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Potential new OM on the horizon after years in a sexless marriage. (Darkesteyes)

196 replies

Darkesteyes · 10/09/2014 13:58

Im starting a new thread because ive hijacked the Secrets thread far too much . I went on a date on Monday night with a man who asked me out last week.

Details start from the bottom of page 24 of the Secrets thread.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2148966-Secrets-we-want-to-tell-but-cant?pg=24

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Darkesteyes · 28/09/2014 18:09

Thanks Carbe. Thanks I KNOW you are right. I have to see a doc over something else so i will mention whats happened when i see them. Theres a great female doc at our surgery and hopefully i will get an appointment with her.

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CarbeDiem · 28/09/2014 18:25

Good luck Thanks

GilbertBlytheWouldGetIt · 28/09/2014 21:23

Carbe is right, that car excuse is total bolleaux. I really don't like how this guy talks to you. He's given you no respect. This is not how you treat a lady.

Well done on the bra measurement, this is excellent progress. Give yourself some love, you deserve it.

Darkesteyes · 28/09/2014 21:38

You are totally right both of you Thanks

I guess i assumed that because hes older he wouldnt be like that. Well ive learnt a lesson that age has nothing to do with it.

Im not angry with him just disappointed. Wonder if he watches a lot of porn as in the extreme stuff.

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Darkesteyes · 28/09/2014 21:40

It was when he said "Is it essential" when i asked about condom use that scared me.

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GilbertBlytheWouldGetIt · 28/09/2014 21:45

Do try not to waste too much time wondering about him. You're focussing on him, which is absolutely understandable as you are very deprived of affection in your marriage.
What about you? What can you do to make your life a little nicer? You've made some positive changes with your weight and some new underwear. That must give you a bit of a boost, to know you're looking after yourself.

What is your ultimate goal? Who do you want to become? What do you want your future to look like? You don't have to answer these questions, I'm just throwing suggestions out there for you to think about.

Darkesteyes · 28/09/2014 21:58

Gilbert you are very insightful Wine

I think the answer to start off with is probably to widen my social circle a bit more. Get out a bit more.
The cat and DH have better social lives than i do. Smile This is the next thing i need to work on.

Posters here have been wonderful to me and hopefully if i widen my circle i will meet similar people in RL.

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Keepithidden · 29/09/2014 05:58

I can't say anything that hasn't already been said Darkest. Keep strong on the OM front and invest in a social life. That should be a pretty easy thing for you to do after the recent goals you've achieved!

There are lovely, friendly and interesting people everywhere, I have no doubts that you fall in to this category so it's just a matter of getting to know the others!

Darkesteyes · 29/09/2014 15:35

Thankyou Keepit Thanks

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PedantMarina · 29/09/2014 19:18

I don't want to hijack with the deeper-wider sociological issues, but part of the problem with society undervaluing all women's sexual needs is that they allow a lot of myths to flourish and those crappy mindsets are what's keeping both you and [now ex-] potential OM from having a nice, uncomplicated time of it.

My example: I met a man at the train station (DP and I are in an open relationship, rarely practised), we hit it off so thoroughly and well that we arranged to meet somewhere. Never ended up happening because, in the run-up to the actual "date", he started moving goalposts, testing boundaries and under-valuing me. (NB, he was also of the "don't like condoms" ilk).

I got the impression that he thought both the situation and I were "too easy". My view of things was quite the opposite: hitting it off that well with anybody doesn't happen every day. And sheer numbers are on my side - there must be a lot fewer women than men who are OK with no-strings sex, so I figured I was in a better "bargaining" (don't take me literally) position. BTW, I don't expect to be valued above rubies, just, like, not actively disrespected. I gave him the heave-ho, then was pestered with emails for a while until I threatened to do him for harassment.

It's all about the effort they choose to make, DE. In both our cases, no effort went towards respecting the essential other party, and too much towards what may well be "says no when she means yes" bullshit.

Stay strong.

Darkesteyes · 29/09/2014 21:30

YY Marina Thats how i felt too. i also felt that this guy started moving goalposts under valuing etc too.

On the one date we had when he asked for an old bra of mine I did tell him i thought that was a strange request and that it was also the sort of item my old callers used to ask for (i used to work in a sex chatline office) I think this coupled with the fact that my marriage has no touching affection or sex may have made him think i was desperate enough to put up with the bunk up in a car scenario.

And some men do compartmentalise women.

You are bang on when you say its all about the effort they choose to make. So true.

And yes there is no way we should be actively disrespected just because we are women who like sex.

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Darkesteyes · 29/09/2014 21:30

Thankyou Thanks

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PedantMarina · 29/09/2014 21:48

Yes, I'd read your post about that "date" on the secrets fred. Classy! GrrrraaaOOOW.

PedantMarina · 29/09/2014 21:56

I meant to add Grin

NeedsAsockamnesty · 30/09/2014 01:53

Resist any temptation to unblock his number.

Your sensible and you know he's not for you. You also know he's testing your boundaries to see just how much he can attempt to manipulate you and the results will not be pleasant.

I have lost count of the amount of sobbing women whose stories start off with disrespectful sexual behaviour conducted towards them and blokes who they think they do not deserve.

You are not one of those women because you know he is not worthy enough for you.

X (and I get to do that kiss because I've branched out of aibu so am being mindful of being super nice Grin)

Darkesteyes · 30/09/2014 02:00

Thankyou Thanks ive left my phone on charge all night and have only just looked at it and he sent me another text.

"i know that you love the way i feel when i touch you and no women should have to go through life doing without that basic feeling of feeling wanted and desired"

Blacklist function is obviously not working Its a T Mobile Energy changed to EE so i will pop into EE shop and see what they say. But even if i cant block him i feel strong enough to ignore. Just coming back and rereading this thread every now and again helps immensely. Thanks

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PedantMarina · 30/09/2014 07:24

But he doesn't want you or desire you. He just wants it.

Keep on ignoring.

PedantMarina · 30/09/2014 09:05

DE how many messages has it been now? And how many since you told him to stop?

IthoughtATMwasacashpoint · 30/09/2014 12:25

If he can't respect a simple reuest like not texting, I would be worried about him respecting more serious boundaries, it seems he just doesn't listen and that, to me, is very dangerous. The reluctance to wear a condom would be a deal breaker for me too. What if previous partners had agreed? He could have something really nasty and be spreading it about.

I think you're worth a lot more than fumbling around in the back of a car. If he can't take you to his place why not a hotel?

Darkesteyes · 30/09/2014 13:55

ithought i thought the same a few weeks ago. But someone who is too tight to even drive a few mins out of his way is not even going to want to go halves on a hotel room.
You are right about the not listening. In one of my texts i did say to him that his behaviour reminded me a bit of ex OM and he ignored this fact and refused to address it (in fact hes worse than ex because when i ended things with ex OM he left me alone and we had been seeing each other for 4 and a half years.)

Its been 3 texts since i asked him to stop including one where he says "we can be good friends and i can give you a massage but we can stop at sex"

i have friends but we dont do this . You are right Marina he just wants "it" and he told me in a phone convo on sat that he thinks women with smaller boobs are no fun. Dickhead. By trying to pay me a cackhanded compliment he was putting other women down, Ugh. As a woman and a feminist i think this is awful

But i know not all men are like this and he is not all that is out there. This is OVER. Though it never really got started. And the woman he got pregnant before me who had to have an abortion. Going by these events she must have conceived in his car. And she was in a similar situation to me Poor woman Sad

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Cricrichan · 30/09/2014 14:26

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LilAnnieAmphetamine · 30/09/2014 14:30

Darkest

Wishing you well and plenty of anti viper serum too Wink. Life is complicated and not everybody can understand that things aren't always cut and dried.

Flowers
Darkesteyes · 30/09/2014 14:50

Cricrihan i have a 3 year posting history on this site. And i suggest you do some reading on religious and cultural emotional abuse.

In a matter of weeks? So eager to be nasty that you havent read things properly.

Has this thread touched a nerve perhaps!

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Darkesteyes · 30/09/2014 14:51

Thanks Lil Thanks

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IthoughtATMwasacashpoint · 30/09/2014 18:00

Darkest,, I rally hope you find who you're looking for Flowers