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Pretty desperate (v.v.v.long)

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JustDontWantToSay · 24/06/2014 00:06

It's taken me weeks and weeks to pluck up the courage to post here. I am doing this out of utter desperation. I've hesitated because my DP would be so furious if he found out - the fury I could cope with but he would mock me too, i.e. "oh you think you're hard done by after what you've done," etc., etc. and I find that the most cutting thing of all.

Sorry - I think this may be quite a long post.

Basically I'm not sure whether I'm in an abusive relationship or not. Or whether I'm the problem. Please, please be honest if you reply - I need to know whether I'm going mad or not.

We've been together 2 years. I don't really want to describe the incidents to date because it will out me, but I don't see an alternative if I want valid opinions. I'm a strong character, he's a strong character. We had a complicated start but we knew that we wanted to be together and we worked hard to do that. It was very stressful for lots of different reasons, we really didn't have the best start.

Around 3m into the relationship he lost his temper after a party one night, threw me against a wall and onto a bed, gripped me so hard I bruised and threw me out of the front door of a hotel room into the snow wearing nothing but my knickers. I was only out there for a few seconds though and then he opened the door again. We were both drunk and tension was high. He was mortified the next morning and swore that he'd never do it again. A few weeks later we had an argument in a hotel and he smashed a wineglass in his hand. I left.

Over the next few months we had dramatic highs and lows. The highs were the best days of my life and the lows were the worst. We had a couple of big arguments where he got slightly violent (smashing things, pushing me up against a fireplace and he held a glass against my neck threatening to smash it into me - though this is something he completely denies. Maybe I imagined it. I'm not sure. It was a vivid memory at the time.) In his defence I have to say that I would have been antagonising him by arguing with him. At that point I wasn't one to shy away from a disagreement. His point throughout the relationship has been "you don't know when to stop". His jealousy was getting out of control too. He once marched me home from a bar, physically manhandling me. I didn't want to go elsewhere, but he made it clear that I was within his physical control. On another occasion we were in a restaurant and there must have been something going on; all I remember is him saying "I've seen you look at that table of blokes once, I've seen you look twice, now you do it a third time" - very threateningly. I just stared down at my hands as it was safest after that.

A short while later we split up. Before that, we had some vicious fights (always drink-related, Saturday night, emotions boiling over sort of thing) and I called the police twice, probably unnecessarily and he holds it against me to this day, calling me 'mad', 'attention seeking', etc.

Three times we had a 'last night' together because he was going to end it with me. After the split I was diagnosed with severe depression. Medication helped. We got back together and all was fine until Christmas. We had an argument one night and he locked me out of his house (I had no key, live two hours away) and I stayed in the pub and became aware that there was a table of three blokes next to me and they were talking about something that interested me. To my huge embarrassment now I was so drunk that I went over, joined their table and their conversation for a bit. I can honestly say that by this point I was absolutely desperate for non-judgmental company. Desperate. I would never have gone on to do anything else under any circumstances. Over Xmas I think what happened was that he got annoyed that I was having fun at my parents' without him (he had his own plans) and on Boxing Day I was late to see him (maybe an hour, maybe a bit less, because I was packing) and we had an enormous fight in a car park where he literally screamed at me for an hour or more in public about this pub incident that he had got to hear of. Again, I didn't help matters by trying to slap his face once with a bunch of keys in my hand. To this day he accuses me of punching him with a bunch of keys, and whilst they were in my hand I genuinely didn't intend them to touch him. It was a fraught situation and I made a mistake.

There have been a few incidents since then, too many to recall exactly, but one saw me going to the pub to use the wi-fi to submit some work and because he'd been out all afternoon (I was unreasonably annoyed) I decided to stay there. In retrospect I was crying out for attention and care. Again, I joined a table of people (male and female) and stayed there for a couple of drinks. Not having eaten and drunk far too much I ended up absolutely wasted, left my ipad behind the bar in lieu of paying because I couldn't find my card and stumbled back to his house. His view on the whole night had been "Well, fuck you, if you're out, I'm going out."
In the morning I told him where I'd been and he went ballistic. He threw me and my stuff out of his flat, I wasn't dressed and he made me get dressed in a communal stairwell. He literally threw my bags down the stairs. He said that I was completely disrespectful and selfish. We fought badly that day, but I had behaved appallingly by staying out and getting drunk. He thinks that a woman shouldn't be in a pub on her own.

On another occasion he got angry and threw my shoes out of the window into the road, meaning that I had to go out barefoot to the middle of a busy road and pick them up. The humiliation was horrible. A few weeks ago I drove to see him after a fight and found him in a bar, he was very drunk. He was absolutely horrible to me and threw me physically out his flat and took back the key he'd given me and I had to sleep in my car overnight. He apologised profusely the next day and was sincere in regretting it.

So now we get to this period of time and it's been a rollercoaster. In brief: he is extremely suspicious and jealous, he needs to know all my passwords, if I use my phone when he's not next to me he accuses me of being 'sneaky'. He regularly goes through my phone and computer, etc. and flies off the handle if he sees anything he doesn't like (old photos, etc.) If I use any form of social media he is instantly suspicious and disapproving. He says that I've caused it by lying to him. I do admit that I have lied - but it was only ever about stupid stuff (is that coat new? No, type thing) I know that doesn't justify it.

Over the last few weeks I have been diagnosed with anxiety and have new meds (they're working well). He has been making a big effort to drive to see me rather than the other way around and we've had some spectacular times. We were aiming to spend our lives together and whilst I was totally comfortable with that idea, he wasn't and the pressure was always on - if I put a foot wrong then I wouldn't be a suitable wife. He's always yelled insults at me, but recently he's got really nasty - he's called me a scumbag, a disgusting cunt, a fucking awful person, a complete fucking joke, basically run me into the ground. He says that he only says those things when I am behaving like a disgusting cunt or whatever (this isn't language I would normally use btw). He says that I don't know when to stop and that's why he gets so angry. This weekend I really wanted to go to a special, one-off event which we had planned to attend together, but it had been sold out but a last minute opportunity came up. I was all excited and began making plans to see if we could go and he got immediately cross at one of my ideas (he said that I was 'palming my child off on anyone who would have her' - I'd suggested her staying with someone as an IDEA, it wasn't fixed or a definite plan in any way and I wouldn't have done anything if it wasn't in her best interests.) He got aggressive, nasty, shouted some awful things and I walked out. He said he couldn't go to the event because he had nothing ti wear (specific dress needed) He was appalled at the thought I would go on my own for an hour or so - it was my last chance to see one friend before she moves abroad and a whole group of girls were going who I am friendly with. I really wanted to go,.He later admitted that he'd lied to me about not having clothes because I hadn't walked in immediately and asked him if he wanted to go. I assumed that his previous desire to attend still stood. I wasn't sure all day about going or not and eventually he said that he would rip up my dress to stop me going, and all of my other dresses, though he later said that he wouldn't actually have done it. So I missed the event. He blamed me hugely for 'fucking off and doing whatever I wanted' when I walked out because he was being so verbally abusive. He denies this, but every time I came back he went down the same path and I was trying to make a stand.

Last night was the final straw. Too boring to go into but basically his point was that I have no right to complain about anything he does because of what I've done (nothing not detailed here). He says that I am selfish on a level that he's never experienced before (hand on heart, I'm just a normal person), I'm rude on a daily basis (I'm not at ALL) and he cannot see any fault with himself in any way. He says that he has the right to throw me out of his home and call me names, though he admits it isn't nice. These are things that have been repeated hundreds of times, along with the names. He accuses me of being deliberately deceitful, manipulative, spiteful, that I have 'snidey eyes' and many other things. When I argue he shouts that I'll "say ANYTHING" to win a point (I don't) and he constantly accuses me of lying. He sneers at me, belittles me constantly and mocks me by repeating what I've said in a childish voice. This morning I began to tackle him very gently about his behaviour, knowing that I couldn't take any more, and he turned around and said that he felt he was in an abusive relationship, that I was an abusive person, that I lied and manipulated and controlled him, that I had damaged him completely, that I'd ripped him apart and left his self-esteem at rock bottom, that I was calculated and nasty and would stop at nothing to make sure that he was hurt. Nothing could be further from the truth but he just doesn't see it. He says that anger is the only emotion that I can't destroy so it's all he has to use. I promise that I am just a normal woman, going about my normal life and trying to be the best partner that I can to him. I don't do anything that he accuses me of but he just can't see it. He remains determined that I'm this awful person. He says that I 'suck the life out of him', that being with me is an awful thing. He has isolated me from friends and family but hating me going out with friends, disliking my friends, saying that it's disrespectful to see them. He doesn't believe that I haven't slept with some of them. I just cannot tell him anything. He makes his mind up and that's that. He judges me on things that I simply haven't done. He's called me a whore, a slut and many other things.

What he said this morning has floored me. Am I abusive?? How?? I try every which way to look after him - doing all his washing, cooking for him when I can, giving him drinks and vitamins, tidying his flat, doing little things that he likes and I curb my own tongue all the time so that we don't fight. Now I've reached the point where my self-esteem is so low that the only people who make me feel like a decent person are my daughters. I rely heavily on their smiles, hugs and pictures that they draw to make me feel ok. I am often frightened by him - I know he would physically overpower me if he wanted. I feel undervalued, worthless and not special in any way in the slightest. He says that this is exactly how he feels. The name-calling really upsets me for some reason. They're only words but they do upset me. My friends and family hate him because I've relayed some of his behaviour. He's cross about this and says that I painted him in a certain light and focussed on the bad bits rather than the good.

Flip side? I do love him, I understand he's damaged in some way and we do have some wonderful times. He's done a lot for me.

That's it I guess. Sorry it's so long. I'd be grateful for any feedback. Has anyone else been in this position? What should I do? I am totally isolated, no friends or family nearby. I have no-one to confide in.

PS. The alcohol usage is going to leap out at you. I'd just like to say that we don't drink heavily or every day and it isn't a problem. It just seems to have fuelled fights in the past - so we cut it out.

OP posts:
SundayLieIn · 24/06/2014 08:46

"Around 3m into the relationship he lost his temper after a party one night, threw me against a wall and onto a bed, gripped me so hard I bruised and threw me out of the front door of a hotel room into the snow wearing nothing but my knickers."

A decent man would NEVER do this. A rational thing to do would have been to leave at this point, 3 months in when he showed his true colours.

OP, I mean this gently, but somehow in your past you have learnt that it is acceptable or somehow your fault when a man is physically violent towards you, and it just isn't true.

Get out of this relationship, get sober and start to get well by looking (with help from a professional) at what has happened to give you this warped idea of an acceptable relationship.

Don't waste another second of your time on this man. Frankly it isn't personal....if it wasn't him you would be playing out the same dynamic with another very screwed up individual instead....this isn't star crossed lovers, its a very poorly sense of self worth and it needs addressing. Good luck.

ChasedByBees · 24/06/2014 08:48

Your relationship is massively abusive. He could kill you. I'm horrified that you have children in this situation , for goodness sakes leave!

Thumbwitch · 24/06/2014 08:49

Can't speak for any other poster, but I read Fell's post before I posted my own.

This is a poster who has posted before about this situation and hasn't changed anything since then.

restandpeace · 24/06/2014 08:54

Last night I watched my boyfriend murdered me, I suggest you go on to iplayer and watch it. Wake up woman, very abusive relationship. Leave now, if not for you for tour dcs.

Pennastucky · 24/06/2014 08:56

It sounds from start to finish like a horrible, toxic relationship. You might be addicted to the 'highs' ....but the lows sound horrendous and seem to pretty much dominate the relationship. This whole 'I love him...he is damaged' spiel is incredibly damaging to you. You have to try to get yourself out of that frame of mind and see him for what he is - aggressive, bullying and yes, abusive.

I feel sad for the children involved, here. They are barely mentioned, yet they must be affected by this.

foadmn · 24/06/2014 09:11

1 Stop drinking altogether.
2 Question your statement 'I do love him'. Can you love someone who behaves so badly towards you? Are you 'in love' with the idea of him?
3 A lot of your post seems familiar.
4 Get out and stay out.

Quitelikely · 24/06/2014 09:14

The pair of you are a disgrace. I hope that your daughters have not witnessed this behaviour or the fall outs from it.

Yous are not suited, it's like he's the petrol and you are the match. Corrosive, harmful and toxic. I think yous are addicted to the whole roller coaster.

This will never end well. Never.

restandpeace · 24/06/2014 09:25

Wow, I can't believe the harsh replies on here.

Quitelikely · 24/06/2014 09:26

The op asked for honest opinions. Nobody is going to tell her he is great but she seems to want confirmation that she is not abusive too. I'm not sure that she isn't being abusive or being equally vile (verbally towards him at least).

I am sure though that exposure to this behaviour is classed as emotional abuse towards the children. That is why childrens services protect children when their own parents can't. I would be surprised if they have been shielded from all of this.

LumpySpacedPrincess · 24/06/2014 09:36

You've posted before haven't you?

Yes you are in an abusive relationship which you need to end. Stop seeing him, block his number and your life will improve a whole bunch sweetheart.

Same advice as last time but hey ho maybe this times the charm, eh.

Lweji · 24/06/2014 09:42

I have been on the other side of someone who was verbally and emotionally abusive and who didn't know when to stop. It can drive you nuts.
On the other hand, he is abusive in so many ways. And could be accusing you of what he actuallly is.

The important thing for you here, OP, is that this is not a healthy relationship at all and could be damaging for your children.
So, for them at least, walk away from it.

It may be that your brain needs the adrenaline, which might explain how you felt after the break up. So, you coul find other outlets for that need. Make sure you have support in place and cut ALL contact with him.

Singsongmama · 24/06/2014 10:07

There are some harsh replies but there are also a huge numbers of posters saying the same things - get out of the relationship, stop drinking, put your child first. I don't think there is anything "harsh" or aggressive about these statements. So OP, if you are still reading, take on this advice and move on with your life in a happier, more independent direction.

Bigglesfliesundone · 24/06/2014 10:33

Was in a very similar relationship myself in my 20's - I drank to oblivion, he was abusive, our little girl saw it, I didn't feel I was worthy, I couldn't get myself out of it as I felt this was what life was now. . I look back and am so ashamed of myself. It is not easy to walk away, not easy at all, but you really do have to.

It is also not always possible to just 'stop drinking', so telling someone to do that when it is obviously something entrenched isn't always helpful.

I shuddered when I read this because it really is like my life was. Please get out, you will reap the benefits :(

MellowAutumn · 24/06/2014 10:38

Walk away and make a real life of calm and happiness for yourself and your children. You deserve better but only you can male those choices for yourself - I do detect and element of enjoying the drama/highs and lows but that doesn't make you to blame, just for whatever reason, not able to recognise the right type of attention and emotions that will make you happy.

FellReturneth · 24/06/2014 10:38

We had a complicated start but we knew that we wanted to be together and we worked hard to do that. It was very stressful for lots of different reasons, we really didn't have the best start.

Am I the only person who has twitchy spidey senses over this comment?

I'd love to know the background to this.

JustDontWantToSay · 24/06/2014 11:10

Sorry - I've only had time to read through a few posts but I felt that I had to respond to the comments about the children immediately. He doesn't live with us, they have seen and know nothing about the drama. They adore him; he's extremely good with children (he has his own). I left them out because they are not part of this. The girls and I are a very secure and happy unit with a calm homelife. I'm a SAHM but I work freelance so I'm around all the time. I could detail many things which show that the girls are happy and settled but I would prefer to keep this as anonymous as possible. Suffice to say I take them to school, pick them up, we spend the evening together baking or doing homework or just chatting then the younger one goes to bed and I read a chapter of whatever book she's on and have a chat about stuff - rainbow loom bands, Harry Potter, fairies, you know :) Then the older one goes to bed and we have what we call "tea and biscuit time" - a chance for an open chat. The most important thing is that I am happy, smiley and calm whilst I do it all (and genuinely enjoy it!). They see absolutely none of the impact of his behaviour, they have no idea.

OP posts:
ItMustBeBedtimeSurely · 24/06/2014 11:13

I also can't believe how nasty posters are being on this thread. This woman is in a horrendously abusive relationship. And no, she didn't leave the first time she posted - so what? I don't know much about abuse but I do know abused partners rarely leave the first time they try, or even the tenth. The poor woman has been gaslighted, she's totally lost perspective (unsurprisingly).

Op, if you come back (which I doubt after the way you've been treated), please please get in contact with woman's aid. They will be able to help you. You cannot stay in this relationship, for your own sake because you are in danger from this man, and for your daughters. And please don't blame yourself.

Lweji · 24/06/2014 11:20

Just, what are you going to do about the relationship?

(note: you don't have to tell me or us, this question is for you to answer yourself - don't need to post here)

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 24/06/2014 11:23

Right, so you are protective where your DDs are concerned, good, but what good is that if you are hurt by this man, if you continue to see him?

Fishstix · 24/06/2014 11:32

It sounds horrendous, I can't begin to imagine how your poor child copes with this emotional roller coaster. He sounds like a bastard, but to be honest it sounds like you could really do with some help too. You are both being abusive to one another to varying degrees. The innocent party in this is your child. Please get out and seek help!

JustDontWantToSay · 24/06/2014 11:33

Thank you for all of the replies - I asked for honesty and I got it. I'm grateful. I'm fairly convinced that I MUST be doing something to at least facilitate this. However:

  • I have never taken any drugs in my entire life, nor had any interest or exposure to them.
  • alcohol dependent.....no. And I have given this a great deal of thought. But I have misused it in the past. I don't now.
  • I don't 'use' my children as emotional crutches - that would be awful. I simply absorb their love and appreciation of me as a person silently and gratefully.
  • I'm not young.
  • I organised counselling months ago, I've been through the initial stuff, referred and the in-depth stuff starts this week actually.
  • I can honestly say that I am not 'equally vile'. Really, truly. Neither am I 'verbally and emotionally abusive'.

Thank you so much for all of the replies and support. I do feel terribly down, very low, but you wouldn't guess if you saw me. In fact, none of you would have a clue what's going on. No-one but two close friends do.
I am no longer prepared to tolerate his behaviour, I've made that clear - hence his accusations yesterday.

OP posts:
Singsongmama · 24/06/2014 11:34

Bigglesfliesundone - advising that OP stops drinking is "unhelpful"? Confused.

No one has suggested that the path ahead of her is easy or straight forward but she wanted advice and that is what has been offered. Advice, sympathy and hands to hold. The way she writes about her daughters makes me think that she will find the strength to stop drinking and end the abusive relationship.

Again, good luck OP, you aren't alone and help is available Thanks

Singsongmama · 24/06/2014 11:36

I am no longer prepared to tolerate his behaviour

Good! You deserve better!

AnyFucker · 24/06/2014 11:37

Don't just "not tolerate" his behaviour, get him out of your life for good. This can only end badly.

Bigglesfliesundone · 24/06/2014 11:37

I understand that - it's just that at the height of my drinking whilst dealing with the associated awful relationship, being told to 'stop' (mainly by my mother...) just infuriated me. I too, finally did it for my children. Was just remembering a similar situation and how I would have reacted.