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HOBBITS BAR - still finding it hard to move on ......(part 3)

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greenberet · 15/02/2015 12:08

here we go ladies & drifting dogs welcome too of the harvey kind!

grab your drinks - Brew, Wine and izzietinis dependant on time of day & how we are feeling

Original thread

Part two

anyone welcome, new, old, lurkers we share with you all.
no requirements re posting as & when, one offs, rants, extreme rants, blubbing we dont mind, we've done it all .

we like songs, we like pics, we like humour, we like the words "twunts" and "fuckwittery" & we send each other Flowers often!

Our motto KOKO and our theme tune

join us Smile

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greenberet · 20/03/2015 20:34

izzie for you Flowers

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bobs123 · 20/03/2015 20:53

Tabbie said it spot on. Unfortunately you still have to give it a go before going to court. We are at about £1000 each after 2 meetings so will end up paying more than in the article!

Hobbit anything I can do to help. I can't be doing with writing stuff - prefer to do spreadsheets and get them to add up for me. Way easier not to say legible! I actually enjoy finance stuff, though a bit slow. My stbx is supposed to be intelligent too - in Mensa once - but seems to understand nothing of anything put to him - Ostrich....sand.....Twunt!

Izzie I find loud music helps! You must have a fabulous, clean house now!

Izzie595 · 20/03/2015 20:54

Thank you Green

And here's one for the ex. Never was it more appropriate to say I married a decent man but I will divorce a twunt.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4cbfqUY2A8

whyMe2014 · 21/03/2015 01:00

oh Izzie....sending you big hugs. This horrible delusional man did not deserve you. You are worth so much more. These abusive men appear to have this hold over us and we end up accepting the tiny morsels they throw at us. The weasel had cheated on me before so do I understand your feelings.

green...you're right...would they like their DDs to be treated like this...no...so why try to destroy the mother of DDs. I think the weasel gets a kick out of hurting me...it's a game to him. It's like trying to negotiate with an evil delusional, deaf and blind clown. He even put a picture of himself on Facebook (to DD before her account was closed) of himself in a clown hat (bald with ginger hair) at the OW's house. So if the hat fits....!

I don't envy any of you going through mediation...I went and I was told I was unsuitable due to his abuse. So a tick in the box and back to court we go.

I thought I had married a decent man but he cheated on me before we got married!....He swore there was no-one else when we split for a few months but found out later there had been a married woman with 3 kids in the background.

My blinkers have come off but I just wish the feelings would stop too. You can't be with someone and just switch off (unless you are the twunts)... doesn't matter what they have done. Hopefully time will help.

KOKO xxxx

greenberet · 21/03/2015 09:56

morning ladies - brain has been churning again - & thinking of you well - hope you are in a good place.

last summer i read the book the chimp paradox- all about mind management and realised what we are dealing with is the "chimp" - this is all about ego & then add to it all the narcisstic/abusive nonsense.

why - the thing about hurting us - this behaviour is all about protecting themselves & surviving - they are vulnerable and so will lash out in any way possible to do this -who gets hurt in the process doesnt feature. i said before to izzie that they would have behaved like this with anyone and those that have had repeated affairs confirms this - its quite likely they behave like this all the time but it may not be so obvious in other situations - unless they have particularly close professional relationships - the extremes of their characters will not show up- their underlying view that women are not equal will not be apparent in a work situation unless they come head to head with an equivalent female - infact if you were to look at any of the cases where there have been female professionals hounded out of jobs in male dominated industry the characteristics of abusive behaviour is probably all the same -what is at the bottom of all this is some insecurity they have & they will destroy anything they see to be "weaker" to protect themselves & their ego - what they need to accept is we are different but equally as important - this is all about "me, I" for them, not about "we, us" as it is for us & our kids and them before they buggered off.

thinking about what I said yesterday about fresh starts & the house - the fresh start needs to come in my head- if its not in my head moving house will sort part of it but not all and once the "new house" wears off all the other stuff will still be there if I haven't dealt with it - if its in my head it doesn't matter where I am.

and the STBXH yes he did a runner - but it wasn't from me, the house, the kids it was from himself! I need to detach "him" and then he will be detached from everything else. sounds good in theory - need to do some work on putting into practise.

On a lighter note watched The Other Woman last night with DD -the spouse & OWs work together to take revenge on DH - not quite our situation but gave me a good laugh - especially the last part so much like STBXH - would thoroughly recommend it to you all.

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Izzie595 · 21/03/2015 10:19

My blinkers have come off but I just wish the feelings would stop too

Why They will. It's always going to take longer when you have non adult children, because you can't break away. As mine are adults, and as he doesn't really see them, it's easier to disengage. I used to find contact in the early stages very difficult emotionally, when he was being helpful/reasonable. But now, apart from the odd blip, I'm just very meh about him. I just think "fucking idiot". And as long as I remember that it's all about me and the kids now, I'm happy. I don't miss his presence in the house, partly because of his long hours, mostly because of the messing around with my head wondering what was going on. I'm just grateful to be out of it, to not have that bitch in my head, and to make my own decisions and be as I want. I've grown a lot in confidence, doing things I've never done before, and realising that I can actually cope without a man doing certain jobs. The confidence has had a huge bearing on my views about him. I just think "how dare you treat me like that, who the hell are you to think you're so special, I'm worth much much more than you". And the feelings do go. I look at him as the man he is now, the man I married died a long time ago. And if I was dating again, I certainly wouldn't be interested in someone like him.

My mum once said to me that I wouldn't get anyone better than him. What she actually meant I think, is that he was from the same mould as her. He never lost his temper, like my dad did. And to her that was the worst crime of all. I spent years thinking that he was the good one and I was the bad one. Not now. I recognise the flip side of a calm personality...and the flip side of a fiery one. All this has caused me to have very mixed feelings about my mother since she died 12 years ago. She doesn't deserve me to be having mixed feelings about her, but I assume I will resolve all this at some stage. But I do feel guilty for those thoughts. She was a good mum

Izzie595 · 21/03/2015 10:28

Green a lot to think about in your last post. I will comment later.

I'm switching off from the fuckwittery again for now. I refuse to let that idiot waste any more of my precious weekend.

Izzie595 · 21/03/2015 10:30

Actually Green repeat after me:

"It's all about me and the kids"

And keep repeating.........

bobs123 · 21/03/2015 10:45

cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1335389047833_7342755.png

copied this from one of MrsC's threads - thought so appropriate Smile

bobs123 · 21/03/2015 10:46

Ok Izzie how do you copy actual pics, not links?????

Izzie595 · 21/03/2015 10:54

Bobs tis easy once you know how WWK explains

At the bottom of the box where you type your post, below that box, is one saying "choose file". Basically hit that button and it asks you where to take the pic from. So save the pic to your device first. That's what I do

So, off you go, no pressureGrin

FuckitAndStartAgain · 21/03/2015 11:33

Morning - well almost! I have a busy work week ahead of me and have decided to ignore the divorce for the moment. It is been so delayed by his actions I am sure more delay wont be a problem.

I have done some moving of pennies and debts which means I will be able to pay the bills, I think, next month. So am just letting it all go for the moment.

Someone recommended the Chimp Paradox to me a while ago but I did not follow it up. Is it worth reading green? I am trying to work my way into doing some mindfulness at the moment; is it the kind of thing that would go with that?

bobs123 · 21/03/2015 11:43

Ok Izzie here goes...

HOBBITS BAR - still finding it hard to move on ......(part 3)
bobs123 · 21/03/2015 11:45

OMG how clever am I!!! love learning stuff like this and SOOOO simple

(some might call it just plain sad but don't care - little victories and all that!)

greenberet · 21/03/2015 12:12

bobs you made me laugh - if you look back on the last thread you will see we were all learning new computer skills hence all the stuff in the opening thread on this one.

izzie ive been dragging up all sorts of relationship questions - i think when you go through something as major as this it does filter out into all aspects of your life & I think you and me are pretty similar in our approach to things.

fuckit when i read this my marriage was hanging on by its last threads & i had just started a counselling course and someone on the course recommended it to me - its all about behaviour and recognising different aspects of ourselves and how we communicate. something in my head just connected with it and I am going to reread it in context of what is happening now - basically we are in control of our own thoughts and emotions hence coming to the conclusion if i move on in my head ive moved on regardless of where I am or what is happening. Yes I think it could work with mindfulness too - im interested in that too -

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Izzie595 · 21/03/2015 13:04

Attagirl bobs

Green your last comment to me. Have you been reading my mind too? I was going to post that we are both similar in that way

What you say about controlling your thoughts and emotions.....I've been doing that, I think. So does that make me a chimp? Or mindful? Or a mindful chimp??Grin

Hobbitwife001 · 21/03/2015 15:36

Ha ha the Izzmeister is back! Mindful chimp! Sounds like some one we all know and DONT love, please pardon me, been out for lunch and drinking wine in the sunshine with my bezzie mate , now feel a bit pissed, and Wales WON, hurrah!

Lots of love to everyone, catch you later, (that's if a don't fall into a drunken stupor that isGrin) x

Izzie595 · 21/03/2015 17:46

Hobbit, nice to hear from you! Erm are you abroad or something? You mentioned sunshine.......or are you very very drunk??

What did they win, was it rugby again? I thought I heard 6 nations being mentioned on the radio when I was at the dentist today. I thought it was just a week long thing or whatever.....

I could never equate any twunt to a chimp, personally. They are far too cuddly.....the apes I mean, certainly not the twunts.

Meantime, this just shows what an emotional fuckwit the Blob is. DS2 texted him three weeks ago asking him to help me. So got a reply about 12 hours later with some rubbish, to which DS2 replied telling him off. So.......the twunt didn't text him for THREE WEEKS!!! Because he can't deal with it, so metaphorically ran away from it. How absolutely pathetic and cowardly is he! I've just found out about it today. It would have been during that time that I sent my very reasonable text about him alienating his sons, being unaware of the background. He really doesn't get it, does he? This is the Blob family genes. Couldn't talk about any emotions, everything swept under the carpet.

DS2 has some deep seated issues re Blob. We had a talk about it today. Like me, he's happy when he's not mentioned, seen, heard of. But whereas I'm more meh, DS2 is struggling with it all. Fortunately DS1 is more pragmatic. He just says he's an arsehole, but he maintains a loose relationship with him.

So, DS2 has now had his own taste of how the twunt deals. He avoids. Runs away. Ignores. I didn't think I could feel any more contempt for the twunt. But I do now.

Izzie595 · 21/03/2015 18:34

Green going back to your earlier post:

Women not being equal. Blob has spent most of our married life treating me as an equal. But he grew up in a home where his dad clearly didn't believe that. I think it's no coincidence that he went off with what he perceives as a very weak woman. He once said she would do whatever he said. Actually, that didn't turn out to be the case, and she is also very manipulative, and playing the victim is her speciality. He's reverted to the gene pool he came from.

Fresh start. Definitely a change of perspective is needed. And it's about focussing on yourself and the kids. At some stage you have to decide on your own version of why you think the marriage ended. And then put it to bed. Or you tell yourself that you will never totally understand, but will just accept what you know. Or you tell yourself that you no longer care about analysing it, because you no longer want to spent your time focussing on him, the negatives etc.

As you know, you and I are both the same in the analysing department. I think the difference this time is that my greater need is to get the past, and that bitch, out of my head. I've spent too long in the past trying to sort through all that maze. In the same way as people have been telling iwas that she will never understand Sid's actions because they are so at odds with her own moral code....in the same way, I really can't be doing with people who have certain character traits. So maybe I have decided that none of it matters anymore, because the person he is now and the person I am.....and with the recent history......I too have decided to end my marriage. It just so happens that he made the decision first. But, having decided that there is no way back, I'm happy to walk away without a backwards glance.....a bit like they do when they leave.

And having reached that conclusion, I can look forward to my fresh start. Well, it's not quite as simple as looking forward. But you get the gist. I'm steeling myself for the eventual loss of the holiday home. It breaks my heart thinking about it, and I have so many flashbacks about all of it. That will be shattering my dreams. So, knowing that this is the lowest point, everything else just follows. So if I lose the main house too, whatever. The next house will become a home, in my style as always. And it will be somewhere that he will never set foot in. I've decided that. It puts me in mind of "The Railway Children". They had to move downwards. I just put myself in the mindset that it's a new start, and the final piece of moving on

Doing a runner from themselves. Absolutely! Which is some satisfaction that they take all their issues with them, plus more. So they don't get off scot free.

Izzie595 · 21/03/2015 19:02

Forgot about this song. Adding it to my Moving On playlist

Goodbye to the Headfuck Years

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhNOZ8O9BGE

Izzie595 · 21/03/2015 19:13

This is also on my Moving On playlist. The first song heard in my new car. The song the kids and I had playing when we went out for our first drive. It's the car's theme tuneGrin

Just a feel good song

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPf0YbXqDm0

Hobbitwife001 · 21/03/2015 19:52

Hi Izzie, it's been sunny here in Gods own country today, sat outside ( with our coats on granted) beautiful view, lovely food and wine, happy hobbit and scousegirlGrin

Had to have a little nap earlier, Blush may have got a bit carried away, loved your post reply to GReen lots of heartfelt points in there, I don't bother trying to fathom why they have done what they have done, don't see what that can achieve really, it doesn't change anything, and can only mess with your head trying to analyse it to the nth degree. That's my feeling on it anyway, I know we are all on our own path here, and anything we can do to lighten the affect their actions have had on our peace of mind can only be helpful. It's just not "me" , I'm more pragmatic, they have done it because they wanted someone "new", someone to tell them how great they are, the "high" of a new relationship, someone "new" in their bed.

Well, that's my situation anyway, that's his explanation, he didn't feel loved or appreciated enough! And she made him feel "lifted"
What a load of bollcks! Entitled wanker! Tee hee, time for some more wine :)

Hobbitwife001 · 21/03/2015 19:57

Hi to WWK hope you are getting on with lots of shit!

Operation New World Order, as decreed by your lovely self and no one else.

Izzie595 · 21/03/2015 20:27

Yes also hi to WWK. Hope to hear from you soon

Hobbit at least you got an explanation. I got various stuff in a text, and even now, I still don't get it! Communication. But the irony was that he ended it with a x. The ONLY time I believe that he ever ended a text to me that way. Twat. Nice to know that he made a bloody Freudian slip when dumping me, how nice that he forgot who he was texting. The other thing about the non explanation text is that it often referred to 'we', as though he wasn't man enough to stand by his own opinion and was trying to pull me along into agreeing. As though he wasn't man enough, oh durr, I mean BECAUSE he wasn't man enough.

Enough of twat talk. You said about going to have a nap. Isn't it nice being able to do what you want. I love this 'single' type living.

Tomorrow, if I remember, I'm going to get the car washed. At the supermarket. I don't usually even bother washing the car, and usually baulk at people paying to get their cars washed. But for all the hard work I've done on the house, I think I'm allowed. Also, as someone pointed out to me, I may not be able to reach the roof of the car to clean this oneGrin

greenberet · 22/03/2015 12:56

morning ladies - had a good night out - danced my arse off - puts my head back in the right place & talking of sunshine my DD is currently sunbathing - she is me all over!

hobbit - love your p88sed post! I have managed to get through this without resorting to alcohol as normally driving when out - so may have to indulge sometime.

izzie love that "tune" & that its cars theme song - great idea - positive spin on it & all that! seems we are not only similar but twunts too - also from the blob mould & hobbit that "new" thing - came across something of STBXH where he'd said as his profile - like things shiny & new -new this was his mentality with stuff but never thought it applied to people - part of the misperception that everything has to be perfect!

izzie what has made me chuckle is all my emails have been going with a "X" - had it set up automatically - even ones to SHL! oh well computer skills not my strength!

noticed used "love" twice in this thread - whats that all about? Wink

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