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At my wits end re. fiancé and housework (long, sorry)

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Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 17:33

Name changed for this, as OH knows MN name, but I am a regular. I apologise in advance for the extremely long post, I just really need to get this off my chest.

Been with OH 3.5 years. Wedding booked for this autumn. Both mid thirties. From the word go, we really “got” each other, had buckets of chemistry and loads of shared interests. We make each other laugh have a good social life both together and separately and are never short on conversation. He is sensible with money, emotionally stable, hates conflict has never been mistrustful or controlling. Lucky me, right?

He is also infuriatingly messy and scatter-brained. I am naturally tidy and organised, and I knew full well when he moved into the house I own 2 years ago that realistically there would be some friction, but it’s got to the point where it’s really wearing me down. It’s like I have to micromanage everything, or it never gets done.

For example, if I don’t remind him it’s bin day, the bin never gets put out, or I end up doing it myself as I just can’t be bothered to remind him a dozen times before he actually does it.
Last month he painted the garden fence and the tin and brush are still out there in the garden getting rained on every day. I keep asking him to bring it in, but he keeps “forgetting”. Ditto with turning the TV off after he’s finished watching it, making the bed when he’s last out of it, changing the toilet roll when he’s used the last of it, removing hair from the plughole after he’s had a bath…

I do the laundry, but only iron my own clothes. He can’t be bothered to iron his, so I leave it in a pile for him to hang up, but he never does and it’s there for days on end, me constantly reminding him to do it, him saying he will, then forgetting. His boss at work reprimanded him because he was such a scruffy state, but even since then he’s refusing to iron his shirts or polish his shoes – he remains insistent that it’s not a priority. I was so worried about him losing his job at one point, that I started doing this for him, hoping it would guilt trip him into doing it himself, but instead of this or even saying thank you, he just said that I was wasting my time!

The other day I asked him to hang a sweater of mine to dry (ie: on a hanger in the utility room). He simply hung it over the door, so it ended up misshapen, then proceeded to smoke in the room, so it stank! Don’t even get me started on the smoking…at first I said fine as long as it’s in the garden, then it was on the back step, then it was in the kitchen with the door constantly wide open, come rain, shine or artic temperatures. I got very upset about this on Monday and now the smoking has moved outside again (he claims he wants to quit and he hates the habit, but that’s another story) There is an ashtray in the garden, but rather than using it, he just throws the fag ends arbitrarily in the garden. I pulled him up on this yesterday and he made some halfhearted apology, but when I went down there again this morning, he’d done exactly the same thing!

Every new item of clothing he has had since we have been together I have bought and paid for because he’s not remotely bothered about his appearance, to the point where he would quite happily walk around with holes in his shoes and trousers. He said he was extremely grateful for the clothes, but still in his eyes they weren’t a priority (He earns good money, it’s not like he can’t afford new clothes) He’s constantly leaving pens in his pockets and I do my best to check them before they go in the washing machine, but not long ago he snuck a pair of trousers in at the last minute and when I took the laundry out at the end EVERYTHING had been covered in permanent marker, including an expensive dress I had only worn once!!

He’ll wash up and hoover if I ask him, but never to the standard I do it, ie: he never rinses the sink so there is always food stuck in the plughole and he never hoovers properly in the corners. I don’t moan about this, because at least doing something is better than nothing. Beyond that, he never notices other cleaning jobs that need doing, so it’s always me that keeps on top of things, not to mention being the only one who notices when household stuff needs replacing and cupboards need tidying.

Admittedly, he is a fantastic cook and will cook perhaps 1-2 times per week. I cook the rest of the time which I don’t mind, as I enjoy cooking and he works longer hours than I do. I am also responsible for all meal planning and buying of food, which again I don’t especially mind, because it means that I get to choose what I want!

He is a highly intelligent man (admittedly more in an intellectual way than a pragmatic way) and he has no problem retaining information relating to other facets of his life, it’s as if it’s in one ear and out the other when it comes to domestic tasks because he places no importance on them. It’s not like he’s a mummy’s boy who’s never had to fend for himself either – he comes from a large family with parents who always encouraged him to stand on his own two feet and he had lived away from home for well over 10 years before he moved in with me. The majority of that time he spent in a shared house, living with women who have now become some of my closest friends. They didn’t mollycoddle him either and apparently used to despair at they mess he made and his lack of common sense. They have nothing but praise for him in every other aspect of his nature though – they see him as their loyal, caring and valued friend.

I have tried to talk to him countless times about how his sloth makes me feel and the impact that it’s having on our otherwise fantastic relationship – I have told him that it’s eroding the love I have for him and what’s more, it’s completely unnecessary as if only he helped a bit more I wouldn’t have to spend my time nagging him – I hate nagging as much as he hates being nagged! I said to him that even if having a clean, tidy, ordered home is not a priority to him in the way it is to me, if he respected me, he would make an effort for my sake. He keeps saying he will (and indeed extends a great deal of respect to me in every other facet of our relationship) but the effort is always incredibly short lived. I tried the trick of stopping doing anything for him and he didn’t even notice, it just drove me nuts! He claims that he hates being micromanaged and that he just wants to be his own person. He seemed to be under the impression that I actually enjoyed being some sort of bloody site foreman!

I suppose the issue of our domestic compatibility is weighing heavier on my mind than usual because of our imminent wedding. I can’t stress how much in EVERY other respect I couldn’t ask for a more compatible partner an at 36 and wanting kids I certainly wouldn’t want to start all over again, but now I’m starting to imagine a life with him post wedding with children of our own. Surely the strain of our domestic situation will only get worse, given the chaos that small children can cause. I fear this issue might encroach on the other otherwise happy areas of our life to the extent where it damages our relationship irreparably. I know it sounds horribly calculating, but I am the one with all the finances assets in our relationship, so I certainly don’t want to be going through a divorce 5 years down the line.

What is your take on my situation? Am I being overly fussy and petty? How do you cope if you have a DH who doesn’t pull him weight domestically? Would this be a deal breaker for you if the relationship was otherwise great? How the hell do I move forward with this issue?

OP posts:
montefury · 02/03/2015 09:21

Thanks Springy!

itsbetterthanabox · 02/03/2015 10:29

You say he's a good cook. Well then why doesn't he do all the cooking? And then he can shop for the food too.
I think getting a cleaner is a good idea.
I think this is a small thing but you are making it into a big one. He needs a list of chores each week. With reminders on his phone and signs about the place telling him to do them. At least he knows what needs to be done and you don't need to nag. For some people cleaning and tidying just doesn't enter their heads. It's not like he's asked you to do it for him he just doesn't notice if it isn't done at all. This needs planning!

Coyoacan · 02/03/2015 17:55

You say he's a good cook. Well then why doesn't he do all the cooking? And then he can shop for the food too
I second this idea.

TheBug · 03/03/2015 21:48

Yes, an excellent, thoughtful post, monte. Especially the bit about how all the gender role stuff sneaks in, seemingly by default rather than belief.

AskBasil · 04/03/2015 13:10

That thing about asking should he wipe out the fridge should ring loud alarm bells

It's him telling you it's not his job, it's your's.

It's not up to him to notice what needs doing, it's up to you to notice it and tell him. And probably organise the equipment and time as well. In other words, project manage him because he's above thinking about this shit. That's your job and when he does the labour, that's not him pulling his weight and doing his fair share, it's him magnanimously helping you out, so hey, be grateful yeah?

And you haven't even got children yet. Things don't bode well.

TheChickenSituation · 04/03/2015 13:55

How are things going, mess? Any more progress?

Joysmum · 04/03/2015 14:04

I project manage my DH re housework, he project manages me re house/car/possession maintenance (which I don't tend to see despite being obvious to him!). It stands to reason that if he's understanding of my blindness, then I should be to his?

I don't have a problem with projecting managing him, nor him doing the same for me. If either of us were to get shitty at being managed that's different.

Needing to be told is no great shakes unless you make the decision to turn it into an issue. It's a bloody good job he doesn't with my shortcomings otherwise there's be trouble. Wink

AskBasil · 04/03/2015 14:18

The difference is that house/ car/ possession maintenance doesn't happen 2or 3 times a day. So hardly the same input in terms of the project management job.

TheChickenSituation · 04/03/2015 14:35

Exactly. ^^

Joysmum · 04/03/2015 15:35

If you don't see something, you don't see it. You can't suddenly be proficient.

Joysmum · 04/03/2015 15:38

Oh and the maintenance is arguably MORE important than housework because not doing it can result in high costs and even danger.

So glad DH and I are understanding of each other's limitations and respectful of each other's specialisations.

AskBasil · 04/03/2015 18:30

"Oh and the maintenance is arguably MORE important than housework because not doing it can result in high costs and even danger. "

LOL. Oh yes, of course the maintenance is more important, after all, it's the thing men are usually responsible for.

Not doing housework can result in high costs and danger as well. You don't clean up and get cockroaches or mice? Well that's Weil's disease and other health hazards. You're crap at cooking and storing food? Burnt pans needing the expense of replacing and food poisoning. You leave stuff lying around and people can trip over them or break them? Broken limbs, concussion and replacement costs. You leave water pooling in bathroom shelves etc., so they get mouldy? The expense and hassle of needing them replaced, re-grouted etc. You treat your partner's priorities as if they're trivial, corroding the love and respect they have for you? The expense of divorce...

The high status, high visibility, low-labour stuff men might be prepared to take responsibility for, is not more important than the invisible endless daily stuff so many men dump on women. But they have done a great job of convincing many women it is. Luckily some of us don't buy it.

Suzannewithaplan · 04/03/2015 20:08

he's got you well trained JoysmumWink

beginningwithA · 04/03/2015 22:26

How are things going, mess? Any more progress?

I'm still here! Things are actually going well. He's continued to pull his weight since I last posted and I haven't needed to prompt him. I didn't get home until late today and he'd been food shopping, put the bins out, washed up and laundered the towels. A few weeks ago I have probably passed out in shock if I'd come home to that. The house smelled lovely and fresh too because the smoking has been kept outside (with no errant fag butts!)

I'm really grateful for all the posts on here, which encouraged me to clearly get the message across to him just how much these issues were grinding me down. We've turned a corner and I'm feeling cautiously optimistic about the future...

beginningwithA · 04/03/2015 22:27

Sorry, I'm the OP - name change ^^

TheChickenSituation · 04/03/2015 22:52

That sounds very promising. I'm really pleased for you. :)

AWholeLottaNosy · 04/03/2015 23:23

Good for you both! I hope he keeps it up...

rosepetalsoup · 05/03/2015 08:45

Well done OP! This is the stuff that marriage is made of, in part, I'm afraid. You're already starting to act like you're having a proper marriage through cooperating so well. I am really pleased for you. I hope you have a lovely wedding, and a long and happy marriage!

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