey 1 hope dinner was a wonderful affair Wink I treasure moments of normality with absolute glory. I might have pushed him over the cliff

TabbyTortie · 04/04/2015 21:27

Yay for crappy tv that twunts didn't used to like us watching, now we can watch as much crappy tv as we like, another silver lining to my cloud.

Jess is so gorgeous and cute she could almost turn me into a dog lover.

Izzie595 · 04/04/2015 22:06

Hi all, it's good to see everyone being more positive today, and no, 1 you don't need to apologise. I'm still suffering post dentist the other day, my stomach feels a bit yuk, and I'm totally knackered, having missed a nights sleep, let alone the very late nights on here recently. Anyway, the kids are nagging at me to go to bed. So I'm heading off now. There were comments I wanted to make on various posts. Will do that another time. Mainly though it's so pleasing that we all seem in a better place at the moment. Well, I'm definitely going up now, and will be fast asleep in 5. It's so good that we are all pulling tougher and helping each other, and we love little Jess our little cutie madam take no nonsense mascot. Yes, I've decided we now have a mascot. Keep those pics coming Hobbit. Oh and no bleedin cat pics on here! Go to iwas thread for that. Dogs only Easter Grin. Night all. KOKO , another day and another achievement under our belt xxxx

onceinagoldenmoon · 05/04/2015 00:20

I have just been to Sainsburys to get some milk and more wine and have just been hit on by a stranger. I've clearly still got it!! Yes that's right, still got it!! He isn't my type but obviously my type didn't get me far so maybe it's a sign. Red flag radar on high alert.

onceinagoldenmoon · 05/04/2015 00:26

I'm perfectly fine on my own though. I have been through the mill and have only decided today to proactively work on myself, stop feeling sorry for myself and get my act together. Quite frankly if I never have another relationship again I will be just fine. Just fine.

Hobbitwife001 · 05/04/2015 00:40

Well done once, that's the spirit! We've all been through the mill, and the grinder and the mincer, divorce is so shit isn't it?
But as you say, you've still got it girl! < I had 'it' but I think I lost it somewhere along the road> Grin

No one understands it until you've been through it, we all know how you're feeling because we've felt it, it does get easier in time, please keep posting, and we will hand hold and encourage each other in fighting our way back,

No one puts Hobbit in the corner! ( guess which film I watched tonight)

Hobbitwife001 · 05/04/2015 00:42

This is what I hope my mediators attitude is going to be with my ex;

HOBBIT'S BAR - still finding it hard to move on...part 4
Hobbitwife001 · 05/04/2015 00:45

HeyWWK looks a lot like Mr Snowey Whitey, as I live and breathe,
Waddya think? Can't tell if he's hung like a gnat tho' Grin

bobs123 · 05/04/2015 01:12

Tee-hee Hobbit Easter Grin

I'm with Tabbie on the crap TV - I even amaze myself with the utter shite i watch sometimes. Plus no football allowed in this house!

Happy Easter everyone. enjoy your chocolate - those who have any left!

HOBBIT'S BAR - still finding it hard to move on...part 4
whyMe2014 · 05/04/2015 01:24

Can't take much more of this manipulating bastard.

He's got a bloody court order but he keeps saying he doesn't have to comply with it.

He's supposed to ring the children on the dedicated mobile phone between 6 and 7pm on specific days. But this Friday my eldest decided to have friends round and I was due to go out with my little one. I took the phone with me. When he rang I handed the phone straight to her. But he wasn't interested in talking to her he just wanted my eldest. He told her to give mummy the phone. He then demanded that I ring my eldest and get her to ring him. He got abusive so I put the phone down.

When I got home there was a message on my answer phone from him asking my DD to ring him. He is actually barred from my landline due to his harassment so I did 1471 and got a mobile number. My eldest denied talking to him but she later told me details that she couldn't have known without talking to him.

I rang it back later that evening and left a message saying "do not ring my landline again". Within 5 mins I received a text on my mobile from the OW accusing me of harassing her. WTF! Plus how did she get my mobile number?

How can I be accused of harassing when they contacted me first?

I emailed him to say that I would not be intimidated by them and I would report them both if they continued.

Then he was due to have the children on Saturday and I took them to the meeting place. It has to be in a public place due to his previous accusations etc.

I tried to hand over my little girls bag and the contact book but he would not talk to me or even look at me.

I said he looked ill (which he did) and at which point he went back to his car and sat in it for 45 mins with the window open and telling me that he would take me back to court.

I didn't know what to do. I stayed in the area covered by the cameras and eventually after texting him to say that if he didn't take the children I would take them to my eldests normal Saturday lesson at 9.50am he came over to us and took them.

He then text me at 5.30 to say that they were going to be late back. I told him to stick to the court order and he text back saying I had made my little one cry(!)

He then actually brought them back on time.

Why can't he just stick to what he's supposed to do.

It's just about control. He still thinks he's king of the bloody castle.

Instead he's a nasty little weasel who sulks and throws his toys out of the pram when people don't do what he wants.

Sorry had to get that off my chest. (had lots of shit to deal with this week).

WellWhoKnew · 05/04/2015 01:59

Hi Roz it sounds like this is your opportunity to build a life for yourself that is free from fuckwittery. It's true what the others are saying - that you no longer have a duty of care to him, he's on his own. I'd rather be single than constantly feeling 'second best'. How old are your DC? Perhaps we can brainstorm some ideas to get you out of the house and making friends again...which is one of the hardest things to do after a long marriage (and if it's an abusive one, I bet you've hardly made friends, or lost them in the interim). This is not because you're anything other than lovely, it's because that's how abusive relationships succeed

How do you do an accented 'e'? but it's on my to-do list. I can do it on word but not on MN.

ali You and your children are not the problem. You and your children are not the problem. You and your children are not the problem. And re-read until you utterly and totally believe. "Nonchalance" is your friend. I'm afraid he will do lots of 'attention seeking' things - but he chose this, he needs to get used to YOU moving on. And your first step is to just try to be indifferent. Indifference comes years later but the sooner you start...the quicker you accomplish. You may not think it but you're already making progress. You can't switch your feelings off (this I know) but don't stop trying. It DOES get easier BUT it's not easy.

Once I wholeheartedly agree with your attitude. I want to come out of 'this' (dunno what to call it now the divorce is over with) knowing what I like, I want and what makes me happy. Then if someone can slot into that, fine. If not, fine.

Hobbit I adore that vid of the guy in pink - I have never heard that version before. Thank the Lord that your DS can do links. xxx

izzie your household sounds like an A&E dept. Hope the pain in the side/toothache/sore thumb afflications heal quickly. Take care.

Bobs love the summary! Hope you're doing okay.

Tabby yes it does feel like a silver lining to a cloud. But you know, better than them raining on our parade. KOKO.

Hope you had a successful easter egg hunt Iwas.

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WellWhoKnew · 05/04/2015 02:28

Hey Whyme

He's got a bloody court order but he keeps saying he doesn't have to comply with it.

He says, does he?

This is really common when divorcing the 'master of the universe'. You focus on complying with your side. Absolutely squeaky clean (and it sounds like you have been).

Oh, then you get accused of 'harassment'?

Well aren't they just a barrel of allegations? I lost count of how many times I was threatened with a Non-Mol. And I can count on one hand how many direct emails I sent him.

Oh, so he's 'taking you to court' is he?

Christ are you sure you're not married to MrSW? It's the same shite. Courts do NOT like us using them - they'd rather be hobnobbing about legaltastic shite than deal with us mere mortals. So if he's going to drag you back there, he's going to come out of there learning that the hard way. Just ask MrsC!

This shit is hard because no matter what you do, you are in the wrong. So you keep yourself on the right at all times.

To be honest, I'm all in favour of one chance and zap. If you're going to be in the wrong, you might as well do whatever you need to do ruthlessly. Most of it never even gets mentioned in court anyway. So I'd put it to you to not actually contact him at all beyond the court order. Stop defending yourself and don't take any bait. You're not a fish.

You're a responsible woman doing the best she can under very difficult circumstances. KOKO.

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Rozalia · 05/04/2015 08:40

Hi WWK, my children are all adults. The youngest still lives here with me probably for about another year, then uni. He is good company and I'm happy to have him around. He hates his step father and since tab's been gone my son is around much more, very conversational instead of either at work or in his room. He just avoided being around tab at all.

My other children live fairly close, at the moment. Some see tab, some don't, but I have the love and support of all of them.

You're certainly right about friends. I have no friends left from before the marriage. Some would have moved on anyway, but tab started isolating me as soon as we married. Naively I had no idea what was going on, but why would I? I didn't know people behaved like that. His modus operandi was to inform me of the new rule ie I'm not to talk to my friends at the school gates. This would be backed up by some reasoning about my lack of moral character and how talking to friends was bad for the marriage. When I disagreed, however mildly, things would escalate to painful personal attacks, using his knowledge of my personality to make it really hurt, then name calling and insults. If I still wanted to talk to my friends, next up would be threats and violence.
He'd then ask me daily if I'd spoken to anyone. I didn't because I was afraid the children would accidentally tell him if I did. Also I didn't want to lie. Any attempts by me to try to reason with him about this would be met by anger. I'd be told it showed my disloyalty, how I always put my friends first, before my marriage and my family, how people didn't want me poking my nose into their business, nobody actually liked me, they were being polite, this was why my first marriage failed. All total nonsense of course, but it shamed me so I couldn't face anyone.

This kind of attack was simultaneously going on on many fronts, to shatter my confidence and self esteem, put a divide between me and my children, make me dependent on him. I'd had an abusive childhood and worked all my adult life to overcome its legacy of lack of confidence. He undid all that, deliberately. I became acutely anxious and fearful, isolated, lonely, depressed and truly hated myself. He knew it and did it deliberately.

I have slowly been developing friendships in the last year or so. People seem to like me which has been a surprise. I'm doing lots of activities connected to my interest in the environment and meeting new people. I still feel some loneliness but that's normal coming out of a long marriage.

I am also resisting getting in touch with tab, even when I strongly feel the urge. I'm working on taking anything personal out of our conversations and keeping it business like. Today he is expecting to cut the grass, which I've pre-empted, and probably spend some time together. I'm actually out helping with a heritage project with some of my new friends. Son is home so he will keep the key turned in the lock so tab can't let himself in for a look around. He'll have to ring the doorbell and then of course my son will be around to keep an eye on things.

I have gone on and on and on. But I have to let it out or I'll go bonkers. Also writing on here helps clarify things for me. I can hardly share this kind of detail with my new friends can I? So all of you on here get it. Hopefully, as time passes I'll be more of a supporter instead of vomiting out all this pain.
If you read this far Thanks

Izzie595 · 05/04/2015 08:54

Nuisance calls

If anyone has problems with nuisance calls, see this link. It's self explanatory. There is some mooney off them at the moment. The one I've linked to is the one with two handsets, but I'm sure they will do one with one handset. I can fully recommend this.
www.shop.bt.com/products/bt8500-advanced-call-blocker-twin-9M2R.html

Hobbitwife001 · 05/04/2015 09:12

That was difficult to read Roz my love, because I can feel your pain in every word, but you are free now, free at last!

Just get it all out on here, vent, rant and rend your clothing, we don't mind. At least it is letting the poison out, not letting it fester he is an arsehole of the highest degree. Keep him out of your life at all costs, does he have to have a key? My ex does as technically it is still half his house, but it is not his HOME any more, he chose to leave, and now it is my safe haven, where I can feel happy with my sons. Just think of him as a pustulent boil that needs lancing, think of the relief when the pain of it has eased.

You will make new friends now his controlling attitude is no long influencing your decisions, or get back in contact with some of the old ones, you sound like a lovely person, you just need a bit of a self esteem transplant< as we all do> it's taken a battering and will need some tlc to get back.

You can do this, I'm feeling the rage on your behalf, how dare he treat you this way, my ex wasn't that EA or PA at all, just a MLC twunt, who couldn't keep it in his cycling shorts so I don't have to deal with the a lot of the emotional damage that you have suffered.

But you have made great strides in your recovery, it will get better.
Sending you ((((hugs))))

Izzie595 · 05/04/2015 09:12

Rozalia that was a very powerful post. And you were right to post it on a number of levels.

And my God, now look at you asserting yourself!

Do you actually recognise your achievements? I'm not sure you do, my lovely.

Well, you are an INSPIRATION to others who were/ are in your situation.

Your last two sentences I found very touching.

It's not necessary to give advice to others to help them. Reading your story will help others. And us more regulars on this thread forget that there are others reading this stuff too.

Please just give yourself a pat on the back, or whatever, to praise yourself for your incredible achievements thus far.

Well done xxxx

Izzie595 · 05/04/2015 09:20

Hobbit good morning!

Happy Easter my lovely. And to Jess, our little easter bunny

I just love you posting, it never fails to make me feel happy. I think I would consider a move to the arse end of nowhere to be your neighbour.

This is for you. I haven't listened to the words really, so take it as just how you make me feel Easter Smile

www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Sxv-sUYtM

PS will Jess be making an appearance on here today?

Hobbitwife001 · 05/04/2015 09:25

Happy Easter, to all our contributors and lurkers and friends to this thread.
Hopefully, you are all fully chocolated up, < that's if Iwas hasn't caused a national shortage> I am, in fact eating chocolate and hot cross buns as we speak, one of the many advantages of being single atm.

Hi WWK, that version is the original one of the song, but for obvious reasons it couldn't have the airplay, so he changed to 'forget you'

I know which one I prefer for our situations, let's sing along with Cee Lo!

Love to you, x

greenberet · 05/04/2015 09:33

morning ladies - Happy Easter you lovely lot - apologies still haven't caught up - will do so today but something this morning to do with the Twunt & Bf has really made me laugh - 10/10 for cringeworthiness!

Easter Grin Easter Grin Easter Grin

Izzie595 · 05/04/2015 09:33

DS1 says thanks for the info about the song.

Hobbitwife001 · 05/04/2015 09:33

Morning, Izzie my darling, of course our mascot Jess will make an appearance today, just don't know if I can get her to wear the bunny ears without losing an appendage!

Maybe, bribery involving many biscuits will do the trick Grin
Should I post a new picture each day? I tried to get her to wear Lycra, but she wasn't impressed, good dog!

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