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Pretty desperate (v.v.v.long)

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JustDontWantToSay · 24/06/2014 00:06

It's taken me weeks and weeks to pluck up the courage to post here. I am doing this out of utter desperation. I've hesitated because my DP would be so furious if he found out - the fury I could cope with but he would mock me too, i.e. "oh you think you're hard done by after what you've done," etc., etc. and I find that the most cutting thing of all.

Sorry - I think this may be quite a long post.

Basically I'm not sure whether I'm in an abusive relationship or not. Or whether I'm the problem. Please, please be honest if you reply - I need to know whether I'm going mad or not.

We've been together 2 years. I don't really want to describe the incidents to date because it will out me, but I don't see an alternative if I want valid opinions. I'm a strong character, he's a strong character. We had a complicated start but we knew that we wanted to be together and we worked hard to do that. It was very stressful for lots of different reasons, we really didn't have the best start.

Around 3m into the relationship he lost his temper after a party one night, threw me against a wall and onto a bed, gripped me so hard I bruised and threw me out of the front door of a hotel room into the snow wearing nothing but my knickers. I was only out there for a few seconds though and then he opened the door again. We were both drunk and tension was high. He was mortified the next morning and swore that he'd never do it again. A few weeks later we had an argument in a hotel and he smashed a wineglass in his hand. I left.

Over the next few months we had dramatic highs and lows. The highs were the best days of my life and the lows were the worst. We had a couple of big arguments where he got slightly violent (smashing things, pushing me up against a fireplace and he held a glass against my neck threatening to smash it into me - though this is something he completely denies. Maybe I imagined it. I'm not sure. It was a vivid memory at the time.) In his defence I have to say that I would have been antagonising him by arguing with him. At that point I wasn't one to shy away from a disagreement. His point throughout the relationship has been "you don't know when to stop". His jealousy was getting out of control too. He once marched me home from a bar, physically manhandling me. I didn't want to go elsewhere, but he made it clear that I was within his physical control. On another occasion we were in a restaurant and there must have been something going on; all I remember is him saying "I've seen you look at that table of blokes once, I've seen you look twice, now you do it a third time" - very threateningly. I just stared down at my hands as it was safest after that.

A short while later we split up. Before that, we had some vicious fights (always drink-related, Saturday night, emotions boiling over sort of thing) and I called the police twice, probably unnecessarily and he holds it against me to this day, calling me 'mad', 'attention seeking', etc.

Three times we had a 'last night' together because he was going to end it with me. After the split I was diagnosed with severe depression. Medication helped. We got back together and all was fine until Christmas. We had an argument one night and he locked me out of his house (I had no key, live two hours away) and I stayed in the pub and became aware that there was a table of three blokes next to me and they were talking about something that interested me. To my huge embarrassment now I was so drunk that I went over, joined their table and their conversation for a bit. I can honestly say that by this point I was absolutely desperate for non-judgmental company. Desperate. I would never have gone on to do anything else under any circumstances. Over Xmas I think what happened was that he got annoyed that I was having fun at my parents' without him (he had his own plans) and on Boxing Day I was late to see him (maybe an hour, maybe a bit less, because I was packing) and we had an enormous fight in a car park where he literally screamed at me for an hour or more in public about this pub incident that he had got to hear of. Again, I didn't help matters by trying to slap his face once with a bunch of keys in my hand. To this day he accuses me of punching him with a bunch of keys, and whilst they were in my hand I genuinely didn't intend them to touch him. It was a fraught situation and I made a mistake.

There have been a few incidents since then, too many to recall exactly, but one saw me going to the pub to use the wi-fi to submit some work and because he'd been out all afternoon (I was unreasonably annoyed) I decided to stay there. In retrospect I was crying out for attention and care. Again, I joined a table of people (male and female) and stayed there for a couple of drinks. Not having eaten and drunk far too much I ended up absolutely wasted, left my ipad behind the bar in lieu of paying because I couldn't find my card and stumbled back to his house. His view on the whole night had been "Well, fuck you, if you're out, I'm going out."
In the morning I told him where I'd been and he went ballistic. He threw me and my stuff out of his flat, I wasn't dressed and he made me get dressed in a communal stairwell. He literally threw my bags down the stairs. He said that I was completely disrespectful and selfish. We fought badly that day, but I had behaved appallingly by staying out and getting drunk. He thinks that a woman shouldn't be in a pub on her own.

On another occasion he got angry and threw my shoes out of the window into the road, meaning that I had to go out barefoot to the middle of a busy road and pick them up. The humiliation was horrible. A few weeks ago I drove to see him after a fight and found him in a bar, he was very drunk. He was absolutely horrible to me and threw me physically out his flat and took back the key he'd given me and I had to sleep in my car overnight. He apologised profusely the next day and was sincere in regretting it.

So now we get to this period of time and it's been a rollercoaster. In brief: he is extremely suspicious and jealous, he needs to know all my passwords, if I use my phone when he's not next to me he accuses me of being 'sneaky'. He regularly goes through my phone and computer, etc. and flies off the handle if he sees anything he doesn't like (old photos, etc.) If I use any form of social media he is instantly suspicious and disapproving. He says that I've caused it by lying to him. I do admit that I have lied - but it was only ever about stupid stuff (is that coat new? No, type thing) I know that doesn't justify it.

Over the last few weeks I have been diagnosed with anxiety and have new meds (they're working well). He has been making a big effort to drive to see me rather than the other way around and we've had some spectacular times. We were aiming to spend our lives together and whilst I was totally comfortable with that idea, he wasn't and the pressure was always on - if I put a foot wrong then I wouldn't be a suitable wife. He's always yelled insults at me, but recently he's got really nasty - he's called me a scumbag, a disgusting cunt, a fucking awful person, a complete fucking joke, basically run me into the ground. He says that he only says those things when I am behaving like a disgusting cunt or whatever (this isn't language I would normally use btw). He says that I don't know when to stop and that's why he gets so angry. This weekend I really wanted to go to a special, one-off event which we had planned to attend together, but it had been sold out but a last minute opportunity came up. I was all excited and began making plans to see if we could go and he got immediately cross at one of my ideas (he said that I was 'palming my child off on anyone who would have her' - I'd suggested her staying with someone as an IDEA, it wasn't fixed or a definite plan in any way and I wouldn't have done anything if it wasn't in her best interests.) He got aggressive, nasty, shouted some awful things and I walked out. He said he couldn't go to the event because he had nothing ti wear (specific dress needed) He was appalled at the thought I would go on my own for an hour or so - it was my last chance to see one friend before she moves abroad and a whole group of girls were going who I am friendly with. I really wanted to go,.He later admitted that he'd lied to me about not having clothes because I hadn't walked in immediately and asked him if he wanted to go. I assumed that his previous desire to attend still stood. I wasn't sure all day about going or not and eventually he said that he would rip up my dress to stop me going, and all of my other dresses, though he later said that he wouldn't actually have done it. So I missed the event. He blamed me hugely for 'fucking off and doing whatever I wanted' when I walked out because he was being so verbally abusive. He denies this, but every time I came back he went down the same path and I was trying to make a stand.

Last night was the final straw. Too boring to go into but basically his point was that I have no right to complain about anything he does because of what I've done (nothing not detailed here). He says that I am selfish on a level that he's never experienced before (hand on heart, I'm just a normal person), I'm rude on a daily basis (I'm not at ALL) and he cannot see any fault with himself in any way. He says that he has the right to throw me out of his home and call me names, though he admits it isn't nice. These are things that have been repeated hundreds of times, along with the names. He accuses me of being deliberately deceitful, manipulative, spiteful, that I have 'snidey eyes' and many other things. When I argue he shouts that I'll "say ANYTHING" to win a point (I don't) and he constantly accuses me of lying. He sneers at me, belittles me constantly and mocks me by repeating what I've said in a childish voice. This morning I began to tackle him very gently about his behaviour, knowing that I couldn't take any more, and he turned around and said that he felt he was in an abusive relationship, that I was an abusive person, that I lied and manipulated and controlled him, that I had damaged him completely, that I'd ripped him apart and left his self-esteem at rock bottom, that I was calculated and nasty and would stop at nothing to make sure that he was hurt. Nothing could be further from the truth but he just doesn't see it. He says that anger is the only emotion that I can't destroy so it's all he has to use. I promise that I am just a normal woman, going about my normal life and trying to be the best partner that I can to him. I don't do anything that he accuses me of but he just can't see it. He remains determined that I'm this awful person. He says that I 'suck the life out of him', that being with me is an awful thing. He has isolated me from friends and family but hating me going out with friends, disliking my friends, saying that it's disrespectful to see them. He doesn't believe that I haven't slept with some of them. I just cannot tell him anything. He makes his mind up and that's that. He judges me on things that I simply haven't done. He's called me a whore, a slut and many other things.

What he said this morning has floored me. Am I abusive?? How?? I try every which way to look after him - doing all his washing, cooking for him when I can, giving him drinks and vitamins, tidying his flat, doing little things that he likes and I curb my own tongue all the time so that we don't fight. Now I've reached the point where my self-esteem is so low that the only people who make me feel like a decent person are my daughters. I rely heavily on their smiles, hugs and pictures that they draw to make me feel ok. I am often frightened by him - I know he would physically overpower me if he wanted. I feel undervalued, worthless and not special in any way in the slightest. He says that this is exactly how he feels. The name-calling really upsets me for some reason. They're only words but they do upset me. My friends and family hate him because I've relayed some of his behaviour. He's cross about this and says that I painted him in a certain light and focussed on the bad bits rather than the good.

Flip side? I do love him, I understand he's damaged in some way and we do have some wonderful times. He's done a lot for me.

That's it I guess. Sorry it's so long. I'd be grateful for any feedback. Has anyone else been in this position? What should I do? I am totally isolated, no friends or family nearby. I have no-one to confide in.

PS. The alcohol usage is going to leap out at you. I'd just like to say that we don't drink heavily or every day and it isn't a problem. It just seems to have fuelled fights in the past - so we cut it out.

OP posts:
FatherJake · 24/06/2014 03:18

Is this thread for real? Have seen some extreme threads on this board but if true this is possibly the worst. OP - what the fuck do you think you are doing????? You have daughters, you are in an abusive relationship and you hang about getting smashed in your local pub. If you continue with this horrific relationship (which of course no sane person would) I assume you will at least be sensible enough to call social services and warn them of the extremely dangerous domestic situation faced by your daughters?

KoalaDownUnder · 24/06/2014 03:26

I can't believe that with all the things you've detailed, some people want to focus on the one time you hit back. FFS.

You are being abused. It is not going to get better.

This is going to tear you down until you are no good whatsoever to yourself or your daughters. You MUST end this.

I've been in one of these kinds of relationships. They are vile. And you honestly do end up thinking you've gone completely mad. I'm sure you've done things that haven't covered you in glory, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a damaged, abusive, dangerous man.

I threw an unopened bottle of beer at my ex-partner's head once, and it shattered all over the door frame. Is that violent, abusive behaviour? Yes, of course it is. But I had endured years of exactly the same thing you describe. He wore me down, day by day by day. It was relentless. He called me a fucking cunt, a scumbag, a whore, convinced me I was fat (I was a size 10), accused me of flirting and acting like a slut. Threw me out of the house in the middle of the night, numerous times. Threw me out of his car on the side of the road at 2am. I can't even bear to think about it anymore.

Am I proud of throwing a bottle at his head, and do I think his behaviour justified mine? Emphatically no and no. Do I think it makes me as bad as him? God no.

I look back at the way we lived and it was vile. OP, you have to get yourself out of this now, especially with children involved. It is terribly unfair to them, and to yourself.

KoalaDownUnder · 24/06/2014 03:27

ps. I am assuming you and your daughters don't live with this man. Please tell me this is true.

APlaceInTheSummer · 24/06/2014 03:50

I second everything Koala said.

He is abusive. The relationship is incredibly destructive and is no doubt contributing to your anxiety.

Cut off all contact. Get some counselling to work on your own issues and focus on creating a stable home for your dd.

You need to end this.

YouMakeMeHappy · 24/06/2014 04:35

Oh as if she's coming back after all the horrid replies. She probably thinks she deserves it after so many people saying she is just as bad.

What nasty replies. What has the fact she has children got to do with her drinking? She doesn't live with her partner and the children won't be in the pub with her. I bet she feels like absolute shit now.

OP, you don't deserve any of this. You have to get out, he will never change. He actually sounds mentally ill and I'm worried he could really hurt you.

FellReturneth · 24/06/2014 04:37

I got three or four parapraghs an, and I thought 'iPad in the pub woman.'

Nothing's changed then? Hmm

Do you really need to ask whether you are in an abusive relationship?

As I'm sure you'll remember that everyone told you before, he is an abusive, controlling, violent, bullying narcissistic monster, and you are a messy, argumentative, embarrassing drunkard who really needs to take your head out of your arse and start prioritising your children, who are like bit-part players in your sorry drama of a life. I really do feel sorry for them.

Whoever said this You don't 'love' him, it's co-dependency with histrionics. was bang on the money.

If you are incapable of going out and getting drunk without ending up in a screaming, violent row with your boyfriend on a weekly basis then it's really quite simple, you need to ditch the boyfriend and ditch the booze. I really don't know why you need us to tell you that.

From memory I don't think you live with him, your children are not his, your finances are not tied and there is a fair bit of geographical distance between you, so all of the usual obstacles to leaving the bastard do not apply to you. Grow up, end this appalling excuse for a relationship now, and get some help for your drinking.

FellReturneth · 24/06/2014 04:48

Ah. I see the Tough Love people are getting a hard time here.

The OP said 'Please please be honest if you reply.'

Of course she's a victim, she is absolutely not to blame for his violence and his mental cruelty but that doesn't mean that she shouldn't take some responsibility for her own shambolic and self-absorbed behaviour. The pair of them sound like total nightmares, together or apart.

Zazzles007 · 24/06/2014 04:51

"Basically I'm not sure whether I'm in an abusive relationship or not."

Yes, you are in an abusive relationship. A relationship which is controlling, as well as physically, verbally, and emotionally abusive. When you are pushed to the brink with abusive behaviour, unfortunately you respond with poor behaviour right back. From your posts, he responds very badly to what are quite reasonable actions on your part.

"Has anyone else been in this position?"

Yes loads of us on MN.

"What should I do?"

As other posters have reiterated, lose his numbers, have no contact with him, don't engage and get rid of him. This will not end well, no matter how much you love him. He will grind you down until you don't know yourself any longer Sad. Get out while you can.

Zazzles007 · 24/06/2014 04:53

Hmm, seems there is a back story I wasn't aware of...

YouMakeMeHappy · 24/06/2014 06:59

OK fell, she asked for honesty, I presume she meant yes you are in an abusive relationship/no you are not. She gets

I feel sorry for your children
You are an alcoholic
An embarrassing drunk
You are as bad as he is
You are probably on drugs
You're children school don't live with you

She didn't post anything to say that her children have even met the guy. He lives in a flat and I doubt there is space for them anyway so my guess is that spathe children don't stay over there. I think people on this thread have been cruel to someone who is obviously having a really awful time and who is terrified. She said it had taken her weeks to post, and after this response I doubt she will bother asking for help again.

JustTheRightBullets · 24/06/2014 07:00

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YouMakeMeHappy · 24/06/2014 07:00

Your children shouldn't live with you

vicmackie · 24/06/2014 07:09

I think you need professional input to help you understand why this endless drama is so appealing to you. I cannot believe you stayed with him after the computer in the pub incident - that was months ago.

goats · 24/06/2014 07:21

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Thumbwitch · 24/06/2014 08:08

Do you really have to ask? Hmm
Of course you're in an abusive relationship. The man has hit you, threatened you, gaslighted you, sworn at you, blamed you for everything - what more do you want? are you waiting for him to maim you?
What exactly is it that you "love" about him?

FFS. You are no example to your poor daughters. Get out before they learn that this is how a relationship works - they will follow your pattern. Is that what you want for them? If you can't do it for yourself (which apparently you can't) then do it for them, for their futures.

hilbobaggins · 24/06/2014 08:17

Well done for having the courage to post here.

He is horrendously abusive. Your head has been spun 180 degrees and you don't know which way is up any more. Contemplating spending the rest of your life with a man like this shows just how confused you are after being in this abusive relationship.

The old script "I love him, he's damaged" is very familiar to women in abusive relationships. But this isn't love and whether or not he's damaged is totally irrelevant. There is nothing you can do to save him and more to the point he's going to destroy you and your children if you carry on like this.

Posting here is a brilliant first step and you will get lots of support now to move forward. Well done.

CoffeeTea103 · 24/06/2014 08:17

Ffs be a good mother and put your children first. Your life is wrapped up in this toxic drama and what about your children?Hmm Do you really even have to ask. If this is going on with your kids even witnessing a few of these incidents they don't belong with you.

hilbobaggins · 24/06/2014 08:20

PS

Can we try to remember that getting impatient and insulting with women in abusive relationships ("you are no example to your daughters" etc etc") is not helpful to them? It has taken OP weeks and weeks to pluck up courage to post here....

movingtoourwillow · 24/06/2014 08:21

Please watch BBC3's Murdered By My Boyfriend - you can still get out of this

RoganJosh · 24/06/2014 08:26

Would you treat someone like this?

Serenitysutton · 24/06/2014 08:31

This may not be a popular view but I don't think this is about being abusive on either side as such. You are not a couple and you don't work together

In theory any man and woman could be ina. Relationship, but relationships are so very emotionally involved and intimate that when they are bad we end up acting in a way we wouldn't dream of with a friend, colleague, neighbour etc. Emotions are extremely high and dramas occur.

You sound quite young- by which Mean under 25- and that may be a factor. Booze is absolutely a factor. Being unable to control emotions/ anger another. But your biggest factor, it seems to me, is that you're not suited and not supposed to be together.

This relationship is making you ill. It's not worth it. I agree that there is very little mention of your child which indicates this crappy relationship is consuming you- it's not worth it.

Badvoc2 · 24/06/2014 08:35

He doesn't care for you.
You seem to treat him as a child (doing his washing? Giving him his vitamins?...)
And even though you have dc they do not feature in your op.
You both sound completely self obsessed and needy.
It's not going to work.
But you know that don't you?

Lovingfreedom · 24/06/2014 08:37

I can't believe the aggression to OP on this thread. Talk about kicking someone when they are down. The 'relationship' is horrendous OP. Get yourself and kids to safety ASAP. This man is bad news. You are NOT to blame and NOT just as bad. You do need to get out of this relationship.

Horsemad · 24/06/2014 08:39

You both sound bloody crackers - just split up. NOW.

Serenitysutton · 24/06/2014 08:44

Obviously I wasn't aware of back story. Interesting though, how on here you never know it which could render all this well thought out advice useless really. I imagine the OP thrives off being the victim and this is more fodder?