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DP directing aggressive panic attacks at me

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Sapphire18 · 09/06/2014 11:20

Sorry this is long - basis of it is my partner having panic attacks which are in the form of very aggressive behaviour. Here are the details:

I am looking for advice on a recurring problem with my fiancé. We have been together for 9 years and got engaged a few months ago. It was in the third year of our relationship (when we first lived together) that I first experienced him having a kind of panic attack in which he becomes very aggressive towards me. It has never got to the point of actual violence but this has happened several times and is always extremely scary, upsetting and leaves me feeling really shaken up and tearful. About two years ago it really got to the point where I gave him a sort of ultimatum and he did a stress management course. It seemed to help as he learned coping mechanisms like going for a walk when feeling stressed, and spotting the triggers / warning signs. Since he did the stress management course there have been considerably fewer of these incidents (e.g. once every 6-9 months?) however last night it happened again. The previous incident was 5 months ago.

To give you an idea of what actually happens – it’s usually triggered by his frustration that I am not listening to him / he can’t control or change something. E.g. the previous incident was his frustration at not being able to stop me feeling depressed. Last night it was that he thought I was not listening to him when he was trying to explain to me about a DIY problem we’ve been having.

He uses his physicality to stop me leaving the room when I am trying to end a conversation calmly or storm out in an argument. I have tried to explain I am using the same technique he learned in stress management but he thinks I am dismissing the conversation we’re having.

Last night I told him I didn’t want to talk about the DIY as he was using a very patronising tone with me (and it was almost midnight and I wanted to get ready for bed). He blocked me from leaving the room to go to the bathroom. I repeatedly asked him to move and he refused, saying he wanted to make me understand the DIY problem. I felt trapped and got up on the bed to get out of the room by a different route. He jumped up on the bed and held his arms around my legs so I couldn’t move. I told him he was hurting my knee (which is recovering from a bike accident) and he refused to let go. I repeatedly asked him but he wouldn’t so I pinched his ear and kicked him and hit him. Not hard enough to really hurt but as a warning / to make him let me go. He didn’t let go and got me down on the bed, I calmly told him I would count to 10 and then he was to let me go. I was really starting to panic but I thought if I do I will really lash out and then we’ll both get hurt, plus I am already injured from my bike accident. He let me go on 10 and I went to leave the room but he stood in the doorway and said he wouldn’t let me until I listened to him.

By now things were calmer and we were talking rather than shouting. I told him he must not ever use his physicality over me like that. He was still focused on our disagreement over the DIY and I told him that was so minor by comparison – what I was now concerned at was his bullying behaviour. I was quite assertive that he must never ever do that (but I’ve said that before). I thought we’d de-escalated things and then I can’t remember what happened but he flipped out having one of his panic attacks. When this happens he adopts a really weird tone of voice, sounds really unstable and a bit crazy; he told me I don’t love him, I want him to hurt himself, I want him to kill himself; he threw himself around the room and I was afraid he’d hurt himself or break something; he banged his head against the floor; ripped at his clothes until he was half naked; writhed on the floor and curled up in a ball with panicked breathing and sobbing; demanded I hold his hands to make him feel safe; refused my offer of rescue remedy but then took it. These behaviours are all absolutely typical of when he gets like this. I didn’t know what to do but basically took the attitude I would with a tantruming toddler – being firm yet supportive, and trying to get him out of it without showing any emotion. However I was really torn as I didn’t want him to think behaving in this way is the way to control me or get my attention. I couldn’t seem to do anything right, whether I went near him or backed away. I was desperately trying to calm him as I was afraid he’d wake our housemates and I know when he gets like this he doesn’t care who’s watching and has no shame.

In the end I left him curled up in a ball on the floor and told him I was going to the bathroom but would come back. I was really shaken and panicky and didn’t know what to do. He was begging me not to leave him. When I returned about 2 minutes later he was in bed sobbing, saying he was only asking me to hold his hands because he felt so scared and panicked, and making out I’d been really heartless. I told him he’d really scared me, it was unacceptable and he should be in control of himself. He told me panic attacks just happen – I have experienced them too but I don’t think they necessarily mean lashing out at someone else! Then he was very apologetic, but I couldn’t stand to have him hug me, it just made my skin crawl.

I tried to sleep but couldn’t stand being near him, so tried to go to the spare room. He told me I shouldn’t; that he should; took my pillows off me so I couldn’t leave with them; begged me to stay. We tried again to talk but I was exhausted by now and said we should just go to sleep. He told me I am the one who holds all the power in this relationship, and that he did touch me when he was stopping me leaving the room, but it’s the closest we get to any intimacy these days. Admittedly we do have less sex since moving into a shared house.

This morning he told me he’d been up most of the night having panic attacks, and had to go for a walk to calm down at 5.30am (I did hear him go out then). He was very apologetic, asked me for a hug then got upset when I couldn’t bring myself to. He protested that he hasn’t got like this for ages (it used to happen much more regularly). He suggested we do relationship counselling ‘before we make any commitments’ – i.e. marriage (we’ve talked of this before) and I think it might be a good idea. I am a bit worried at the cost at an average of £50 though, and a little scared at what we might end up saying to one another.

I just don’t know what to do. Whenever this happens I ask myself what I am doing in this relationship. It makes me feel so vulnerable and frightened, and I don’t know what to do. I think he thinks that because he stops short of actually hitting me, it’s ok, or that because he’s panicking when he does it it’s not his fault. When I call it abusive he says I’m exaggerating. I desperately want him to be able to promise me it’ll never happen again but he says he can’t. I am really happy with the relationship otherwise, and excited to be marrying him but I am wondering if this can be overcome or if I should go on accepting that effectively I am with someone who’ll blow up like this from time to time?

Just to confirm, I am not looking for advice to leave him. I am looking for help in managing / eliminating this behaviour and how to address this issue.

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MrsJoeDolan · 09/06/2014 12:42

Maisie what the actual fuck? Your 'advice' is shit.

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 09/06/2014 12:43

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AnyFucker · 09/06/2014 12:45

I thought that was one of maisie's more coherent messages Grin (mind, the bar is pretty low)

At least this time she is agreeing the relationship needs to end.

Maisie0 · 09/06/2014 12:46

Maybe I am the only person who have sympathy for this poor man here. Cos it is a lost of dignity !

fledermaus The Op is controlling in the sense that she does not want to leave him and is "excited" to marry him ? What the heck ? She should dump him asap to begin with and not use this "saviour" mentality to help him this way. Cos to me, it is clear that these two people do not work at all together. Whether it is 9 years or 5 years or whatever. This is what someone wrote clearly "mania". And no adult woman or man should ever drive their partner to this level of insanity. It is not a "mere tantrum". I am so sorry to say that. And the ladies who think otherwise are a little bit deluded imho.

Uptheanty · 09/06/2014 12:50

Does your dp have violent panic attacks directed at anyone else?
Or is it only you.

CookieMonsterIsHot · 09/06/2014 12:51

I am looking for help in managing / eliminating this behaviour and how to address this issue.

You can't. It doesn't work like that. You can't save him from himself.

I desperately want him to be able to promise me it’ll never happen again but he says he can’t.

He has told you very clearly that this behaviour WILL continue. Listen to him.

I just don’t know what to do. Whenever this happens I ask myself what I am doing in this relationship. It makes me feel so vulnerable and frightened, and I don’t know what to do.

You DO know what to do. You just don't like it. Totally understandable of course. Leaving after 9 years will be tough. Of course the longer you wait, the harder it will be.

You sound like a normal, sensible, reasonable person. You know where this one ends, even if you don't like it.

Sod relationship counselling. Spend the £50 on counselling for yourself to help you decide what to do next.

Lancelottie · 09/06/2014 12:51

She's not 'driving him' to this.

OP, don't even try to live with this. And unless you are some kind of mental health expert, don't for god's sake think you can 'manage' it either.

Leave.

And I say that as a parent to a much adored child who I could see behaving this way to a future partner.

SpeedwellBlue · 09/06/2014 12:58

Leave him and please whatever you do don't have kids with him. (I don't think you mentioned that you had any with him.)

pictish · 09/06/2014 13:03

I agree with everyone else...these are not 'panic attacks' at all, they are melodramatic piques of control and abuse. Simple as that.

Lancelottie · 09/06/2014 13:04

Honestly, OP, just get away. For both your sakes.

If that spurs him to go and seek his own help, there's a chance that might work. You hanging around as his mental punchbag is really not going to help. Even on his view you are both his chief cause of stress and his only salvation. That's really not a healthy relationship.

BearsInMotion · 09/06/2014 13:06

DP has MH issues and panic attacks. he says things that are hurtful (we are completely incompatible, I'd be better off without him, he is a complete failure), but

  1. He NEVER threatens or uses physical violence and
  2. Realises what is happening fairly quickly - e.g. if I remind him he forgot his medication

It's hard to live with, but he is ill and this is a small part of who he is.

So I understand what this is like. BUT - even at his worst he would never treat me like your DP has. As others have said, although the panic attacks may be genuine, and terrifying for him, this is also abuse. He has some control, and he is using the panic attack as a weapon against you. You can't manage or eliminate this - only he can do that, with the help f MH professionals.

Harsh as it sounds, ending the relationship might be the best course of action for him too - he may realise his abuse for what it is - until he does that I don't see an end to this :(

myroomisatip · 09/06/2014 13:09

That sounds really scarey. I have suffered panic attacks. This is not him having a panic attack, this is him being an abusive bully.

Please leave him. Asap.

HecatePropylaea · 09/06/2014 13:16

holy crap. You don't want to leave him? Well, fair enough. That's your choice.

You want tips on how to manage or eliminate his behaviour, well, sorry but
you can't manage or eliminate his behaviour. You have ZERO control over that. He does. And he's already told you that he is going to carry on doing it.

You can only manage your responses to his behaviour. And it seems like he won't stop an incident until you are on your knees, begging forgiveness.

You are choosing to marry someone who has been very clear that he is going to continue to treat you abusively. That's up to you. People are allowed to make any choice they like. Hopefully he won't escalate to hitting you. Hopefully if you bring children into this relationship, he won't begin to treat them the same way, because they won't have any choice but to live it. You are making a choice to stay, they won't have that luxury.

I think that, if it is your choice to stay, then you stay knowing and accepting that this is how you are treated. Because he has laid it all out for you and been very clear about it. You can't say he hasn't.

by the way, I don't know what line he's spun you about it being panic attacks - but what you describe is in no way panic attacks. Nothing about his behaviour or what he says to you describes a man having a panic attack. If anything, you are describing someone coldly and calculatedly intimidating you and controlling you with dramatic displays (I wonder if someone else was watching this would they be able to notice for example that he managed his head hitting so that it caused him no injury, or that he snuck glances at you to ensure that you were watching him?)

If you want to tell yourself that it is a panic attack because that's what he tells you it is, that's up to you. If you want to stay with him and be treated like this, that's up to you. If you want tips and advice on how to eliminate someone else's behaviour - there aren't any.

Roseflowers · 09/06/2014 13:17

Sapphire, I've suffered from horrendous anxiety and panic attacks, please listen to me and others when we say that what he is doing/ going through is not a panic attack. He's using the sympathy associated with 'having a panic attack' to excuse some pretty horrendous behavior. I have also suffered domestic abuse at the hands of someone with a mental illness, and it went exactly as you described. Initially we would have a tiff and he would physically prevent me from leaving the room. Then it escalated to hurling my handbag across the room into walls if I attempted to get my keys/ phone and leave. Finally, he punched me in the face (and more). After these attacks he would curl up in a ball and cry/ threaten suicide/ completely fall apart. This is exactly the way your other half is behaving. Please, please don't stay with him.

tribpot · 09/06/2014 13:17

I agree. At minimum you need to live separately whilst he works on his issues. That so-called panic attack could very easily have escalated last night to the point where you were seriously hurt or worse. He is not safe to live with. Whether you continue the relationship may be a different matter but you are not a qualified MH professional and it's not your job to diagnose, treat and manage him.

The claim that you hold all the power is a classic deflection technique, btw. I think you would do well to talk this through with Women's Aid.

halfwildlingwoman · 09/06/2014 13:17

Agree with others. This is not a panic attack. He's given it that name because it's more acceptable than admitting that he is behaving like an overtired toddler. "I know I hurt you but it's all your fault and you have to fix it by holding my hand." Please. This man needs help that you can't give. You are not his mother and he is making you unhappy.

Lancelottie · 09/06/2014 13:18

The second chunk of your description (the throwing himself round the room and writhing) is sounding like my son mid autistic meltdown.

Actually, the first bit with the rising frustration and absolutism about something minor sounds awfully familiar, too.

Don't kid yourself that you can 'fix' this, OP.

halfwildlingwoman · 09/06/2014 13:19

Oh God OP, listen to Roseflowers. I'm sorry you went through that Roseflowers. I had a friend in a very similar situation. Luckily she got out just before he escalated to punching her.

Lancelottie · 09/06/2014 13:21

I see I'm disagreeing with the trend on this thread. He may being being deliberately manipulative, or he may have a permanent or temporary condition.

Either way I don't think you are helping by putting up with it.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 09/06/2014 13:25

Hope you're OK OP. Conscious that you haven't come back to the thread and hope that the opinions of others (especially the insensitive idiot that tried to blame you Hmm) haven't added to the stress that you are so clearly under. Do take time to think over what has been said, even if it has come as a shock and do keep yourself safe. He has some serious problems, you're not responsible for his behaviour and you do not have to tolerate the continued abuse.

Jan45 · 09/06/2014 13:28

That is not a panic attack, that is a man who cannot control his temper and feels entitled to lord his physical and emotional power over you, by making you in the end feel sorry for him.

Sorry but he really has issues that need addressing now, I'd be asking him to go and come back when he can treat you like a normal human being.

AnyFucker · 09/06/2014 13:31

I think what maisie was trying to say in her usual nonsensical, cackhanded way is that there is codependency here, and I would agree with that

OP feels that if she could simply say or do the right thing she could head off these "episodes". She feels a need to stay with him for some reason (hence the "don't tell me to LTB plea), that she can "rescue" him for himself

All complete bollocks of course, and guaranteed to absolve this bloke of all responsibility for his own behaviour and to escalate the situation. I suspect he shows her just enough "nice" behaviour imbetween abusing her to keep her there, hanging on the for the man he could be and she can help him do that.

magoria · 09/06/2014 13:33

The stuff before the 'panic attack' is enough for me to say get the fuck away from a man who restrains you against your will and refuses to allow you to leave.

The other stuff sounds like very controlled violence to control you. One day it will be aimed at you.

Miggsie · 09/06/2014 13:38

No one can "fix" him other than himself and a very experienced professional.
Anyone who puts up with him is enabling his behaviour and preventing him from seeking help.
First step is he needs to realise he is unhealthy and want to change
As he has not got to that stage yet the only thing you can do to help him is leave
He'll move onto a new victim, as he certainly doesn't seem to want to change or recognise that he should.

Blithereens · 09/06/2014 13:39

Sweetheart, he's not having panic attacks. He's doing this on purpose to control you into accepting abusing behaviour. He's calling them panic attacks so he can get away with it. I have seen this kind of behaviour myself. Your post was very familiar to me. This is a very specific kind of controlling abuse.

You can't do anything to change his behaviour, you can only change your own. You need to leave him. I'm sorry to say that, because it sounds like you do love him, but he's abusing you and it's only going to get worse.