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At my wits end re. fiancé and housework (long, sorry)

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Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 17:33

Name changed for this, as OH knows MN name, but I am a regular. I apologise in advance for the extremely long post, I just really need to get this off my chest.

Been with OH 3.5 years. Wedding booked for this autumn. Both mid thirties. From the word go, we really “got” each other, had buckets of chemistry and loads of shared interests. We make each other laugh have a good social life both together and separately and are never short on conversation. He is sensible with money, emotionally stable, hates conflict has never been mistrustful or controlling. Lucky me, right?

He is also infuriatingly messy and scatter-brained. I am naturally tidy and organised, and I knew full well when he moved into the house I own 2 years ago that realistically there would be some friction, but it’s got to the point where it’s really wearing me down. It’s like I have to micromanage everything, or it never gets done.

For example, if I don’t remind him it’s bin day, the bin never gets put out, or I end up doing it myself as I just can’t be bothered to remind him a dozen times before he actually does it.
Last month he painted the garden fence and the tin and brush are still out there in the garden getting rained on every day. I keep asking him to bring it in, but he keeps “forgetting”. Ditto with turning the TV off after he’s finished watching it, making the bed when he’s last out of it, changing the toilet roll when he’s used the last of it, removing hair from the plughole after he’s had a bath…

I do the laundry, but only iron my own clothes. He can’t be bothered to iron his, so I leave it in a pile for him to hang up, but he never does and it’s there for days on end, me constantly reminding him to do it, him saying he will, then forgetting. His boss at work reprimanded him because he was such a scruffy state, but even since then he’s refusing to iron his shirts or polish his shoes – he remains insistent that it’s not a priority. I was so worried about him losing his job at one point, that I started doing this for him, hoping it would guilt trip him into doing it himself, but instead of this or even saying thank you, he just said that I was wasting my time!

The other day I asked him to hang a sweater of mine to dry (ie: on a hanger in the utility room). He simply hung it over the door, so it ended up misshapen, then proceeded to smoke in the room, so it stank! Don’t even get me started on the smoking…at first I said fine as long as it’s in the garden, then it was on the back step, then it was in the kitchen with the door constantly wide open, come rain, shine or artic temperatures. I got very upset about this on Monday and now the smoking has moved outside again (he claims he wants to quit and he hates the habit, but that’s another story) There is an ashtray in the garden, but rather than using it, he just throws the fag ends arbitrarily in the garden. I pulled him up on this yesterday and he made some halfhearted apology, but when I went down there again this morning, he’d done exactly the same thing!

Every new item of clothing he has had since we have been together I have bought and paid for because he’s not remotely bothered about his appearance, to the point where he would quite happily walk around with holes in his shoes and trousers. He said he was extremely grateful for the clothes, but still in his eyes they weren’t a priority (He earns good money, it’s not like he can’t afford new clothes) He’s constantly leaving pens in his pockets and I do my best to check them before they go in the washing machine, but not long ago he snuck a pair of trousers in at the last minute and when I took the laundry out at the end EVERYTHING had been covered in permanent marker, including an expensive dress I had only worn once!!

He’ll wash up and hoover if I ask him, but never to the standard I do it, ie: he never rinses the sink so there is always food stuck in the plughole and he never hoovers properly in the corners. I don’t moan about this, because at least doing something is better than nothing. Beyond that, he never notices other cleaning jobs that need doing, so it’s always me that keeps on top of things, not to mention being the only one who notices when household stuff needs replacing and cupboards need tidying.

Admittedly, he is a fantastic cook and will cook perhaps 1-2 times per week. I cook the rest of the time which I don’t mind, as I enjoy cooking and he works longer hours than I do. I am also responsible for all meal planning and buying of food, which again I don’t especially mind, because it means that I get to choose what I want!

He is a highly intelligent man (admittedly more in an intellectual way than a pragmatic way) and he has no problem retaining information relating to other facets of his life, it’s as if it’s in one ear and out the other when it comes to domestic tasks because he places no importance on them. It’s not like he’s a mummy’s boy who’s never had to fend for himself either – he comes from a large family with parents who always encouraged him to stand on his own two feet and he had lived away from home for well over 10 years before he moved in with me. The majority of that time he spent in a shared house, living with women who have now become some of my closest friends. They didn’t mollycoddle him either and apparently used to despair at they mess he made and his lack of common sense. They have nothing but praise for him in every other aspect of his nature though – they see him as their loyal, caring and valued friend.

I have tried to talk to him countless times about how his sloth makes me feel and the impact that it’s having on our otherwise fantastic relationship – I have told him that it’s eroding the love I have for him and what’s more, it’s completely unnecessary as if only he helped a bit more I wouldn’t have to spend my time nagging him – I hate nagging as much as he hates being nagged! I said to him that even if having a clean, tidy, ordered home is not a priority to him in the way it is to me, if he respected me, he would make an effort for my sake. He keeps saying he will (and indeed extends a great deal of respect to me in every other facet of our relationship) but the effort is always incredibly short lived. I tried the trick of stopping doing anything for him and he didn’t even notice, it just drove me nuts! He claims that he hates being micromanaged and that he just wants to be his own person. He seemed to be under the impression that I actually enjoyed being some sort of bloody site foreman!

I suppose the issue of our domestic compatibility is weighing heavier on my mind than usual because of our imminent wedding. I can’t stress how much in EVERY other respect I couldn’t ask for a more compatible partner an at 36 and wanting kids I certainly wouldn’t want to start all over again, but now I’m starting to imagine a life with him post wedding with children of our own. Surely the strain of our domestic situation will only get worse, given the chaos that small children can cause. I fear this issue might encroach on the other otherwise happy areas of our life to the extent where it damages our relationship irreparably. I know it sounds horribly calculating, but I am the one with all the finances assets in our relationship, so I certainly don’t want to be going through a divorce 5 years down the line.

What is your take on my situation? Am I being overly fussy and petty? How do you cope if you have a DH who doesn’t pull him weight domestically? Would this be a deal breaker for you if the relationship was otherwise great? How the hell do I move forward with this issue?

OP posts:
Fedupwithmess · 25/02/2015 14:23

Neither myself nor OH view that he has a "special intellect" or should be treated any differently. However, I do recognise that there are many different types of intelligence and his is far from evenly spread.

I honestly don't think he views housework as women's work either, just work that doesn't take a high priority (which of course means I end up doing more) It would be just the same if I was a man.

Can you deal with that OP? This all depends on whether he proves himself given what we've spoken about over the past few days.

OP posts:
RosieCassMuggins · 25/02/2015 14:28

Definitely have a prenup - you're lucky he's suggested this. Don't get pregnant straight away: things may deteriorate very badly once you're married. Be psychologically ready for divorce, and consider now how hostile he might be if you take that road. These are my opinions, based on my personal experience. But there are no downsides to a pre-nup for you. You could include a commitment to both trying for an amicable divorce if it ever comes to it.

MrsJohnLewis · 25/02/2015 14:31

He didn't know how a mortgage worked??

I guess when you're busy thinking IMPORTANT MAN THOUGHTS, basic understanding of very simple concepts like mortgages and respect for people you share space with.

MrsJohnLewis · 25/02/2015 14:31

*you don't have room for basic understanding

BeCool · 25/02/2015 14:34

oh the acts of hostile rebellion!!!

MrsJohnLewis · 25/02/2015 14:37

Can you deal with that OP? This all depends on whether he proves himself given what we've spoken about over the past few days

What will you do if he doesn't?

How long are you going to give him to prove himself?

I think maybe you say to yourself that if things are still the same in three months' time, you call off the wedding.

Not necessarily split. But really, do not hitch your legal and financial wagon to a man who 'just wants to be his own person'.

Twinklestein · 25/02/2015 14:46

just wants to be his own person

It's an interesting phrase because a) it implies he'd rather be single and not have to co-operate with someone else and b) I've no doubt the OP would be over-joyed if he would be his own person - ie a grownup. - Someone who takes responsibility for himself, who understands chores are part of adult life, who grasps how marriages, mortgages, washing machines work...

HelenaDove · 25/02/2015 14:50

Fedupwithmess Wed 25-Feb-15 13:54:45
OH is freaking out about the cost of the wedding, yes. I would have quite happily eloped and it's not like we're having anything flash by any means, but he was insistent that all the members of his enormous family should be there, which has bumped the price up a lot.

Hmmm Because he thinks that will make it harder for you to cancel perhaps?

wotoodoo · 25/02/2015 14:51

Bahahaha op! just imagining you having to run around after him clearing up his mess ( and later his kids' mess) so that you can continue this lie/charade/facade of this deleriously happy relationship to your parents!!

Poor misunderstood baby genius man that he is that has no concept of mortgages or other such stuff aah diddums ...you do realise you are completely deluded about this man don't you?

Poor mummikins has to teach baby genius man about mortgages?!

Not only is he well aware about mortgages he is also clued up to know after marriage he gets half your assets prenup or not if you have kids!

Your enjoy dumbing down your fiance and you must enjoy spoiling this bloated babyman so much that actually op I think he is very lucky to have you and you him

You are made for each other Hmm

Treemuskears · 25/02/2015 14:51

He wants a pre nup?
And doesn't want any assets if you split.

The bastard, he's deliberately being reasonable.
Leave him anyway.

MrsJohnLewis · 25/02/2015 14:52

Personally I would find his lack of common sense deeply unsexy.

I dated a head-in-the-clouds type once and the final straw for me was when I had to walk him through putting a damn pizza in the oven.

RosieCassMuggins · 25/02/2015 14:56

I think wotoodoo is very wrong. There are such men. His ability to change may be very limited.

UndecidedNow · 25/02/2015 14:56

Hmm....
You see I don't have an issue with someone who puts a jumper to dry 'all wrong' or puts an expensive dress in the washing machine at 60C cycle.
DH has done all of those in the past.
But it was never an attempt at 'punishing' me. At wrost it was a 'oh fgs, why is she moaning about that? Oh I'lldo it but wo any care'.
The big difference us that
1- it feels different when people either haven't a clue or are a bit careless compare to someone who deliberately does something to upset or punish you.
2- when told how and why, he learnt and didn't do it again.

I think that trusting your intuition and 'how it feels' ie is it genuine I don't know or is it an attempt and getting back at you is extremely important. We, on the other side of the screen, can't tell you that.
So how does it feel to you OP?

The cigarettes buds... Was it a one off in the week or did he do that every night during that week until you reacted? Dudvhebthen stop as doors as you pointed it out to him?

Fedupwithmess · 25/02/2015 14:56

He is also clued up to know after marriage he gets half your assets prenup or not if you have kids! Even I didn't know this, so I sincerely doubt he does!

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MelonBallersAreStrange · 25/02/2015 14:58

Do the prenup.

It is unhealthy to deny to yourselves that it might not work out.

Hope for the best. Plan for the worst.

MrsJohnLewis · 25/02/2015 14:58

Was it not a bit cringey when you had to sit him down and be like; 'well the bank lends you money to buy a house and then you have to pay a bit back each month...'?

Did you draw pictures?

MrsJohnLewis · 25/02/2015 15:00

Also, prenups mean fuck all in this country. At best a court will view them as a statement of intent and, if it's minded, will take it into consideration when dividing assets. But it's not binding.

wotoodoo · 25/02/2015 15:04

Bahaha! This thread is making me laugh out loud, what a fabulous couple you make, each supporting the other so well Grin

Hullygully · 25/02/2015 15:04

Twin thing. Yes.

If you love him and think it's worth it, rather than trying to change him/get him to change, work out how to work with him the way he is. Get a cleaner, have someone do the ironing etc etc.

Hullygully · 25/02/2015 15:05

I've missed all the money stuff tho (not rtft all through soz)

Fedupwithmess · 25/02/2015 15:07

I think that trusting your intuition and 'how it feels' ie is it genuine I don't know or is it an attempt and getting back at you is extremely important. We, on the other side of the screen, can't tell you that.
So how does it feel to you OP?

9 times out of 10 it's genuine absent mindedness and as soon as I remind him about the thing he hasn't done he apologises and does it. He sees I get frustrated at him for forgetting the same things over and over again and he says "I can appreciate why you're annoyed and I'm sorry, but it's not like I do it on purpose, I'll try harder." On occasion it has spilled over into belligerence. Never in a spiteful way, rather in a stubborn "I'm not going to do this thing right now because to me it's trivial and Fedup has got disproportionally wound up about it" (in his eyes) kind of way.

OP posts:
RosieCassMuggins · 25/02/2015 15:08

A pre-nup will be like a set of rules which he has agreed to. They will be fixed in his mind as a duty. He won't be able to accuse you of unfairness, even if he is feeling angry and defensive.

Fedupwithmess · 25/02/2015 15:15

Re. some of the most recent posts. I came on this thread for advice at a point when I was at my lowest. I don't have a problem with harsh responses, as long they are constructive.

However, I'm not sure how some posters think that it is helpful to be unnecessarily rude to me. I doubt at least I hope you wouldn't be so rude to my face, so why on here?

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PrivatePike · 25/02/2015 15:21

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UndecidedNow · 25/02/2015 15:55

I have to say I'm also annoyed at some of the ants on here.
Granted that sort if behaviour would annoy most people and most people will not be able to live withs man that is so clueless on some things.
Granted a lot if people wouldn't want to live with him.
But because you wouldn't doesn't mean that someone else is crazy to be happy to do so!

Also there us a lot if talk about being PA, trying to get at the OP etc. it's forgetting that her DP is like with everyone, that all the people who have lived with him say he us clueless but a very nice guy. Ie even people who are NOT involved with him see a nice guy that genuinely isn't bothered by the mess. If it was full on PA directed towards the OP, others wouldn't have seen the same thing, nor would they have accepted it like this and stayed very good friends.

FedUp my story is that DH has recently being diagnosed with Asperger (Not what us the issue with your DP). He could be just as clueless as your DP, his behaviour could be seen just as annoying, actually it was described to me in here as EA. Which I can understand could be seen as such.
Except that I ALWAYS knew deep down that it was never done with a malicious intent. Ever. And I was right.
But if I had listen to people on here rather than my instincts, I would now be divorced.
People read threads like this with their own biais and that will colour what they see. And even if 80% of them tell you he will be a nightmare to live with and he is just after your money, it doesn't mean it is the case.
Only YOU will know what you are happy to live with and hiw genuine he is.
Your issue IMO is to find a middle way so that you get support re HW (going back to the idea if having a cleaner etc) and he is stopping the most annoying behaviour.
And that is totally feasible if he is genuinely happy to live with you. asking him to change so many things all at once might have the opposite effect though. And so is constantly having a go at him about it

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