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Is my marriage in crisis?

334 replies

ChaChaChaChanges · 15/07/2014 12:00

I am married, we have children together, and I am currently in turmoil. I suspect I am being ridiculous.

DH and I have been together for almost ten years. We met when I was married to someone else (he was single at the time). We had an affair, and I left my first husband for now DH.

I fell unexpectedly pregnant 7 years ago. There was never any question that we would keep our baby. However, I developed suicidal PND, which I didn't seek help for. (DH and I both thought that everyone gets the baby blues, and DH in particular was very keen not to cause worry for our families by seeking help or telling anyone about it.)

After 18 months my PND improved and we conceived our second DC (planned). Sadly, I again got suicidal PND. This time I insisted on seeking help, and was on ADs for 2 years. I came off the ADs in Summer 2012. I wonder if I am getting depressed again.

Since DC2 was born, I have felt that I love DH but am no longer in love with DH. I have had to make myself have sex with DH, and have not enjoyed it 'once I was into it'. I haven't hated it either, but I got no pleasure from it. I would prefer not to.

I thought that that was enough. That we could effectively parent together, live together, make a life together as best friends. However, over time I have found that we have less and less in common, and some of the things he does are making me very resentful (leaving the bulk of housework to me despite us both working FT; putting his career ahead of mine; various bodily things like scratching himself and picking his nose in front of me that turn my stomach; he's a wind up merchant, generally at my expense; even his crappy jokes irritate me now).

To give him credit where it's due, he is at heart a kind, decent man. He loves me very much (he says). He tries to make me happy. He takes on equal child-caring responsibilities at the weekend (I do the vast majority during the week because he's at work; I get up at 4 each morning to get work done before the children wake because I simply can't get all my work done in core hours whereas he can work as late as he wants), he does the garden, he loves our children very much, he lets me have a bath each weekend evening while he does bedtime, he cooks the dinner most evenings when he's home (sometimes he has dinner with clients or colleagues).

I recently met someone. He has no interest in me whatsoever - the feelings are entirely on my side (I have a thread in Chat about it if anyone wants to look). However, it has thrown the issues in my marriage into sharp relief.

I don't know what to do. Do I muddle on with DH, keeping the family together? It would be largely for his benefit and for the children. Do I push again for marriage counselling (which DH has in the past refused)? Do I tell him I'm unhappy?

Any advice would be most appreciated.

OP posts:
ElephantsAndMiasmas · 25/07/2014 16:30

Really good start - hope it carries on. You're incredible. Thanks

HotDogJumpingFrogAlburquerque · 25/07/2014 17:57

Great start. You are being very strong.

Here's hoping he keeps it up.

Romeyroo · 25/07/2014 19:37

I think it is reasonable to check re the lawn-mowing, if it is done in the spirit of checking if the OP was expecting him or would like him to do baths and it is a change to the routine of doing it on Saturday.

Equally, if OP was not up to doing baths for whatever reason, she could say, no, I'd rather you didn't, I need you to do baths, because I need to clear the kitchen after dinner or whatever.

That seems like a normal conversation to me, as long as OP is not afraid to say no or offer an alternative.

Zazzles007 · 25/07/2014 23:29

A good update Chacha. Lets hope things keep moving in this direction!

kaykayblue · 26/07/2014 03:45

Mrbuster, yes in hindsight I didn't word that part very well. I wasn't trying to blame the op per se, but at the same time people do need to stand up for how people treat them and not tolerate crappy excuses. Don't get me wrong - this is 99% the husbands fault for being so patronizing and generally useless and 1% the op's fault for allowing it to continue.

temporaryusername · 26/07/2014 04:12

I haven't been able to read the full thread but I've tried to follow it. It is very revealing that all his solutions involve things external to himself - it is never him changing that would be the solution. I think he needs to realise that he is a big, causal, part of the problem. Anyone would have been struggling, in fact you must be mentally strong to have got this far with his attitude. Can't work the tumble drier for god's sake. If he ever mentions that again, tell him that if you feel he still hasn't mastered it by the following week then he must agree to an appointment with an occupational therapist who might be able to help him find a way to do it.

I don't know if he can change enough, as you've said not only is it doubtful if he'll keep up the practical stuff, but there are fundamentals wrong too. I hope he does improve and you get the time to recover a bit and work out what you want.

I agree with everyone that you must never, ever, fall for his attempts to put all the problems down to you being depressed rather than his lack of support and respect. It is true though, that his lack of support could be a factor in making you very low, and he has been wearing you down. Remember he is worsening your mental health, rather than your mental health causing him issues or being the primary problem. I do think you should be ready to get help though to strengthen you through this - there are lots of square mile therapists and it would be good to look after yourself there. Just never let him make that the issue, or the cause. It is more a result. I wouldn't even tell him. I would tell him that if you are still not happier by September, then HE should see a counsellor as he will obviously be failing to address his attitudes and behaviours appropriately.

I agree with the person who said they couldn't get past him not wanting you to get help for PND the first time. That is completely unacceptable and as soon as I read that line in your original post my heart sank regarding this man. Be angry about that. No-one, not even an actual medical professional, can judge what a close relative needs at a time like that. You needed medical support and he deprived you of it, out of what sounds like a toxic mixture of ignorance and cowardice.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 26/07/2014 18:05

How did it go today, Cha?

ChaChaChaChanges · 26/07/2014 21:07

It went really well.

The first boy awake was DS2 at 6:50. For the first time ever, I hadn't got up by then to do chores so we called him through to our room for cuddles. DS2 actually said he'd never seen Mummy and Daddy in bed together before, and clearly loved his special time with us. DS1 joined us at 7:30 and DS3 at 8.

We all got up together - I got the boys dressed while DH made breakfast

Then DH took them to the shops and I did the home chores - made the spare bedroom nice, hoovered, laundry, usual stuff.

Which meant that all the jobs were done by the time our visitors arrived without either of us getting unfairly burdened.

The day has been lovely - relaxing outdoor meals with the boys splashing in and out of the paddling pool. We're just about to play one last game of Uno with DS1.

OP posts:
siiiiiiiiigh · 26/07/2014 23:06

shamelessly placemarking. This is all very familiar. It's a shit way to live. I'm in awe of you.

OneDreamOnly · 27/07/2014 07:50

:):)

Carry on standing up for yourself and let him get on with things as he should have done a long time ago.
Don't be afraid to be assertive and just remember how nice yesterday was. It should always be like this.

ChaChaChaChanges · 30/07/2014 21:31

Just a very quick update.

So far everything is going very well. I have been leaving the house at 6:25am each and getting to work at 7:45. He has been managing the mornings perfectly fine. No sabotaging from him at all so far, and I am a hundred times happier.

Interestingly, I had a meeting with Drunken Text Man at work today, and didn't find him particularly attractive.

The trick now is guarding against slipping backwards.

OP posts:
ChaChaChaChanges · 30/07/2014 21:32

Slipping backwards with DH/Wifework, I mean. No slipping backwards with Drunken Text Man. I'm so over that.

OP posts:
mistlethrush · 30/07/2014 22:36

Sounds very hopeful!

OneDreamOnly · 31/07/2014 10:25

:) :)
I love that sort if updates!

hellsbellsmelons · 31/07/2014 10:46

Great update.
Glad he has stepped up.
You've done so well to get to this stage.
He WILL keep going, because you will make sure he does.

ChaChaChaChanges · 31/07/2014 14:52

I might even jump DH's bones tonight when I'm sure the DCs are asleep - that's how far we've come in a week!

OP posts:
hellsbellsmelons · 31/07/2014 15:02

Wow - that is progress.
Do it!
Get that loving feeling back in place.
Never seen this kind of turn around on here before and it's lovely to read about!
Well done on getting this far this fast.

HotDogJumpingFrogAlburquerque · 31/07/2014 15:18

Great news! It really is lovely to read a positive update!

UptheChimney · 04/08/2014 09:21

How's it going ChaCha? Hope all's well, and you're starting to see how a partnership should & can work.

ChaChaChaChanges · 04/08/2014 13:20

It's still going very well, thank you for asking.

I was away overnight on Friday with my girlfriends, and got home on Saturday afternoon. Although I hadn't expected him to, he'd done all the laundry.

Sunday was very much like the old days in that I got up with the boys while he had a lie in, and then I had a bath while he did bedtime. The difference was - I didn't resent it. Quite the opposite, it was nice to get up with the boys after not spending the mornings with them over the past week. And it was nice to relax in the bath and not feel guilty.

So, I'm getting more hopeful that the changes might be permanent. Still not getting complacent, mind...

OP posts:
ovenchips · 05/08/2014 13:58

That's great news!

Please keep updating when you can. I bet I'm not the only one on the thread who regularly checks to see if there's any news and is soooo rooting for you.

Twinklestein · 05/08/2014 14:07

I think the real test will come a few months in, when he is no more taking desperate measures to save his marriage, but realises this is his schedule for good. He may start to become resentful of not being treated with kid gloves and the extra work, as he would see it.

I sincerely hope he doesn't, and that he comes good. But I think it will be quite a while before you know.

Best of luck.

ChaChaChaChanges · 05/08/2014 14:24

We've had so much more sex since the changes were implemented (enthusiastically, on my part, I'm delighted to say) which may be incentive enough for him to continue!

But you're right - in seriousness I will keep a look out for things moving backwards into old, bad habits.

OP posts:
CinnabarRed · 10/08/2014 19:06

Things are not so good this weekend. He is keeping his side of the bargain, but I'm struggling with the anger I still feel that he let me struggle for so long (especially as he's slipped to readily into the new routine).

Everything about him is irritating me today. Especially him interfering in my allocated tasks and his faintly patronising attitude towards me. I feel a bit like his puppy; treated well (because who wants a snarling, snapping dog in the house?) but still somehow lesser, in his mind, to him.

I'm hoping this is just a phase and it will pass.

CinnabarRed · 10/08/2014 19:07

Oops. Name change fail. C'est la vie.