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At my wits end re. fiancé and housework (long, sorry)

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Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 17:33

Name changed for this, as OH knows MN name, but I am a regular. I apologise in advance for the extremely long post, I just really need to get this off my chest.

Been with OH 3.5 years. Wedding booked for this autumn. Both mid thirties. From the word go, we really “got” each other, had buckets of chemistry and loads of shared interests. We make each other laugh have a good social life both together and separately and are never short on conversation. He is sensible with money, emotionally stable, hates conflict has never been mistrustful or controlling. Lucky me, right?

He is also infuriatingly messy and scatter-brained. I am naturally tidy and organised, and I knew full well when he moved into the house I own 2 years ago that realistically there would be some friction, but it’s got to the point where it’s really wearing me down. It’s like I have to micromanage everything, or it never gets done.

For example, if I don’t remind him it’s bin day, the bin never gets put out, or I end up doing it myself as I just can’t be bothered to remind him a dozen times before he actually does it.
Last month he painted the garden fence and the tin and brush are still out there in the garden getting rained on every day. I keep asking him to bring it in, but he keeps “forgetting”. Ditto with turning the TV off after he’s finished watching it, making the bed when he’s last out of it, changing the toilet roll when he’s used the last of it, removing hair from the plughole after he’s had a bath…

I do the laundry, but only iron my own clothes. He can’t be bothered to iron his, so I leave it in a pile for him to hang up, but he never does and it’s there for days on end, me constantly reminding him to do it, him saying he will, then forgetting. His boss at work reprimanded him because he was such a scruffy state, but even since then he’s refusing to iron his shirts or polish his shoes – he remains insistent that it’s not a priority. I was so worried about him losing his job at one point, that I started doing this for him, hoping it would guilt trip him into doing it himself, but instead of this or even saying thank you, he just said that I was wasting my time!

The other day I asked him to hang a sweater of mine to dry (ie: on a hanger in the utility room). He simply hung it over the door, so it ended up misshapen, then proceeded to smoke in the room, so it stank! Don’t even get me started on the smoking…at first I said fine as long as it’s in the garden, then it was on the back step, then it was in the kitchen with the door constantly wide open, come rain, shine or artic temperatures. I got very upset about this on Monday and now the smoking has moved outside again (he claims he wants to quit and he hates the habit, but that’s another story) There is an ashtray in the garden, but rather than using it, he just throws the fag ends arbitrarily in the garden. I pulled him up on this yesterday and he made some halfhearted apology, but when I went down there again this morning, he’d done exactly the same thing!

Every new item of clothing he has had since we have been together I have bought and paid for because he’s not remotely bothered about his appearance, to the point where he would quite happily walk around with holes in his shoes and trousers. He said he was extremely grateful for the clothes, but still in his eyes they weren’t a priority (He earns good money, it’s not like he can’t afford new clothes) He’s constantly leaving pens in his pockets and I do my best to check them before they go in the washing machine, but not long ago he snuck a pair of trousers in at the last minute and when I took the laundry out at the end EVERYTHING had been covered in permanent marker, including an expensive dress I had only worn once!!

He’ll wash up and hoover if I ask him, but never to the standard I do it, ie: he never rinses the sink so there is always food stuck in the plughole and he never hoovers properly in the corners. I don’t moan about this, because at least doing something is better than nothing. Beyond that, he never notices other cleaning jobs that need doing, so it’s always me that keeps on top of things, not to mention being the only one who notices when household stuff needs replacing and cupboards need tidying.

Admittedly, he is a fantastic cook and will cook perhaps 1-2 times per week. I cook the rest of the time which I don’t mind, as I enjoy cooking and he works longer hours than I do. I am also responsible for all meal planning and buying of food, which again I don’t especially mind, because it means that I get to choose what I want!

He is a highly intelligent man (admittedly more in an intellectual way than a pragmatic way) and he has no problem retaining information relating to other facets of his life, it’s as if it’s in one ear and out the other when it comes to domestic tasks because he places no importance on them. It’s not like he’s a mummy’s boy who’s never had to fend for himself either – he comes from a large family with parents who always encouraged him to stand on his own two feet and he had lived away from home for well over 10 years before he moved in with me. The majority of that time he spent in a shared house, living with women who have now become some of my closest friends. They didn’t mollycoddle him either and apparently used to despair at they mess he made and his lack of common sense. They have nothing but praise for him in every other aspect of his nature though – they see him as their loyal, caring and valued friend.

I have tried to talk to him countless times about how his sloth makes me feel and the impact that it’s having on our otherwise fantastic relationship – I have told him that it’s eroding the love I have for him and what’s more, it’s completely unnecessary as if only he helped a bit more I wouldn’t have to spend my time nagging him – I hate nagging as much as he hates being nagged! I said to him that even if having a clean, tidy, ordered home is not a priority to him in the way it is to me, if he respected me, he would make an effort for my sake. He keeps saying he will (and indeed extends a great deal of respect to me in every other facet of our relationship) but the effort is always incredibly short lived. I tried the trick of stopping doing anything for him and he didn’t even notice, it just drove me nuts! He claims that he hates being micromanaged and that he just wants to be his own person. He seemed to be under the impression that I actually enjoyed being some sort of bloody site foreman!

I suppose the issue of our domestic compatibility is weighing heavier on my mind than usual because of our imminent wedding. I can’t stress how much in EVERY other respect I couldn’t ask for a more compatible partner an at 36 and wanting kids I certainly wouldn’t want to start all over again, but now I’m starting to imagine a life with him post wedding with children of our own. Surely the strain of our domestic situation will only get worse, given the chaos that small children can cause. I fear this issue might encroach on the other otherwise happy areas of our life to the extent where it damages our relationship irreparably. I know it sounds horribly calculating, but I am the one with all the finances assets in our relationship, so I certainly don’t want to be going through a divorce 5 years down the line.

What is your take on my situation? Am I being overly fussy and petty? How do you cope if you have a DH who doesn’t pull him weight domestically? Would this be a deal breaker for you if the relationship was otherwise great? How the hell do I move forward with this issue?

OP posts:
expatinscotland · 20/02/2015 21:09

'The question is - what are you going to do about it?'

Nothing. Baby fever is powerful.

YesIDidMeanToBeSoRudeActually · 20/02/2015 21:10

I know you don't want to be specific OP, and I respect that, but is he in medicine by any chance?

TheBug · 20/02/2015 21:11

Working with children is nothing like parenting children.

Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 21:12

Expat I suppose it's easy to view people's relationships in a reactionary black and white way when all you have is a few paragraphs on Mumsnet to go by.

OH is not my "pet", nor does my dad have any influence to step in and "save" him. What I will say is that my dad has done a few role-play style interviews on OH and has concluded that while the content of his answers is faultless, it's how he delivers them that doesn't necessarily inspire 100% confidence - once he turned up to interview wearing shoes that didn't match, because he hadn't noticed before he left the house!!

OP posts:
Handywoman · 20/02/2015 21:12

My ex is great with other people's kids totally disengaged with his own. Just like his own father, in fact.

LucyBealesGhost · 20/02/2015 21:13

whenever this issues comes up again and again, which it will, it will be "well you knew what I was like before you married me".

I'm a chain-smoking slob Blush I wouldn't even consider a relationship with anyone unless they had a similarly high muck threshold or (preferably!) a housekeeper. It'd be grossly unfair.

AnyFucker · 20/02/2015 21:13

op, so two men have said she is a "snooty woman" ?

that must make it gospel then Hmm

Twinklestein · 20/02/2015 21:14

Nothing. Baby fever is powerful.

Yep. I had lunch with an old friend yesterday who compromised for babies. She's getting divorced, looks exhausted, haggard, and near breakdown. She works full time as a doctor while looking after two children, her husband is too special for childcare.

I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

Mylifepart2 · 20/02/2015 21:14

Yep Disney Dad.

Have one of those - will do a bit of the rollicking around in the garden, take kids to the cinema - but wont be seen for dust at bath-time, teeth, bottle, bed, nappies, stories, settling etc (6-8pm) then laundry, ironing. cooking, shopping, tidying, cleaning (8-10pm), then packed lunches, kids up, washed, dressed, fed packed off to daycare/school (6-8am) and daycare pick-up, homework, play, reading, cooking, feeding, (5-6pm).

Twinklestein · 20/02/2015 21:16

It's not that OP - it's very easy to see a woman walking into a mess, when you've seen countless others do the same.

petalsandstars · 20/02/2015 21:17

If you have told him you'll call off the wedding if he doesn't quit smoking - when is your / his deadline?

are you really willing to do this?

You said you weren't before.

AnyFucker · 20/02/2015 21:18

The hand ain't listening folks

all we have managed to do is make op come up with reasons for why her beloved is a lazy disrespectful slob

we will still be here when you need us, good luck with your wedding Thanks

ThatBloodyWoman · 20/02/2015 21:21

FedUp I think some posters are making vast assumptions about your fiance's abilities as a future father.
You don't need to defend him to us,you make your own choices,and good luck. Flowers

YesIDidMeanToBeSoRudeActually · 20/02/2015 21:21

OP, I hope all these replies don't start to make you feel defensive. We can only go on the info you have given and sometimes it's very easy to see a pattern emerging.

It must be hard as the reaction to him has been quite negative, but the reactions are due to info you yourself have provided. Marriage and DC are huge game changers in a healthy relationship, it can break people in unhealthy relationships.

You are being very wise having these thoughts now, before you are committed and I hope the advice is useful to you even if it's hard to hear now.

petalsandstars · 20/02/2015 21:24

Or at least that that would be the end of the relationship. I am very anti smoking but I think the other stuff is worse here really.

Lancelottie · 20/02/2015 21:27

This marriage could work fine.

Just as long as you make like Helena Bonham Carter and Tim Burton, and live in separate houses.

I dream of having my own house, sometimes. Actually, just my own smooth, clean, nonfarty bed would do. I'm saving up for one.

Need to move the piles of crap around enough to accommodate it first...

Handywoman · 20/02/2015 21:29

OP FWIW posting on here means your instincts are telling you something..... With marriage looming I think you'll find it difficult to really listen to those instincts: too much invested already.

Your OH sounds a lot like my best mate's husband. Totally uncompromising on important issues (not the same issues btw) because he sees himself as intellectually superior and too 'creative' and 'artistic' to be another way. He is genuinely lovely. But very difficult to be married to!!!

Mylifepart2 · 20/02/2015 21:31

Do the BBC Radio 4 "Chore Wars" calculator test....together..!!

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/4xsS4Nqzhn21v52xYdMPQqJ/womans-hour-chore-wars

TheBug · 20/02/2015 21:32

Aren't HBC and TB (getting) divorced?

Twinklestein · 20/02/2015 21:35

Yep.

DeliciousMonster · 20/02/2015 21:36

Yes he does wash up after I cook (although I do have to prompt him half the time). He has a highly pressured job and often brings that work home with him in the evenings, so I honestly don’t mind cooking 5-6 nights per week.

Aw bless. Does his boss have to call him up and remind him to do that work, or can he remember to do that all by himself?

OP - you are fooling yourself, this is just the tip of the iceberg and as you go on to have kids, he will leave the whole lot to you, plus will probably have you working as well.

Which is great, if that's what you want. He just does not respect you or your house.

namechange2468 · 20/02/2015 21:40

My DH is like this (sadly without the intellect).

He has just spent the night lying on the sofa while I have baked, supervised the DC decorating cakes, wrapped presents (DD's birthday) cooked supper, washed up, done a load of washing, put the DC to bed, tidied the kitchen etc etc etc

Quite frankly, I hate him at the moment. The resentment is seething out of every pore.

This is what it will be like - people do not change - and having DC just amplifies the problems.

Postchildrenpregranny · 20/02/2015 21:42

I sympathise OP We too met in our thirties and clicked on so many levels..
My DH is not as bad as your DP (he isn't a total slob but his standards are nowhere near mine)but I do find it frustrating that he never sees what needs doing . ( e.g. every week he could walk past a child's rolled- up- in- a- towel wet- cozzie sitting on the floor and totally, genuinely, not notice it, never mind think to rinse it through/put it in the laundry basket. Petty I know, but it used to drive me ballistic) We got round the cleaning/ironing problem by having a cleaner almost until we retired( I have worked ft for most of our marriage ). It helps a lot and you need to budget for it, even if you become a SAHM- at least while you have underfives . Even if you sort some things out it will never be equal . My DH does do all our finances .He has 3 weekly 'jobs' (bins, putting clean linen on bed, hoovering ) that I have 'trained ' him to do over the years. He never cooks, but has total responsiblty for the dishwasher .I do sometimes have to remind him, even now . But he is better than he used to be.
Clothes- wise I buy everything except his shoes and chuck out stuff when it's past its best House-wise I'll narrow things down to 3 things I like and he gets a casting vote .He never shops .Or only under duress for something really major. I organise all holidays and our social life . My garden is a hobby , but I do that too .

I know its a self- defence mechanism . 'If I learn to be good at something I'll end up doing it' . .. DH is highly intelligent ,very focussed and will work very hard at something he's intetrested in . A clean , tidy, well- appointed home isn't it . Though to be fair, he does appreciate my efforts . I am making him out to be a total klutz, but he's not ; is a good father and in many ways a good husband . He's never bored me . He indulges me totally . And I once asked a really good friend if I was a control freak . She said 'No, but you are very organised'.

We have been happily(on the whole) married for 32 years. I do think you need to sort it out before you marry . Or it could break you-you personally and your relationship . .

vdbfamily · 20/02/2015 21:43

sounds alot like my DH. We have been married 13 years and have 3 children. Neither of us iron anything unless there is a wedding/funeral or interview happening. The bed sometimes gets made. The hoovering is done when the floors look like they need it. One of us will take hairs out of plughole eventually. I do get frustrated that he will not clear up after DIY and we end up throwing away paintbrushes etc but at least he does the jobs and saves us money that way. He has never 'got' how to hang up the laundry in a way that minimises the need for ironing but he tries and I try not to nag.He will step over things left on the stairs and claim he did not know why they were there. He will happily sit down to watch a film with mess all around whereas for me it needs to be tidy.
The most important thing to understand is that you will not change the way he is. You either need to accept that the 99% good stuff is enough or you need to say goodbye. Your standards sound high to me and you may need to drop them slightly to stay sane. I don't agree with people saying he has no respect for you. He believes that you make work for yourself by doing stuff that does not need doing. You are trying to make him see things from your viewpoint. Maybe you are not respecting the way he wants to live. There is more to life than housework.

HowCanIMissYouIfYouWontGoAway · 20/02/2015 21:44

Do you think that over the years you are going to love this stuff more and more and more?

I doubt it.

It's irritating you now.

In 20 years you'll loathe it. And you'll likely think less of him too.

These things don't get better over time. They annoy you more.

Now he's your fiance who expects you to service him domestically.

Marry him and he'll just be your husband who expects you to service him domestically. Bugger all else will change.

It's really worth talking to him. Telling him how you feel and that you fear his behaviour is going to make you lose respect for him.

I read something by a fellow mner the other day. It really hit the nail on the head. It talked about stealing your time. I'll see if I can find it.