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MIL problems..

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Happymum1985 · 11/11/2014 15:46

Thought id post here as really feel at a loss about what to do.. Sorry for the essay, its been going round and round in my head.

My DH is an only child and has always had a close relationship with his mum. She has had a troubled life and because of this, has quite a few issues. Up until DS was born last year, I found her hard work and quite demanding, but we managed to get along fine and I always made effort to see her and have contact with her because having a relationship with her was important to me.

Looking back there were signs she possibly didnt like me, because her reaction when DH told her about our engagement and pregnancy were very odd (she said she was busy and would call back later and hung up the phone). There was the odd thing like her wanting to go on holiday (on her own) with DH for two weeks (two years in a row) and expecting him to go down and stay with her a week before DS was born to 'dig holes in her garden' ?! But again, I tried to be tolerant of all this. She is on her own and doesnt have friends so I understood she was lonely.

Once DS had been born it started to go downhill fast. She came to stay with us the day I got out of hospital even though I had specifically said no visitors. When I got back and she showed up, I didnt have the energy/ didnt want to cause a scene so bit my tongue. She then proceeded to stay for 4 nights and didnt lift a finger to help, wanted to hold DS all the time when I was still in the stage when I felt like I wanted to bond with him and hold him all the time. There was a time il never forget when my DH had popped out and she said she was hungry and me- the mug- was trying to bend down to get plates etc and prepare lunch for her 5 days after a c-section whilst she held DS. Every time she came to stay subsequently she was the same- expecting hotel service and not understanding things had changed.

The last time I saw her was 4 months ago when she came to stay and everything exploded. In a nutshell, she had worked herself up into a rage- we didnt realise- because she wanted time alone with my DH and apparently she had told me this in the morning and we had agreed she could have this time alone with him (i do also find this slightly rude!) -I had totally forgot about this so rather than saying anything she had got really angry. Anyway, i was cooking and passed DS to DH. As I did so, she snatched DS out of my arms and stormed past me saying DS needed to sleep and DH was exhausted. I was fuming, DS started crying and DH sat there like a shell shock victim not knowing what to do. I stormed up after her and retrieved DS (I dont know what came over me but i was shaking in rage). She then stayed upstairs for about half an hour and DH took her out for a walk. On this walk she slagged me off and basically told him she wouldnt be coming to stay again as she found me stressful to be around, that I was a bad mother, a nasty person etc and tried to stir problems between my DH and I by saying I didnt seem to want to spend time with him..

Since she left we have had zero contact. My DH told her that she owed me an apology. She refused to apologise which infuriated me more, and made no contact. It is my DS birthday in a couple of weeks and she said she wanted to come up to see him on his birthday. We have told her we are having a family day but that she can visit around the time of his birthday. She then asked if she could stay at our house (she has no shame!!). My DH said he would speak to me.

When he got back to her and said no, and pointed out to her that she had previously said she couldnt bear to stay with us and would stay in a hotel for her next visit, she announced that she had already booked her train ticket. She then said she didnt have enough money to stay in hotel (rubbish) and said she would meet me for a coffee before staying at our house to 'sort things out' My DH pointed out that she was being a little naive by thinking all could be forgotten after a quick coffee...she also upset my DH by saying its hurting her that he is 'choosing me over her'. He told me last night that it feels unnatural to tell his mum she cant stay.

Am I being unreasonable? Am I doing the right thing? I have stuck to my guns and said she is welcome to come and see DS around his birthday and that I will meet up with her to talk but that she is not welcome to stay. I don't trust her and feel like she is someone that enjoys drama and creating problems and her demands on my DH's time are not conducive to a normal functional relationship. I don't hate anyone, but I think I might hate her.. I just have so much anger and resentment there that I don't know if I can get rid of... I know things cant go on like this but I cant bear her and dont know how to move forward...

OP posts:
Happymum1985 · 25/11/2014 20:28

Hi all, so against most of your advice (I'm sorry- I feel like I have no choice) I am meeting her tmoro and just came on here for moral support as I feel a bit sick. She sent me an email yesterday with a picture of a dove with an olive branch at the top and it said

'Hi,

I hope you had a fantastic weekend.

As (DH) has told you I am visiting to Celebrate my lovely Grandson's First Birthday

It would mean a lot to (DH) if we could meet up whilst I am there.

I arrive on Wednesday 26th around 2pm and can meet you anytime after that.

Best wishes x'

Don't know how I feel about the picture- bit odd?!- but at least it wasnt a skull I guess... or an owl(!) I'm scared..

OP posts:
Meerka · 25/11/2014 20:44

oh dear happy

Plan out what she might say to you. plan how to answer it. Plan how to hold your own.

Keep calm in all circumstances and don't believe what she says. Any genuine attempt to improve matters has to be shown by -time- to be genuine.

If you go in strengthened by some ideas how to handle her, it will help. Inevitably it won't go perfectly but if you manage to hold onto at least a little bit of standing up for yourself calmly and civilly, it'll be good enough.

Flowers Good luck

Happymum1985 · 25/11/2014 20:49

Thankyou so much Meerka. I will let you know how it goes..

OP posts:
Meerka · 25/11/2014 20:50
Castlemilk · 25/11/2014 21:16

Record the conversation.

tulip82 · 25/11/2014 22:54

" it would mean a lot to dh if we could meet up " ???? So she sees it as him and her ?? Does he want ye to make up ?

AcrossthePond55 · 25/11/2014 23:29

Frankly, if it were me I'd play dumb and 'assume' that her statement means that DH would be happy if BOTH of you met with her and tell him he has to come with you. If he refuses I either wouldn't go or I would take someone with me to eavesdrop. Because rest assured her plan is to meet with you and then tell your DH that you said things to her that you didn't say, try to infuriate you into losing it, or twist things around somehow.

Just try to have in mind the things you want to say to her. Don't rise to any bait she tosses out. Don't be afraid to get up and walk away if she starts to needle you.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/11/2014 06:57

Don't apologise for feeling that you have to meet his mother (presumably you feel like this because of DH as well putting his own pressure on you).

Meeting this woman on your own is a huge mistake. I also do not think this is going to go at all well and you will come out of this feeling emotionally betrayed and used. Her "peace" message is akin to you being thrown to the sharks, it means nothing.

Fudgalisious · 26/11/2014 07:23

I too would record the conversation if you have a phone to do so on. One of the ways my Dp finally saw the lies Bil told about me was by my keeping copies of all correspondence-it's was only by the fact he had been caught out previously telling barefaced lies about me by doing the above that my partner didn't feel the normal guilt towards his brother that stopped hun believing his brothers version of me 'calling him a paedofile' (what I actually said was 'no thanks I can manage' when he offered help to get my two dd's washed for bed!) or that I 'had ignored him and turned my back on him when he went to kiss my cheek' when he arrived at the house (despite the fact my dp was in the room so witnessed me having a conversation with him despite me busily preparing the buffet!).

She will probably start to get more venomous now-which is a good thing as eventually her dislike for you will become more obvious as she tries to discredit you (it's amazing how much my BIL has stepped things up over the 5 years!) nows the time to protect yourself so that when you partner feels torn between who he can trust you can show him that you are who you have always been and that he can believe you.
Good luck today.

Chippednailvarnish · 26/11/2014 07:43

Your Mil isn't the issue, your spineless DH is...

FunkyBoldRibena · 26/11/2014 08:43

As (DH) has told you I am visiting to Celebrate my lovely Grandson's First Birthday. It would mean a lot to (DH) if we could meet up whilst I am there.

'MIL. That's all well and good, but I just don't want to. If you insist, I need to tell you that I will be recording the meeting. It would mean alot to my [potentially future] divorce lawyer. See you later.'

diddl · 26/11/2014 09:09

Oh heck OP, please don't go!

It will achieve nothing!

Be too busy!

tulip82 · 26/11/2014 09:27

Good luck today . Be very careful and do record at least you can listen back your self afterwards if anything .
Ps you don't have to do anything that you don't want too

cuddybridge · 26/11/2014 09:30

If you can't say no ( i'll lend you my T shirt), arrange appointments for the doctor, the dentist, the hairdresser, the chiropodist, anyone and give her 15 minutes, or 30 at a push, doesn't she know its nearly Christmas
good luck

cuddybridge · 26/11/2014 09:31

Also love the way she's saying this has all come from your DH, you have sorted that out with him haven't you? You will need him onside so that she can't do this to you again

tulip82 · 26/11/2014 09:35

Also don't apologise that's for her to do

mamababa · 26/11/2014 09:56

Good luck. Remember to keep calm, she wants you to flip, so if you do nothing else, just keep calm. If she really gets to you, calmly say ' I can see this is getting us nowhere. I came here today to hear what you have to say for DH's benefit, but unfortunately it seems you have no intention of making things right for his sake'

Then walk away.

And I agree with the others - record it on your phone

diddl · 26/11/2014 10:07

All the best OP.

diddl · 26/11/2014 10:08

Note though that she hasn't put that it would mean a lot to her to meet up!

brassbrass · 26/11/2014 10:12

if you must go don't go alone take your DH!

nicenewdusters · 26/11/2014 10:19

I know this is too late to say but I really wouldn't go on your own.

My dp pushed for an "olive branch" meeting between his dad and myself. I told him nothing good could come of it, because I had previously challenged his dad and knew his dad wouldn't be able to move past that.

After feeling sick at the thought for several days I agreed. My dp was there along with both his parents. It was a complete car crash. It went exactly as I had predicted. His parents played the victim card and my dp sat there with not a word of support for me.

The only good thing to come out of it was that his dad dug the world's biggest hole for himself and jumped right in. He displayed all the traits that had got us to the situation we were now in. At least dp was there and nobody could dispute what was said.

I am now nc with his dad, and therefore his family. This followed days of feeling sick, panic attacks and nightmares. Nobody is worth this amount of stress. I can't help but see you as being offered up to your mil by your dh as some sort of peace offering.

As somebody said earlier, it's like saying you have the problem with her so you sort it out. No. She is the problem, she is his mother, he has to sort it out. Believe me, you will resent him if this situation continues. I do know how hard this will be for him. My dp cannot see what his dad is really like, everybody else outside his family can.

Ultimately I can't see that your dh will feel able to stand up for you, I'm not saying choose, just to support you. Please don't let it get to this point, it's so hard to come back from.

If you do go, whether alone or with him today, just say as little as possible. The idea of recording the conversation sounds a bit out there, but maybe it would be a good idea. Good luck whatever course you take.

SlimJiminy · 26/11/2014 11:14

I have a really bad feeling about you meeting up with her alone op - I hope that whatever happens, you're able to stand your ground when you need to. I admire you trying to do the right thing for your DH, but I'm getting the impression that you're forgiving his flaws in the same way he's forgiving hers - you love him and you're reluctant to see the bad stuff - but to put it bluntly, he's being a spineless prick over this. Tension headache, my arse. Yes she is his mother and yes he loves her, but it is perfectly possible to be assertive and make boundaries with someone you love. I know this because my DH has done precisely that with my own MIL.

Your MIL is incapable of seeing anyone else's perspective because if she could, she wouldn't have turned up at your house that day after you'd just had your baby. Everything she does is for her own benefit, so if you're still planning on meeting her, make sure you keep that in mind. She's there for her own benefit - not your DH's and certainly not yours. If you must go and meet her, keep the conversation mundane as someone upthread suggested and remember the toddler thing too - positive reinforcements for her good behaviour and negative ones for the bad stuff.

SlimJiminy · 26/11/2014 11:16
  • 'forgiving his flaws' might have been a crap choice of words there - 'excusing his behaviour' might have been better?!
LoonvanBoon · 26/11/2014 11:30

You've been pressurised & bullied, OP, & I think your DH should be ashamed of himself for dumping this shit on you. You don't need to apologize to anyone here, though - in fact, make sure you don't apologize to anyone at all! You haven't done anything wrong.

I would still back out, at the last minute if necessary. But the best of luck if you go ahead with the meeting. Wine for before or afterwards, whenever it's needed.

brassbrass · 26/11/2014 12:13

this is why your DH should be with you

as many people have already said it's not a problem between just you and MIL it totally involves him as well

not wash his hands and dump you in it!!!!

make sure he is a part of the solution