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At my wits end re. fiancé and housework (long, sorry)

718 replies

Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 17:33

Name changed for this, as OH knows MN name, but I am a regular. I apologise in advance for the extremely long post, I just really need to get this off my chest.

Been with OH 3.5 years. Wedding booked for this autumn. Both mid thirties. From the word go, we really “got” each other, had buckets of chemistry and loads of shared interests. We make each other laugh have a good social life both together and separately and are never short on conversation. He is sensible with money, emotionally stable, hates conflict has never been mistrustful or controlling. Lucky me, right?

He is also infuriatingly messy and scatter-brained. I am naturally tidy and organised, and I knew full well when he moved into the house I own 2 years ago that realistically there would be some friction, but it’s got to the point where it’s really wearing me down. It’s like I have to micromanage everything, or it never gets done.

For example, if I don’t remind him it’s bin day, the bin never gets put out, or I end up doing it myself as I just can’t be bothered to remind him a dozen times before he actually does it.
Last month he painted the garden fence and the tin and brush are still out there in the garden getting rained on every day. I keep asking him to bring it in, but he keeps “forgetting”. Ditto with turning the TV off after he’s finished watching it, making the bed when he’s last out of it, changing the toilet roll when he’s used the last of it, removing hair from the plughole after he’s had a bath…

I do the laundry, but only iron my own clothes. He can’t be bothered to iron his, so I leave it in a pile for him to hang up, but he never does and it’s there for days on end, me constantly reminding him to do it, him saying he will, then forgetting. His boss at work reprimanded him because he was such a scruffy state, but even since then he’s refusing to iron his shirts or polish his shoes – he remains insistent that it’s not a priority. I was so worried about him losing his job at one point, that I started doing this for him, hoping it would guilt trip him into doing it himself, but instead of this or even saying thank you, he just said that I was wasting my time!

The other day I asked him to hang a sweater of mine to dry (ie: on a hanger in the utility room). He simply hung it over the door, so it ended up misshapen, then proceeded to smoke in the room, so it stank! Don’t even get me started on the smoking…at first I said fine as long as it’s in the garden, then it was on the back step, then it was in the kitchen with the door constantly wide open, come rain, shine or artic temperatures. I got very upset about this on Monday and now the smoking has moved outside again (he claims he wants to quit and he hates the habit, but that’s another story) There is an ashtray in the garden, but rather than using it, he just throws the fag ends arbitrarily in the garden. I pulled him up on this yesterday and he made some halfhearted apology, but when I went down there again this morning, he’d done exactly the same thing!

Every new item of clothing he has had since we have been together I have bought and paid for because he’s not remotely bothered about his appearance, to the point where he would quite happily walk around with holes in his shoes and trousers. He said he was extremely grateful for the clothes, but still in his eyes they weren’t a priority (He earns good money, it’s not like he can’t afford new clothes) He’s constantly leaving pens in his pockets and I do my best to check them before they go in the washing machine, but not long ago he snuck a pair of trousers in at the last minute and when I took the laundry out at the end EVERYTHING had been covered in permanent marker, including an expensive dress I had only worn once!!

He’ll wash up and hoover if I ask him, but never to the standard I do it, ie: he never rinses the sink so there is always food stuck in the plughole and he never hoovers properly in the corners. I don’t moan about this, because at least doing something is better than nothing. Beyond that, he never notices other cleaning jobs that need doing, so it’s always me that keeps on top of things, not to mention being the only one who notices when household stuff needs replacing and cupboards need tidying.

Admittedly, he is a fantastic cook and will cook perhaps 1-2 times per week. I cook the rest of the time which I don’t mind, as I enjoy cooking and he works longer hours than I do. I am also responsible for all meal planning and buying of food, which again I don’t especially mind, because it means that I get to choose what I want!

He is a highly intelligent man (admittedly more in an intellectual way than a pragmatic way) and he has no problem retaining information relating to other facets of his life, it’s as if it’s in one ear and out the other when it comes to domestic tasks because he places no importance on them. It’s not like he’s a mummy’s boy who’s never had to fend for himself either – he comes from a large family with parents who always encouraged him to stand on his own two feet and he had lived away from home for well over 10 years before he moved in with me. The majority of that time he spent in a shared house, living with women who have now become some of my closest friends. They didn’t mollycoddle him either and apparently used to despair at they mess he made and his lack of common sense. They have nothing but praise for him in every other aspect of his nature though – they see him as their loyal, caring and valued friend.

I have tried to talk to him countless times about how his sloth makes me feel and the impact that it’s having on our otherwise fantastic relationship – I have told him that it’s eroding the love I have for him and what’s more, it’s completely unnecessary as if only he helped a bit more I wouldn’t have to spend my time nagging him – I hate nagging as much as he hates being nagged! I said to him that even if having a clean, tidy, ordered home is not a priority to him in the way it is to me, if he respected me, he would make an effort for my sake. He keeps saying he will (and indeed extends a great deal of respect to me in every other facet of our relationship) but the effort is always incredibly short lived. I tried the trick of stopping doing anything for him and he didn’t even notice, it just drove me nuts! He claims that he hates being micromanaged and that he just wants to be his own person. He seemed to be under the impression that I actually enjoyed being some sort of bloody site foreman!

I suppose the issue of our domestic compatibility is weighing heavier on my mind than usual because of our imminent wedding. I can’t stress how much in EVERY other respect I couldn’t ask for a more compatible partner an at 36 and wanting kids I certainly wouldn’t want to start all over again, but now I’m starting to imagine a life with him post wedding with children of our own. Surely the strain of our domestic situation will only get worse, given the chaos that small children can cause. I fear this issue might encroach on the other otherwise happy areas of our life to the extent where it damages our relationship irreparably. I know it sounds horribly calculating, but I am the one with all the finances assets in our relationship, so I certainly don’t want to be going through a divorce 5 years down the line.

What is your take on my situation? Am I being overly fussy and petty? How do you cope if you have a DH who doesn’t pull him weight domestically? Would this be a deal breaker for you if the relationship was otherwise great? How the hell do I move forward with this issue?

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petalsandstars · 20/02/2015 19:53

fedupwithmess

Imagine your life with 1/2 kids. You're up at 5.30 with a toddler getting breakfast organised as DH is busy getting himself ready for work at his stressful job. Plus you've been up at 11, 2, and 5 feeding a newborn as DH needs his sleep for his stressful job. You are responsible for 3 X meals plus dishes, you have to check the garden and pick up butts before letting toddler out to play, and whizz round first thing picking up plates and glasses or food wrappers and leftovers from the lounge floor. All the washing just happens to be your remit and you can't have little ones in a filthy bathroom /toilet so that's your job too. Plus going out to the supermarket and meal planning and organising doctors / dentists / nursery/ school / all child related things.

And then think about doing all that and a job - full or part time.

A lot of men who do pull their weight pre DC get lazy with kids arrival and do less. I honestly can't imagine how you would remain in love if he was like that to begin with. It would be easier as a lone parent as you would have one less adult to clear up after.

Handywoman · 20/02/2015 19:57

what petalsandstars writes is totally correct.

if you can't communicate openly and with mutual respect about this, what in earth will happen when you have kids?

The bloke can't even clothe himself!!

Quangle · 20/02/2015 20:05

I can't help but think that if you don't have a car or garden to maintain,and no children,just how much housework is needed per week if he works long hours

That's my question too. The OP mentions the hours she devotes to housework and I'm a bit puzzled. If I didn't have two DC it wouldn't really be much of an issue at all.

ImperialBlether · 20/02/2015 20:06

I agree. I'm sure he's lovely in lots of ways but his behaviour is really selfish. It's not the normal selfishness that we tend to see on here, when a partner deliberately puts themselves first, but the thing is he just doesn't see why he should do things he doesn't like to do. You keep saying he's intelligent and I'm sure he is in many ways, but he's also spectacularly dim. How can he not see that this is upsetting you? How can he not see that he is demeaning you? How can he go into virtually any other home and not realise that someone has had to keep the place clean?

How intelligent is he that he doesn't see he's the only person who looks so scruffy?

It must be incredibly frustrating - basically you have a teenager there - someone who has potential but who looks at the world in an immature and selfish manner.

No wonder he doesn't like MN.

Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 20:09

Motherbluestocking
“You will never be able to house-train this man. He sounds like the archetypal hyper-intelligent creative, whose interior life is so rich and stimulating that he simply doesn't notice the material world around him.”
Your description of him is spot-on – scarily so! The thing is, intelligent creative with rich interior life applies as much to me as it does it him (hence why we were attracted to each other), yet I’m bothered about my surroundings to the extent where I can’t fully concentrate on anything creative if I’m surrounded by chaos and clutter.

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Ouchbloodyouch · 20/02/2015 20:09

Your partner sounds a lot like me. I have ADHD. I am NOT lazy. I work 7 days a week and even when I am in the house I can spend 3 hrs actively moving mess around (in an effort to tidy up) however I do consider other people in my environment. I also accept that despite my wish to suddenly have an ordered brain that at my age I am unlikely to change and I have hired help once a week to help with laundry and paperwork. It took a while to find the right person but I have a lovely person who I work alongside and keeps me from starting multiple tasks and finishing none!

sonjadog · 20/02/2015 20:10

It sounds like you are doing a lot of the jobs in your relationship while he is slobbing about. You organize the majority of the meals, the finances, the housework, the garden (through your parents). This doesn't seem like an equal relationship. It sounds like he is trying to get away with doing as little as possible. When he loses his job because he can't be bothered investing in it properly either, is he just going to slob about the house that you pay for and organize for free? Is this what you want for your future?

Boobz · 20/02/2015 20:11

A lot of what I read in your post sounds/sounded very much my DH and I. And actually, I have got more picky/tidy/OCD-ish as I have got older!

BUT

I don't think it is a deal breaker. The way I have coped is:

  1. Get a cleaner/ironer. You will get over the "don't want someone in my house" after about the second visit, believe me.
  2. When you have children, get a nanny.
  3. Have a sit down and say "I know you are not going to change massively, but these are the 5 things you absolutely HAVE TO/CANNOT do (fag-buts, check pens in pockets etc - mine for DH is SHUTTING THE BLOODY CUPBOARD DOORS, HANGING HIS SODDING TOWEL UP AFTER A SHOWER)

You will still end up doing loads of stuff, but you end up accepting it as the other stuff he does is worth it. DH is an incredible dad, lover, friend and confidante, and so I accept (a level of) messiness (which is now under control due to 1, 2 and 3 above).

Honestly, getting a cleaner/nanny.

Bluestocking · 20/02/2015 20:11

It now sounds as though you are going through with this wedding because (a) you think you're too old to "start over" with looking for a father for the children you want to have and (b) you've already paid out a lot of money on a fancy wedding. It's getting worse and worse.
And I too think that the "he thinks MN are a load of man-hating LTB harridans" is a red flag. This is a space where women stand up for themselves and support each other when they are being disrespected. If Mr Nice Guy has a problem with that, then that is a massive red flag.

VioletMoon4683 · 20/02/2015 20:12

I would call the wedding off purely for financial reasons. Wouldn't risk loosing assets to him if his messiness was such a big issue. You could easily aim to live together forever unmarried. If you both want kids together, fair enough. You love each other.

Also dig up some well rated amazon books on tidiness and decluttering. Introduce him to flylady, Marie kondo etc

Skiptonlass · 20/02/2015 20:13

Argh, tough situation.

Ok, firstly look rationally at what you can and can't change. He's never going to be highly domesticated, but you've got to live together and this is the sort of thing that builds up.

Then look at areas where one of you just has different standards. My hubs has a couple of things he has to have just so which don't bother me at all, and he can let the bathroom get to the point it's hairy whereas I'm a hygiene fiend where loos and sinks are concerned. We have had to accept that we have different standards and shrug it off.

So, learn to accept things not being perfect. Food in the sink but the dishes done? Not a biggie. Laundry done and folded roughly? Win. Who cares if your sheets are ironed? I think you need to thrash out what is non negotiable and what can be let go/ outsourced. What can't you compromise on and how can you feel fairly treated - that's the goal.

If you can, get a cleaner. Then sit him (the hubby, not the cleaner) down and calmly tell him you love him dearly but the housework is a massive issue and it's causing you to doubt the relationship. Explain what you need. Delegate as much to the cleaner as poss and then give him a few (only a few to start with) tasks. When he does them (and I'm sorry if this sounds like giving a dog choc drops) praise him to the skies. You are SO grateful for the bins being taken out. Really. So, so grateful. He's the epitome of manhood. He is a manly hunter, you adore him. Praise him to the stars. Reward with nookie. Rinse and repeat. Over time, Housework stops being something you nag him for and starts to be something he does because it makes the house happier.

My hubs is now barred from laundry after The Expensive Cardigan Incident but he does his share and we divide up tasks.

Don't let this rumble on. I really believe that this kind of thing is toxic over many years. It erodes your respect for each other when one of you resent the other. Good luck !

msshapelybottom · 20/02/2015 20:15

He doesn't sound like a bad guy. In all fairness, you know what he is like - in fact you say that you knew before he moved in there would likely be friction. The thing is, there is no such thing as someone who is 100% compatible. There are always going to be compromises needed by each person to keep a relationship balanced. You have to decide whether you love him enough to loosen up on your standards a little bit. It's fairly obvious that cleaning isn't his thing. Are you quite sure there's nothing about you which he is compromising on already?

It's true that you should never be with someone in the hopes that you can change them. Your fiance has done nothing wrong other than have different standards than you. Perhaps you thought you could "train" him to behave differently. I did that too, with a man who drank to console himself from grief. All that happened was that he kept on doing it for another 8.5 years and I nearly went mad from wondering where it all went so horribly wrong. Hint it was exactly the same as it had always been, except I wasn't wise enough to see that I should probably have walked away at the start or be prepared to accept his drinking as part of who he was. But I thought somehow that things would be different when we had kids. Doesn't work like that!

Look, it's pretty damn stressful living with someone who's always on your case about stuff. You must both be stressed to the max.

You could decide to suck up the jobs that your fiance won't do that drive you mad and let him take on more of the stuff he likes to do. You've said he cooks a few times a week. Why couldn't he take over the cooking and you do the bins? Take no notice of his clothes. He's a grown man! If you love each other and want to have a life together then there will be a way round it. But at the moment you are so stuck in the role of "pet trainer" and he in the role of "naughty puppy" that if you continue the way you are you will both probably go quietly mad. You say that his behaviour has an effect on you, what about your behaviour? It's pretty damn unpleasant to have someone on your case about stuff too. You either accept him for who he is and vica versa, or you walk away and find the ellusive Mr 100% compatible. This guy might be really tidy but won't cook, or he might be a right cunt but irons his own clothes. I'm not sure you can really have it all perfect with one person.

Good luck OP!

Twinklestein · 20/02/2015 20:15

The money you'd lose pulling out of the wedding is nothing to the money you'll lose getting divorced.

And perhaps the threat of losing money is the very thing to focus his mind on the importance of getting this resolved.

It bothers me that you've been doing a PhD during this time, because once you're working FT and you're doing all the work at home, you will get even more fed up. Add a baby to the mix, you will be working, doing lion's share of the chores, and all the baby stuff, you will lose respect for and attraction to him very quickly.

And this bothers me too:

my OH has the perception that MNers are a bunch of LTB man-hating harridans

He's one of those :rollseyes:

This is not the mark of an intelligent or educated man, a wild stab says he thinks the same of feminists.

I think you could do a lot better OP, on many fronts. You may be compromising too far.

ImperialBlether · 20/02/2015 20:18

The thing is that you have a rich interior life which you are having to give up so that he can have a rich interior life.

If you both worked together on this, you could both have a fulfilled life and live in a clean home.

He won't work with you on this - his interior life is, to him, more important than yours is.

I agree with the MN red flag, too. Does he really read threads about abusive men and think that the woman posting it should put up and shut up?

AnyFucker · 20/02/2015 20:19

No big surprise that he writes off MN'ers as man hating harridans

that's you, that is, if you don't STFU about stuff that is clearly beneath him

Twinklestein · 20/02/2015 20:22

I don't get the impression of someone who's so massively intelligent he can't see the world around him, I see someone who's lazy and doesn't care.

He knows perfectly well that what he doesn't do, or he intentionally fucks up, he won't have to do.

Stop patronising him with compliments and excuses, and call a spade a spade: he's a lazy slob.

Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 20:25

trackrBird

“What will happen when there are children there to consider? Will they be in the garden playing with Daddy's cigarette butts?” He has give me his word that he will quit smoking before the wedding, and I am holding him to it.

I’ve never been particularly attracted to clean cut men, so his “look” is fine by me to an extent. In fact, on a weekly basis he gets likened to a certain actor who I swooned over long before I met him (saying who would out myself!) He’s not unhygienic in the sense he bathes every day – he certainly never smells unpleasant. It’s more that it’s causing an issue in the workplace – while I baulked at the snooty woman who told him to get his hair cut (he looks awful with short hair) I can completely appreciate the polished shoes / ironed shirt thing within work hours. He thinks it’s ridiculous and that he should be judged on the merit of his work only…

OP posts:
ThatBloodyWoman · 20/02/2015 20:26

I wouldn't ltb over one comment made defensively about an internet forum thread -chances are he got called out and just got stroppy.
I've called you vipers worse when I've been getting a flaming at times....Grin

Maybe some mn ers have got all the best men,and the rest of us are left scrabbling through the leftovers Wink

Seriously,I can see both sides and it just depends on how much this gets on your wick.
Sometimes the 1% bad is so unacceptable it outweighs the 99% good,and only you can know the scale.

Twinklestein · 20/02/2015 20:27

Man hating harridans who expect men to pull their weight around the house. Don't they know he has rich interior life?! He is entitled to flick his fag butts where he fancies...

MotherBluestocking · 20/02/2015 20:27

Other posters have accused him of being selfish and disrespectful. You write that his former housemates regard him as a loyal and trusted friend. I observed that hyper-intelligent creatives are often narcissistic and emotionally immature.
I think you need to put this to the test and see how he responds if you put his slobbery not as a failure on his part but in terms of your happiness - both your own, and yours as a couple. If he is the lovely man we hope he is, he will respond empathetically. You will then need to formulate some very clearly defined - and written-down - tasks which he can reasonably be expected to carry out - making it clear, repeatedly, that this is not about him but about your ability to live together.
You will be feeling that you have found your soulmate, and certainly men who provide the intellectual stimulus and challenge you require don't grow on trees. Equally, though, you are unlikely to find long-term fulfilment with a partner, however dazzling his mind, who is unable to see the need for compromise for the sake of mutual happiness.

YesIDidMeanToBeSoRudeActually · 20/02/2015 20:27

"When he does them (and I'm sorry if this sounds like giving a dog choc drops) praise him to the skies. You are SO grateful for the bins being taken out. Really. So, so grateful. He's the epitome of manhood. He is a manly hunter, you adore him. Praise him to the stars. Reward with nookie. Rinse and repeat."

Bloody hell. Or alternatively, she could treat him like the adult he is, and he could pull his weight as part of a partnership based on mutual love and respect. I'm not sure if your post is more insulting to him or the OP. I'm sure an adult is quite capable of taking bins out without either having to shag or be praised as the epitome of manhood. It's 2015 you know.

Handywoman · 20/02/2015 20:30

He 'thinks he should be judged on the merits of his work only'

Sorry but I did laugh at this!

There is more of a whiff of general entitlement here, plus a number of red flags.

Yes indeed, his rich, interior world is more important than yours.

Absolutely.

YesIDidMeanToBeSoRudeActually · 20/02/2015 20:32

Thatbloodywoman, it's a casual dismissal of a whole bunch of (mostly!) intelligent, articulate women which is worrying. In conjunction with him expecting his partner to wash his clothes and pick up his fag buts off the floor. I do think it's a red flag as it displays quite a nasty attitude of sexism.

Bluestocking · 20/02/2015 20:34

Also loving the "hyper-intelligent" and "rich interior life" guff.

Mylifepart2 · 20/02/2015 20:35

His behaviour fits the profile of the passive-aggressive.
They present as charming, "Mr Nice". They agree to everything as they hate conflict and confrontation but actually do nothing that they say they would. They deliberately "forget", ignore, resist and are stubborn.
However their anger has to go somewhere and they use covert hostility on you - he is in fact constantly pushing your boundaries and buttons. The one thing they have in common is that they drive the people around them to despair as they have to nag and nag and escalate to get basic things done (ie you, his ex-house mates, his boss....).

"The Passive Aggressive

There are many childhood set ups for this way of coping but most often there is a domineering mother and a father who is ineffectual. There are power struggles in the marriage with one parent backing off and withdrawing. The boy feels trapped between choosing loyalties at home. He is afraid to compete with his father who is absent either physically or emotionally or perceived as being inadequate. In the typical mother dominant-father passive relationship, the boy learns that the job of being a man in relationship is to escape the woman's needs and subsequent demands.

The young boy is not allowed to express his feelings and develop a sense of self. He wants his mother's attention and care yet he resents her continual intrusion. His anger grows but he cannot express it so it becomes submerged and is expressed in an unconscious ‘You can't tell me what to do.' He is not allowed to get his way by direct confrontation and competition so he learns to displace his anger through resistance. He learns to use charm, stubbornness, resistance and withdrawal to protect himself in power struggles. He rebels by becoming moody, being an underachiever or developing behavior problems. His self protectiveness and duplicity from the squelched anger and hostility becomes a habit that he plays out with other women he meets. He desperately seeks a woman to meet his needs of being accepted for who he is, but puts her off with small, continual acts of rebellion. He replays the distancing drama of his original family in the relationship.

The man with passive aggressive behavior needs someone to be the object of his hidden hostility. He needs an adversary whose expectations and demands he can resist as he plays out the dance he learned from his parents. He chooses a woman who will agree to be on the receiving end of his disowned anger. He resists her in small ways setting up a pattern of frustration so that she gets to express the anger that he cannot.

The biggest irritant in being with a passive aggressive man is that he doesn't follow through on his agreements and promises. He dodges responsibility while insisting he's pulling his weight. He often ignores reality as to his irresponsibility and withdrawal. He denies evidence, distorts minimalizes or lies to make his version of reality seem logical.

He uses vague language to sandbag the partner. Inconsistency and ambiguity are his tools of choice. He withholds information and has a hidden agenda. He can't take criticism and makes excuses to get himself off the hook. He sulks and uses silence when confronted about his inability to live up to his promises, obligations or responsibilities. When he doesn't follow through, he puts the blame on his partner so he doesn't have to take it and accuses her of having the problem.

The man with this type of pattern shows little consideration of the time, feelings, standards or needs of others. He obstructs and block progress to others getting what they want and then ignores or minimalizes their dissatisfactions and anger. He is silent when confronted as he has never learned to compromise. He may be a workaholic, a womanizer, hooked on TV, caught in addictions or self-involved hobbies.

He may have multiple relationships with women as a way of keeping distant from one fully committed relationship. He is confused about which woman he wants and stays caught between the two women in his life not being able to commit fully to either. He is confused and can't understand why the women get so angry with him. He feels others demand too much of him so resists in overt and subtle ways and feels deprived if he must give in to others. The man who copes with conflict by not being there has strong conflict over dependency. He desperately wants attention but fears being swallowed up by the partner. He can't be alone and live without a woman in his life, but can't be with a partner emotionally. He's caught in a Catch 22--wanting affection but avoiding it because he fears it as his destruction. He resents feeling dependent on the woman so must keep her off guard. He makes his partner feel like a nothing through his neglect or irritability but he keeps her around because he needs her. His script is ‘Be here for me, but don't come too close and don't burden me with your needs or expectations.'

He has such strong fears of intimacy deep in his unconscious mind so he must set barriers up to prevent a deep emotional connection. He is clever at derailing intimacy when it comes up by tuning out his partner and changing the subject. He must withhold part of himself to feel safe and may withdraw sexually. Closeness and intimacy during sex may make him feel vulnerable and panicked bringing forth his deepest fears of dependency upon a woman. The passive aggressive man lives an internal loneliness; he wants to be with the woman but stays confused whether she is the right partner for him or not. He is scared and insecure causing him to seek contact with a partner but scared and insecure to fully commit.

Due to the wounding from childhood, he is unable to trust that he is safe within the relationship. He fears revealing himself and can't share feelings. His refusal to express feelings keeps him from experiencing his sense of insecurity and vulnerability. He often denies feelings like love that might trap him into true connection with another human being. He feels rejected and hurt when things don't go his way but can't distinguish between feeling rejected and being rejected. He pushes people away first so he won't be rejected. He is often irritable and uses low-level hostility to create distance at home. The relationship becomes based on keeping the partner at bay. He often sets up experiences to get others to reject or deprive him. He is noncommittal and retreats, feeling put upon and burdened by partner's requests for more closeness. He becomes a cave dweller to feel safe.

The man with passive aggressive actions is a master in getting his partner to doubt herself and feel guilty for questioning or confronting him. He encourages her to fall for his apologies, accept his excuses and focus on his charm rather than deal with the issue directly. He blames her for creating the problem and keeps her focused on her anger rather than his own ineptitude. When backed into a corner, he may explode and switch to aggressive/aggressive behavior then switch back to passivity. He keeps his partner held hostage by the hope that he will change. He may appease her and clean up his act after a blow up for several weeks, then it's back to business as usual.

The passive aggressive man is the classic underachiever with a fear of competition in the work place. He cannot take constructive feedback from others. His fear of criticism, not following through and his inability to see his part in any conflict keeps him from advancing on the job.

You are not seen as a person with feelings and needs. They care for you the way they care for a favorite pair of slippers or an old easy-chair. You are there for their comfort and pleasure and are of use as long as you fill their needs. The sad thing is, they can sweet talk you, know all the right things to say, to make you believe that you are loved and adored by a someone who is completely unable to form an emotional connection with anyone.

If forced to deal with the problems you’re having due to their behavior, they will completely withdraw from the relationship and you. They will almost never admit that they were wrong no matter how much evidence you show. They have their own version of reality and will work at making your view distorted.

While most men are having sex with their partner in order to connect more deeply with her, the passive aggressive man withholds sex from his partner in order to keep himself safe and to show her who the boss is. Sex is a weapon to be used, not a way of connecting more emotionally.

These people are usually unaware that the difficulties they encounter in their life are the result of their own behavior. They do not connect their passive resistant behavior to the hostility or resentment other people feel towards them. Dealing with passive aggressive people can be crazymaking. You feel dismissed, shut down, ignored… but in a subtle enough way that you don’t know how to react. At some point, you explode.

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