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Pretty desperate (v.v.v.long)

205 replies

JustDontWantToSay · 24/06/2014 00:06

It's taken me weeks and weeks to pluck up the courage to post here. I am doing this out of utter desperation. I've hesitated because my DP would be so furious if he found out - the fury I could cope with but he would mock me too, i.e. "oh you think you're hard done by after what you've done," etc., etc. and I find that the most cutting thing of all.

Sorry - I think this may be quite a long post.

Basically I'm not sure whether I'm in an abusive relationship or not. Or whether I'm the problem. Please, please be honest if you reply - I need to know whether I'm going mad or not.

We've been together 2 years. I don't really want to describe the incidents to date because it will out me, but I don't see an alternative if I want valid opinions. I'm a strong character, he's a strong character. We had a complicated start but we knew that we wanted to be together and we worked hard to do that. It was very stressful for lots of different reasons, we really didn't have the best start.

Around 3m into the relationship he lost his temper after a party one night, threw me against a wall and onto a bed, gripped me so hard I bruised and threw me out of the front door of a hotel room into the snow wearing nothing but my knickers. I was only out there for a few seconds though and then he opened the door again. We were both drunk and tension was high. He was mortified the next morning and swore that he'd never do it again. A few weeks later we had an argument in a hotel and he smashed a wineglass in his hand. I left.

Over the next few months we had dramatic highs and lows. The highs were the best days of my life and the lows were the worst. We had a couple of big arguments where he got slightly violent (smashing things, pushing me up against a fireplace and he held a glass against my neck threatening to smash it into me - though this is something he completely denies. Maybe I imagined it. I'm not sure. It was a vivid memory at the time.) In his defence I have to say that I would have been antagonising him by arguing with him. At that point I wasn't one to shy away from a disagreement. His point throughout the relationship has been "you don't know when to stop". His jealousy was getting out of control too. He once marched me home from a bar, physically manhandling me. I didn't want to go elsewhere, but he made it clear that I was within his physical control. On another occasion we were in a restaurant and there must have been something going on; all I remember is him saying "I've seen you look at that table of blokes once, I've seen you look twice, now you do it a third time" - very threateningly. I just stared down at my hands as it was safest after that.

A short while later we split up. Before that, we had some vicious fights (always drink-related, Saturday night, emotions boiling over sort of thing) and I called the police twice, probably unnecessarily and he holds it against me to this day, calling me 'mad', 'attention seeking', etc.

Three times we had a 'last night' together because he was going to end it with me. After the split I was diagnosed with severe depression. Medication helped. We got back together and all was fine until Christmas. We had an argument one night and he locked me out of his house (I had no key, live two hours away) and I stayed in the pub and became aware that there was a table of three blokes next to me and they were talking about something that interested me. To my huge embarrassment now I was so drunk that I went over, joined their table and their conversation for a bit. I can honestly say that by this point I was absolutely desperate for non-judgmental company. Desperate. I would never have gone on to do anything else under any circumstances. Over Xmas I think what happened was that he got annoyed that I was having fun at my parents' without him (he had his own plans) and on Boxing Day I was late to see him (maybe an hour, maybe a bit less, because I was packing) and we had an enormous fight in a car park where he literally screamed at me for an hour or more in public about this pub incident that he had got to hear of. Again, I didn't help matters by trying to slap his face once with a bunch of keys in my hand. To this day he accuses me of punching him with a bunch of keys, and whilst they were in my hand I genuinely didn't intend them to touch him. It was a fraught situation and I made a mistake.

There have been a few incidents since then, too many to recall exactly, but one saw me going to the pub to use the wi-fi to submit some work and because he'd been out all afternoon (I was unreasonably annoyed) I decided to stay there. In retrospect I was crying out for attention and care. Again, I joined a table of people (male and female) and stayed there for a couple of drinks. Not having eaten and drunk far too much I ended up absolutely wasted, left my ipad behind the bar in lieu of paying because I couldn't find my card and stumbled back to his house. His view on the whole night had been "Well, fuck you, if you're out, I'm going out."
In the morning I told him where I'd been and he went ballistic. He threw me and my stuff out of his flat, I wasn't dressed and he made me get dressed in a communal stairwell. He literally threw my bags down the stairs. He said that I was completely disrespectful and selfish. We fought badly that day, but I had behaved appallingly by staying out and getting drunk. He thinks that a woman shouldn't be in a pub on her own.

On another occasion he got angry and threw my shoes out of the window into the road, meaning that I had to go out barefoot to the middle of a busy road and pick them up. The humiliation was horrible. A few weeks ago I drove to see him after a fight and found him in a bar, he was very drunk. He was absolutely horrible to me and threw me physically out his flat and took back the key he'd given me and I had to sleep in my car overnight. He apologised profusely the next day and was sincere in regretting it.

So now we get to this period of time and it's been a rollercoaster. In brief: he is extremely suspicious and jealous, he needs to know all my passwords, if I use my phone when he's not next to me he accuses me of being 'sneaky'. He regularly goes through my phone and computer, etc. and flies off the handle if he sees anything he doesn't like (old photos, etc.) If I use any form of social media he is instantly suspicious and disapproving. He says that I've caused it by lying to him. I do admit that I have lied - but it was only ever about stupid stuff (is that coat new? No, type thing) I know that doesn't justify it.

Over the last few weeks I have been diagnosed with anxiety and have new meds (they're working well). He has been making a big effort to drive to see me rather than the other way around and we've had some spectacular times. We were aiming to spend our lives together and whilst I was totally comfortable with that idea, he wasn't and the pressure was always on - if I put a foot wrong then I wouldn't be a suitable wife. He's always yelled insults at me, but recently he's got really nasty - he's called me a scumbag, a disgusting cunt, a fucking awful person, a complete fucking joke, basically run me into the ground. He says that he only says those things when I am behaving like a disgusting cunt or whatever (this isn't language I would normally use btw). He says that I don't know when to stop and that's why he gets so angry. This weekend I really wanted to go to a special, one-off event which we had planned to attend together, but it had been sold out but a last minute opportunity came up. I was all excited and began making plans to see if we could go and he got immediately cross at one of my ideas (he said that I was 'palming my child off on anyone who would have her' - I'd suggested her staying with someone as an IDEA, it wasn't fixed or a definite plan in any way and I wouldn't have done anything if it wasn't in her best interests.) He got aggressive, nasty, shouted some awful things and I walked out. He said he couldn't go to the event because he had nothing ti wear (specific dress needed) He was appalled at the thought I would go on my own for an hour or so - it was my last chance to see one friend before she moves abroad and a whole group of girls were going who I am friendly with. I really wanted to go,.He later admitted that he'd lied to me about not having clothes because I hadn't walked in immediately and asked him if he wanted to go. I assumed that his previous desire to attend still stood. I wasn't sure all day about going or not and eventually he said that he would rip up my dress to stop me going, and all of my other dresses, though he later said that he wouldn't actually have done it. So I missed the event. He blamed me hugely for 'fucking off and doing whatever I wanted' when I walked out because he was being so verbally abusive. He denies this, but every time I came back he went down the same path and I was trying to make a stand.

Last night was the final straw. Too boring to go into but basically his point was that I have no right to complain about anything he does because of what I've done (nothing not detailed here). He says that I am selfish on a level that he's never experienced before (hand on heart, I'm just a normal person), I'm rude on a daily basis (I'm not at ALL) and he cannot see any fault with himself in any way. He says that he has the right to throw me out of his home and call me names, though he admits it isn't nice. These are things that have been repeated hundreds of times, along with the names. He accuses me of being deliberately deceitful, manipulative, spiteful, that I have 'snidey eyes' and many other things. When I argue he shouts that I'll "say ANYTHING" to win a point (I don't) and he constantly accuses me of lying. He sneers at me, belittles me constantly and mocks me by repeating what I've said in a childish voice. This morning I began to tackle him very gently about his behaviour, knowing that I couldn't take any more, and he turned around and said that he felt he was in an abusive relationship, that I was an abusive person, that I lied and manipulated and controlled him, that I had damaged him completely, that I'd ripped him apart and left his self-esteem at rock bottom, that I was calculated and nasty and would stop at nothing to make sure that he was hurt. Nothing could be further from the truth but he just doesn't see it. He says that anger is the only emotion that I can't destroy so it's all he has to use. I promise that I am just a normal woman, going about my normal life and trying to be the best partner that I can to him. I don't do anything that he accuses me of but he just can't see it. He remains determined that I'm this awful person. He says that I 'suck the life out of him', that being with me is an awful thing. He has isolated me from friends and family but hating me going out with friends, disliking my friends, saying that it's disrespectful to see them. He doesn't believe that I haven't slept with some of them. I just cannot tell him anything. He makes his mind up and that's that. He judges me on things that I simply haven't done. He's called me a whore, a slut and many other things.

What he said this morning has floored me. Am I abusive?? How?? I try every which way to look after him - doing all his washing, cooking for him when I can, giving him drinks and vitamins, tidying his flat, doing little things that he likes and I curb my own tongue all the time so that we don't fight. Now I've reached the point where my self-esteem is so low that the only people who make me feel like a decent person are my daughters. I rely heavily on their smiles, hugs and pictures that they draw to make me feel ok. I am often frightened by him - I know he would physically overpower me if he wanted. I feel undervalued, worthless and not special in any way in the slightest. He says that this is exactly how he feels. The name-calling really upsets me for some reason. They're only words but they do upset me. My friends and family hate him because I've relayed some of his behaviour. He's cross about this and says that I painted him in a certain light and focussed on the bad bits rather than the good.

Flip side? I do love him, I understand he's damaged in some way and we do have some wonderful times. He's done a lot for me.

That's it I guess. Sorry it's so long. I'd be grateful for any feedback. Has anyone else been in this position? What should I do? I am totally isolated, no friends or family nearby. I have no-one to confide in.

PS. The alcohol usage is going to leap out at you. I'd just like to say that we don't drink heavily or every day and it isn't a problem. It just seems to have fuelled fights in the past - so we cut it out.

OP posts:
Zucker · 25/06/2014 17:30

Your are kidding yourself if you think this isn't having an effect on your children. While you're moping about, pining for this arse of a man or pondering how you can save this pathetic relationship they are affected.

You are using those children as an emotional crutch, they will have noticed. Doing extra special things for mummy to cheer her up or being extra good and quiet so as not to upset mummy any more. Ring any bells?

THE IS NO SAVING THIS, THERE IS NOTHING TO SAVE. Change your numbers if you aren't brave enough to tell him it's over. If he calls to your house call the police and tell them he's attacked you in the past.

YouMakeMeHappy · 25/06/2014 17:30

There are some disgusting people on this thread.. Makes me wonder what their real motivation for posting is. Because I don't believe it out of concern for the OPS children. Weirdos.

MorrisZapp · 25/06/2014 17:31

Agree with Banjo.

MorrisZapp · 25/06/2014 17:31

Name a disgusting person on this thread.

YouMakeMeHappy · 25/06/2014 17:34

Seriously, some of you need to ask yourself what kind of arseholes post on the internet solely to make someone else feel like shit.

As soon as one starts with the insults, the rest pile in.. Jake, you seem like a really unhappy person and I feel sorry for you.... Deep deep down

FellReturneth · 25/06/2014 17:42

Well I've been searching and searching for the last one, and I can't find it. Perhaps the OP asks for them to be deleted when she cannot face being confronted with the her own reality.

FellReturneth · 25/06/2014 17:48

Justdont I vaguely remember from your last thread that there was a bit of a to do with your parents about them taking your DDs on a holiday. You had had the 'iPad left in the pub' incident and the following day you were supposed to be at your parents to go on holiday with your DDs and they's threatened to take them without you, or something - can't quite remember what, but I go the impression they had had enough of your chaos and your drama and were offering a few ultimatums of their own.

Do they know how he treats you? Did they warn you this is how it would be? Did they tell you not to leave your husband for this?

Is that why you can't leave him?

rowna · 25/06/2014 17:49

I do know where you're coming from to some extent. I had an ex when I was very young who accused me of looking at men, so I looked at the floor. Told me all my friends were secretly bad mouthing me when I'd gone out of the room - just basically wanted to isolate and control me. He never hit me. He never left me naked in a stairwell. I left - because that is enough for the relationship to be very unhealthy. You can't cure someone like this. He may be damaged but it is not your responsibility to rescue him. You have only known him two years. You have no obligation to him.

It took me a while to realise but a good relationship involves sharing interests and values. If you're compatible, you don't need to argue all the time because you'd probably both make the same decision. I haven't had an argument with dh in maybe 10 years. I don't feel I have to look after him - he is a grown man. He doesn't need me to clean for him or iron his shirts. He's capable of doing it himself. If I want to go out and shag other men, that will be my loss. He would say, well if that's what you want to do you'd better go. As such he doesn't need to check my phone or emails. I don't go out every night of the week leaving him with the dc because I actually like spending time with him. I don't go out and get drunk without telling him where I'm going because he would be worried. Not because I feel I have to report to him, but because I would expect the same courtesy from him. Mutual respect.

An absolute deal breaker for me would be any even slight physical violence, any name calling. Mind playing games are harder to detect initially - but yes, if I found out someone was just messing with my head to get a reaction, they'd have to go. It's pathetic and juvenile.

There is no hope with this relationship I'm sorry to tell you - you need to move on. You will find life to be a lot better without him, I promise you. I don't mean to criticise you - I know how hard it is to see what's happening when you're in the thick of it.

eddielizzard · 25/06/2014 17:49

this is horrendous. this is no way to live.

i don't buy it for a second that your kids don't have a clue. they'll pick up on tension when you two are together.

end the relationship NOW. doesn't matter why, how, what. just fucking NOW.

OxfordBags · 25/06/2014 17:52

I'll name one - YouMakeMeHappy. Total abuse-minimising, or, at best, such comprehensive cluelessness on the subject that they really should not be posting. Happy, you come across as having a massive agenda about making women delude themselves that children aren't affected by abuse, and anyone trying to help the OP properly see the truth, even if they're being blunt, are called cruel, disgusting or weird. You are the one trying to shame people into not truly helping by saying they are insulting the OP by telling her the truth. Every time you convince her, or any ither victim, that their children are fine, you collude with the damage done to those children. So shame on YOU.

Deverethemuzzler · 25/06/2014 17:53

Youmakemehappy you have form for posting in the very style you are accusing others of.

Brass.neck.

People are frustrated because it is impossible that these children are unaware and unaffected by this travesty of a 'relationship'

Colluding with the op in the pretence that its all fine is disgusting.

AnyFucker · 25/06/2014 17:54

The only disgusting person on this thread is the OP's abusive boyfriend.

YouMakeMeHappy · 25/06/2014 17:56

Where have I denied that he is abusing her!? I didn't realise it was a matter of opinion. There's no need to mock her, ridicule her and swear at her though. What possible agenda would anyone have for that? Some people have been vile. Of course she should leave, I've said that!

Dirtybadger · 25/06/2014 18:01

I am confused by this thread being labelled as "v. Desperate". In what sense are you desperate OP? Don't get me wrong it is a desperate situation but I am surprised you see that.

You came asking if your dp was abusive. Sounds like you knew he was, but wanted confirmation (I get that). So everyone confirmed he was abusive and the relationship is a car crash. Your response appears to be "thanks for confirming. Ta.". What's desperate about that? Where did the desperation go? Do something. Get out of one anothers lives.

FellReturneth · 25/06/2014 18:05

But YoumakeMeHappy can't you see that sometimes, by being so empathetic and understanding and tolerant of someone's utter nonsense all you do is enable them to continue their nonsense, in the deluded belief that it is less bad than it really is. She needs to be told in no uncertain terms that she is verging on insane and masochistic to stay with this man. Pussyfooting around so as not to insult her makes her feel a bit better today but ultimately sees her beaten bloody tomorrow.

YouMakeMeHappy · 25/06/2014 18:06

Think you have me muddled up with someone else Denver.. I've never been a bully.

Deverethemuzzler · 25/06/2014 18:15

I am confused. Are you calling people bullies or are you accusing me of calling you a bully?

My post is just up there ^ and easy to read.

Melonbreath · 25/06/2014 18:23

Stop playing Cathy and Heathcliffe and end it.

He is an utter utter nasty piece of work. Nobody deserves the treatment he has given you, but nobody deserves the actions you have done either. And you certainly don't deserve the relationship you are in.

end it end it end it. He won't change. He doesn't love you. Anybody that vile cannot truly love anyone.

And stop drinking, or start drinking sensibly.

get some sense and ditch this cunt. Maybe your
behaviour will improve without this knob shiner in it bringing you down.

Itsfab · 25/06/2014 19:25

No, bollocks to that. People are not posting to upset the OP. They are posting because they know she is in an abusive situation and therefore so are her children.

OP WHY are you still with him? If you can't be honest with us be honest with yourself.

FatherJake · 25/06/2014 19:41

Youmakemehappy

I seem like an unhappy person?! FFS not sure where you get that from!! Very happy actually, have two tiny kids. Oldest is only almost 4 but I know how sensitive she is and there would be 0% chance of successfully hiding from her personal unhappiness and an abusive relationship.

YouMakeMeHappy · 25/06/2014 19:42

Never mind Denver

HenI5 · 25/06/2014 22:20

If you read nothing else, read
hellsbellsmelons post of Wed 25-Jun-14 16:10:10

Impressed you took the time to highlight all that as you did hellsbells.
The list is absolutely shocking. 45 individual issues and if anyone I cared about suffered even one of them, I'd be worried sick.

balia · 25/06/2014 22:57

I would never say that a single mum shouldn't be able to go out, enjoy herself etc, but I can't make sense of this - if your DD's are happy... privileged...wrapped up in love, security, happiness, boundaries and discipline as all children need from the moment they open their eyes to the moment they go to sleep then how can you possibly also be 2 hours away, doing all his washing and tidying his flat? Who is looking after them when you are barefoot in the road, getting dressed in stairwells, sleeping in your car, getting wasted in pubs with strangers, and being screamed at in car parks on Boxing Day?

He must spend time with them, as you've said he is wonderful with them Hmm, you know, when he has made a 'big effort' and actually driven to see you, so does he call you a cunt, sneer at you, belittle you all the time, or does he, this prince among men, make sure that he only abuses and belittles you when the children aren't around?

oldgrandmama · 26/06/2014 07:53

Yes, I was wondering that, balia ^^ Where ARE the kids when all the drama is going on?

MorrisZapp · 26/06/2014 09:16

Timescales etc make no sense here at all.