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DH is a bit Girly/Disorganised - Anyone Else Have One of these?

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JessieJJJ · 31/12/2014 11:16

...and how to cope, because its driving me mad?

This week for example, we went to the cinema, I booked the tickets, but it was a new cinema and we couldn't find it. This was after a minor drama where he lost his jacket. So we were wandering about the town, looking for it. He wouldn't ask anyone, so I had to approach 3 passers by to ask for directions, but by then he had wandered off. He wouldn't answer his phone so by the time he eventually stumbled across it, we had missed the first 40 minutes of the film.

Then after the film had ended, he had lost his car keys in the cinema. Fortunately someone had handed them in, but not before we had searched the entire cinema and I had been accused of "taking them".

We then went away in the car for a couple of days. I was going to book the first night's accommodation in a hotel but he asked me not to, as he didnt' want to be tied down. So I ended up paying nearly double to stay in the very same hotel as the on the door price was more expensive than the internet. I said he could do the accommodation for the second night, but we couldn't find anywhere, and were driving around for about 3 hours looking. A lot of places were closed and eventually we only found somewhere by pulling up at a tourist information board, me phoning various numbers on my phone and getting someone to open up a self catering apartment. DH's phone had ran out of power so he couldnt' do any phoning. He then sulked for most of the next day because he ended up paying £100 to stay in a self catering apartment for one night - he literally wouldn't speak to me or answer any questions until about 3pm.

We took it in turns to drive home, neither of us like Tom Toms but I am very good at map reading, so I gave him good directions when he was driving. As soon as we swapped, he gave me several wrong directions involving lengthy detours off the motorway into small villages, etc.. Even when we were visiting an attraction, he stood next to a massive sign saying "Exit" and announced "I'm really lost now, I can't find my way out".

He works as an engineer so should be quite practical, and he is only 45...but he seems to specialise in putting things on upside down or the wrong way round, you would think the law of change would mean he would be wrong maybe only 50% of the time but no, he bucks that trend. If you say "take the first exit at the roundabout" he is more likely to randomly take the third exit, if you say "go left" you cannot trust him not to go right.

It might sound funny but its actually incredibly stressful for me, as if I don't keep a constant watch on him, he might wander off and get lost. And driving in the dark and heavy rain late at night looking for a way back to the motorway isn't much fun. But he's quite rude with it?

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MrsCakesPrecognition · 02/01/2015 18:03

MN threads never close, they either die from exhaustion; go to Classics or get deleted.

Waltermittythesequel · 02/01/2015 18:25

Arf @ 'Close this thread'.

Vair imperial!

ralgex · 02/01/2015 19:21

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ArsenicFaceCream · 02/01/2015 19:27

Don't be so bloody ridiculous.

Waltermittythesequel · 02/01/2015 19:34

Ralgex that was particularly cunty.

ocelot7 · 02/01/2015 20:02

This thread reminds me of lord of the flies with its out of all proportion attacks on the OP - do you seriously think its justified by any means?

And it has demonstrated that it is possible to gang up online as in real life...like the worst people in the playground [either as a child or parent].

I note that one of the posters who has been aggressive & vitriolic has previously posted several threads of her own on a much more vacuous topic & received nothing but kindness from other posters...would that she would accord others the same courtesy.

ralgex · 02/01/2015 20:19

I think the comparison with a woman in a refuge is a fair point to make. It's all too clear from the tone of the OP that she is a woman in great distress and indeed desperation.

Feminists have traditionally supported the Refuge/Women's Aid movement. So what's going on here?

ralgex · 02/01/2015 20:23

In fact, even for people who can't pick up on tone of voice/tone of posts, the OP spells out in actual written words how distressed she is.

So no excuse there.

ArsenicFaceCream · 02/01/2015 20:24

Feminists have traditionally supported the Refuge/Women's Aid movement. So what's going on here?

The question is what's going on in your cranium?

Who has expressed lack of support for refuges.

The only mention of refuges has been your rather sick diatribe.

ralgex · 02/01/2015 20:34

I am indeed cunty, WalterMitty. Because I am a woman.

ArsenicFaceCream · 02/01/2015 20:35

In fact the OP describes a man who is easily baffled and overwhelmed, disinclined to ask for help, prone to losing things and getting lost. It also says he sulked once. This is not an abusive profile. It is an ASD/dyspraxic profile.

OP herself sounded exasperated, frustrated and impatient.

She dug her heels in and vigorously defended the sexist language when challenged. Where's the distress? Where's the abuse?

ralgex · 02/01/2015 20:44

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JessieJJJ · 02/01/2015 20:48

I haven't given up, just been busy socialising over New Year and feeling a lot less tired and stressed now. Many thanks to the posters who have remained sane and posted useful advice. I can't reply to all of you but I have read them. Probably shouldn't post due to feeding the trolls etc but you can only laugh at some of it, its so over-wrought, so try to take this tongue-in-cheek if you can if you develop an aversion to something in it.

MaybeDoctor Is it also the case that he was never taught/shown how to be organised as a child? There was a very useful thread a few years ago about lateness, containing a lot of useful points about exactly how to be on time

Absolutely I think that has a lot to do with it. I hope I can find that thread.

My apologies for Miscellaneous Assortment for failing to provide a medical diagnosis of either neurological disorder or ASD. I think its better left to the medical professionals. Of whom I am not one.

I have asked him if he would consider going to his GP and he is adamant that he won't and says there is nothing wrong with him. But his GP is really not that open minded anyway and I don't think would assist much. I do think I might be able to persuade him to go along to CBT though, if I frame it as being about improving time keeping and organisational skills.

This thread has me realise that while he has his faults, he could have a personality an awful, awful lot worse. I'm not sure whether we will stay together or not. I feel a lot calmer now that we are not together 24/7 as when on holiday. There are obviously some people with a very specific agenda to push on here they make a big song and dance about being feminism but that actually is some pseudo oddball version of their own, that seems to involve competing with each other as to who can be the most offended in order to justify their own level of abuse. I'd hate so much to be a person that can spout that sort of stuff.

By all means say you are offended by the use of the word "girly" (which I stupidly used as a phrase that could equally refer to men and women and clarified that "ditzy" as suggested by one of the ranters would also do, country bumpkin that I am), but nine or ten times the same thing is more about getting a kick out of getting into a virtual fight. Poor little Arsenic's venom must be nearly depleted, so many times has they posted that it is a wind up. I'm actually tempted to suggest they are an abusive man getting off on this, but I'm not interested enough. Although no doubt they will chastise me for using the M word. And WalterMitty too, whom I didn't even have time to report before someone else did, with their lovely comment that he was going elsewhere with his anatomy and to check his porn usage. Be assured that if that were the case, I would deal with it appropriately, but Other Things Also Happen.

I forget who got all worked up about me using the word "man" to refer to my heterosexual relationship. That was taking the outrage a little too far I think. I don't really think there is a single word, phrase or sentence that wouldn't set off the "gang"? Or maybe I will get a little lecture or told to attend classes in good behaviour or further prescribed worthy reading material - do you find many willing to sit in your naughty corner?

In answer to those who posted more politely about my own deficiencies, I agree, and I do try to be chilled. That is what I would do the night I left him to arrange where we stayed, but when you have been driving around for 2 1/2 hours in the dark, its 9.00pm and you are faced with spending the night in your car, sometimes you do have to take matters into your own hands.

In answer to the very good question, why don't we try Relate? We actually did, a few years back. It was awful. Well, actually it was very good for DH because the counsellor was one of those very worthy types, full of very rigid views about how exactly a woman in a relationship should behave. Her advice was that DH only should be listened to, because he had trouble expressing his views and just in case he walked out on me (everything in fact was based on the premise he might leave). This then meant he took this as justification to pick up on every little thing that had ever annoyed him (such as my not taking time off work to let him in the house after one of his jacket thefts). Her advice to me was that I was to make sure I got his meal on the table each night (seriously) and to spend time together every night preparing it. I wasn't to let work get in the way. I was just to sit there and not say anything (I don't even talk that much) and take all the insults from both of them, because apparently he "might go elsewhere".

In the end I got a bit fed up and said I might also go elsewhere, which didn't go down well with her, as she clearly a relic from a past century. DH took her "advice" as an excuse to start behaving really quite badly and I left him. He then really worked hard to get me back and believe it or not, improved quite a bit, but lately since I have been away with work in particular, he seems to have regressed. I appreciate I got the worst counsellor on earth, but I won't be doing it again. In the time we were apart, I tried online dating and that really opened my eyes as to how fussy I am about men. Nothing about having to have a man in your life, but how many oddballs can there be in one place and who on earth would actually want to date them?

OP posts:
JessieJJJ · 02/01/2015 20:53

CBA dealing with any further abusive posts and stepping away from the internet now. If you can't get over anything on this thread, then just learn to live with it. Or start up a thread about Unacceptable Words or similar.

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ralgex · 02/01/2015 20:54

Glad to see you back in spite of everything, OP. Thanks

Here's another link you might like to look at, containing Tony Attwood's expertise:

faaas.org/tag/tony-attwood/

ralgex · 02/01/2015 21:04

X-post, OP. But I think you are right to leave the thread. It's been de-railed to a ridiculous extent.

Waltermittythesequel · 02/01/2015 22:04

What are you on about, dearie?

I said nothing about him going elsewhere or porn usage.

Perhaps you should read the posts properly.

Fairenuff · 02/01/2015 23:28

I have asked him if he would consider going to his GP and he is adamant that he won't and says there is nothing wrong with him.

As I said earlier OP, you can't make him do anything. All you can decide is how much you are prepared to tolerate. If he won't take steps to change, nothing will change.

It's up to you, it's your life after all, not any of ours. You are the one who has to live like this, or make some changes of your own.

BrainyMess · 03/01/2015 07:50

Glad you're OK OP.

Echoing Fairenuff's post above...
If he doesn't accept he has a problem you're stuck really.
You can take on the responsibility to manage the the relationship to reduce stress to you

eg Buy a bloody sat nav and NEVER EVER let the bugger map read Wink

Good Luck OP Flowers

Violetta999 · 03/01/2015 09:26

It is inappropriate to use the word girlie like that or describe yourself as taking the mans role. Better say you are married to a man child and do all the organising.

What about letting him deal with the consequences of his behaviour. I suspect you are always saving him and this in turn allows him to continue. You are enabling his behaviour. So for example he hasn't booked somewhere, pass him your phone (if his is uncharged) and let him ring round while you relax with a coffee. Let him resolve the issue with no input from you. Go home if you have to last thing in order to make a much bigger point. If he's lost his coat, tell him you will meet him in the cinema seats while he has a skirt round for it. He can choose to ask directions if he's lost. If he leaves stuff in the car for you to bring in, leave it there too and when he requests something you respond with 'where did you leave it?'

Violetta999 · 03/01/2015 09:29

You can so all these things with love and in a nice way. I've had to do this with DS to enable him to take charge of things like getting the bus to school on time or cooking meals when it's his turn. Failure to get ready or cook means late for school and no tea. He has to fall flat on his face to learn to be more organised.

Violetta999 · 03/01/2015 09:31

But I bet you won't stop organising and enabling him

CuriouSir · 03/01/2015 09:38

I think he is either utterly thoughtless or has learning difficulties.

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