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DP directing aggressive panic attacks at me

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Sapphire18 · 09/06/2014 11:20

Sorry this is long - basis of it is my partner having panic attacks which are in the form of very aggressive behaviour. Here are the details:

I am looking for advice on a recurring problem with my fiancé. We have been together for 9 years and got engaged a few months ago. It was in the third year of our relationship (when we first lived together) that I first experienced him having a kind of panic attack in which he becomes very aggressive towards me. It has never got to the point of actual violence but this has happened several times and is always extremely scary, upsetting and leaves me feeling really shaken up and tearful. About two years ago it really got to the point where I gave him a sort of ultimatum and he did a stress management course. It seemed to help as he learned coping mechanisms like going for a walk when feeling stressed, and spotting the triggers / warning signs. Since he did the stress management course there have been considerably fewer of these incidents (e.g. once every 6-9 months?) however last night it happened again. The previous incident was 5 months ago.

To give you an idea of what actually happens – it’s usually triggered by his frustration that I am not listening to him / he can’t control or change something. E.g. the previous incident was his frustration at not being able to stop me feeling depressed. Last night it was that he thought I was not listening to him when he was trying to explain to me about a DIY problem we’ve been having.

He uses his physicality to stop me leaving the room when I am trying to end a conversation calmly or storm out in an argument. I have tried to explain I am using the same technique he learned in stress management but he thinks I am dismissing the conversation we’re having.

Last night I told him I didn’t want to talk about the DIY as he was using a very patronising tone with me (and it was almost midnight and I wanted to get ready for bed). He blocked me from leaving the room to go to the bathroom. I repeatedly asked him to move and he refused, saying he wanted to make me understand the DIY problem. I felt trapped and got up on the bed to get out of the room by a different route. He jumped up on the bed and held his arms around my legs so I couldn’t move. I told him he was hurting my knee (which is recovering from a bike accident) and he refused to let go. I repeatedly asked him but he wouldn’t so I pinched his ear and kicked him and hit him. Not hard enough to really hurt but as a warning / to make him let me go. He didn’t let go and got me down on the bed, I calmly told him I would count to 10 and then he was to let me go. I was really starting to panic but I thought if I do I will really lash out and then we’ll both get hurt, plus I am already injured from my bike accident. He let me go on 10 and I went to leave the room but he stood in the doorway and said he wouldn’t let me until I listened to him.

By now things were calmer and we were talking rather than shouting. I told him he must not ever use his physicality over me like that. He was still focused on our disagreement over the DIY and I told him that was so minor by comparison – what I was now concerned at was his bullying behaviour. I was quite assertive that he must never ever do that (but I’ve said that before). I thought we’d de-escalated things and then I can’t remember what happened but he flipped out having one of his panic attacks. When this happens he adopts a really weird tone of voice, sounds really unstable and a bit crazy; he told me I don’t love him, I want him to hurt himself, I want him to kill himself; he threw himself around the room and I was afraid he’d hurt himself or break something; he banged his head against the floor; ripped at his clothes until he was half naked; writhed on the floor and curled up in a ball with panicked breathing and sobbing; demanded I hold his hands to make him feel safe; refused my offer of rescue remedy but then took it. These behaviours are all absolutely typical of when he gets like this. I didn’t know what to do but basically took the attitude I would with a tantruming toddler – being firm yet supportive, and trying to get him out of it without showing any emotion. However I was really torn as I didn’t want him to think behaving in this way is the way to control me or get my attention. I couldn’t seem to do anything right, whether I went near him or backed away. I was desperately trying to calm him as I was afraid he’d wake our housemates and I know when he gets like this he doesn’t care who’s watching and has no shame.

In the end I left him curled up in a ball on the floor and told him I was going to the bathroom but would come back. I was really shaken and panicky and didn’t know what to do. He was begging me not to leave him. When I returned about 2 minutes later he was in bed sobbing, saying he was only asking me to hold his hands because he felt so scared and panicked, and making out I’d been really heartless. I told him he’d really scared me, it was unacceptable and he should be in control of himself. He told me panic attacks just happen – I have experienced them too but I don’t think they necessarily mean lashing out at someone else! Then he was very apologetic, but I couldn’t stand to have him hug me, it just made my skin crawl.

I tried to sleep but couldn’t stand being near him, so tried to go to the spare room. He told me I shouldn’t; that he should; took my pillows off me so I couldn’t leave with them; begged me to stay. We tried again to talk but I was exhausted by now and said we should just go to sleep. He told me I am the one who holds all the power in this relationship, and that he did touch me when he was stopping me leaving the room, but it’s the closest we get to any intimacy these days. Admittedly we do have less sex since moving into a shared house.

This morning he told me he’d been up most of the night having panic attacks, and had to go for a walk to calm down at 5.30am (I did hear him go out then). He was very apologetic, asked me for a hug then got upset when I couldn’t bring myself to. He protested that he hasn’t got like this for ages (it used to happen much more regularly). He suggested we do relationship counselling ‘before we make any commitments’ – i.e. marriage (we’ve talked of this before) and I think it might be a good idea. I am a bit worried at the cost at an average of £50 though, and a little scared at what we might end up saying to one another.

I just don’t know what to do. Whenever this happens I ask myself what I am doing in this relationship. It makes me feel so vulnerable and frightened, and I don’t know what to do. I think he thinks that because he stops short of actually hitting me, it’s ok, or that because he’s panicking when he does it it’s not his fault. When I call it abusive he says I’m exaggerating. I desperately want him to be able to promise me it’ll never happen again but he says he can’t. I am really happy with the relationship otherwise, and excited to be marrying him but I am wondering if this can be overcome or if I should go on accepting that effectively I am with someone who’ll blow up like this from time to time?

Just to confirm, I am not looking for advice to leave him. I am looking for help in managing / eliminating this behaviour and how to address this issue.

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ShergarAndSpies · 15/06/2014 20:42

OP - just from a factual point if view - the statistics that the treatment programme gave you may not be a realistic representation of what to expect.

A meta-analysis in 2002 showed USA treatment programmes to have about a 40% success rate (ie no repeat offending, generally proven through no polic involvement). All these men however had ended up on the programmes as a result of police / court intervention.

The rate of success for non-treated men was 35% by comparison.

There are very few studies of men entering treatment programmes voluntarily - and most authors suggest overall only 1-5% of abusers can actually change permanently.

Which suggests to me that the rate of success for men who haven't been arrested / charged / convicted and publicly labeled and punished as abusers is going to be much much lower than the 30% the treatment programme reported to you.

Because 'volunteers' haven't actually been properly punished yet, have they.

ShergarAndSpies · 15/06/2014 20:45

And I guess the 95% abusive marriage : 5% happy marriage might look a little different to the 70:30 odds.

It certainly does to me.

mateysmum · 15/06/2014 20:55

Please Please don't marry this man.

He abuses you
He exerts physical force to restrain you.
You are scared of him
You feel insecure and vulnerable around him
He blames you for HIS problems

Stand back and realise that all of these alone are good reasons not to marry him.

eddielizzard · 15/06/2014 20:58

i think postponing is the right thing to do. if he is truly committed the only way you can start to trust him again is for time to pass, him to feel stressed, and show you that he can break that abusive cycle.

even then he may revert if he wants. if you have a family, sleep deprivation, lack of time, new responsibilities etc. really puts pressure on a relationship. how would you feel if he had one of these episodes while you had your baby in your arms? or your baby was crying in another room and he won't let you go to them?

it's hard now, think very carefully over the next year, and make sure that if you do commit yourself, there are no niggly thoughts in the back of your mind.

orangefusion · 15/06/2014 21:36

I am another who has just read the whole thread and Sapphire I can sympathise with how you must be feeling- it must feel overwhelming to have come on here and asked for a bit of advice and got hundreds of people "shouting" at you to leave. It must be hard to hear your own thoughts amongst all that cacophony.

That said, it is hard to offer anything more, as all the posters have shared so much to try to shed light on what you are facing; other than ask that you find quiet space quickly to talk this through, with a professional- a DV or Women's aid counsellor so that you can make your decision.

What will influence your decision to postpone now? Your parents are fine with it. You have a form of words you can use to tell people, you know that there is a support network out there for you. What else is getting in the way of postponement? I am worried that you say you "think" you are going postpone, it rather suggests that you are still not there and I wonder what it will take for you to say "I have postponed" or "I am going to postpone- my mother is writing the postponement messages now".
What is it that is preventing you from taking that step? It is postponement, not cancellation (yet). Marriage is for life, waiting another year or two to make that commitment is neither here nor there in the scale of things.

Sending you wishes of quiet time to think and strength to make the decisions.

NettleTea · 15/06/2014 21:48

Are you being offered any support through the programme?

Just lookin g at RESPECT (as opposed to relate, who quite often are complete bollocks) and their perpetrators programme

They meet once a week for about two and a half hours in the evening for anything between 20 to 48 weeks (depending on the programme). They are not anger management classes.

A domestic violence perpetrator programme is the most appropriate type of help for men who are abusive and violent toward their partners.

*How do domestic violence perpetrator programmes keep partners safer?

Every domestic violence perpetrator programme should have an attached service for partners offering information and support. In fact, a domestic violence perpetrator programme without such a service for the woman who has suffered the abuse is likely to increase the risks towards her rather than promote her safety.*

I havent heard you mention any programme and support that you will be getting, and this is why many are very surprised about you just continuing to live with him as if he is off to attend an evening class for a few weeks.

as an aside - why Barnados and not Respect??

MexicanSpringtime · 15/06/2014 21:53

Boulie I hope you get organized and get out. My daughter had the same problem but fortunately had me as well and separated from my partner when the baby was two months old after he had an attack of rage and pulled her by the hair while she was holding the baby, then took hold of the baby while he shouted at her at the top of his voice.

It took a few weeks before the baby became the happy, contented baby she had been before. As a psychologist said, she absorbed his anger.

unrealhousewife · 15/06/2014 21:54

OP has already said that the perpetrator programme will be supporting her if that's what she wants.

Sapphire18 · 15/06/2014 22:10

Hi all, thanks for your messages. It's been a really exhausting week and I think I need to take a break from looking at this thread to mull things over myself.
Someone asked what the dv programme is - it's affiliated by respect and they were the ones that referred him to it. It's run by Barnardos in our area but respect regulates it. Thanks for all your support, I'll keep you posted but will take a short break for now. Thank you all xxx

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SmashleyHop · 15/06/2014 22:12

Sapphire I hope you are ok- Postponing is a great decision. Maybe stay with your friend or parents for a few days to let the dust settle (also just in case he does not take the news well) Be strong!! We are here for you!

unrealhousewife · 15/06/2014 23:02

Sapphire remember you were very young when you got together,. It's not often that people find their life partner at that age, we don't have very good character judgment at that age.

Probably just as well you are off for a while as you don't want to be identified. All the very best to you and I'm sorry this thread has been so overpowering but sometimes that's exactly what's needed.

CharlotteCollins · 15/06/2014 23:19

That could be a good plan, OP. I know that it was a long time before I could work out what I wanted to do and sometimes listening to forceful advice from others made it even harder to think for myself.

Please please please take a break from him, too, and stop talking constantly to him about it. Have a week away from him, so that you can mull things over properly. Then you can go back. If your relationship is good, then a week apart won't affect it, will it? But it really will help you to think.

captainmummy · 16/06/2014 08:55

Sapphire - overwhelming, I know.

But I;m surprised that Respect have said it's not a condition that he is not in a relationship [with the abused] when he does the course.

Anyway - You could postpone the wedding, give him back his ring and still be in a 'relationship' with him, just without the pressure of wedding, marriage, divorce

You could still be with him, help him if you think you can, but still have the door open to leave, if it doesn't work out. And then if it does, in a few years, you can marry then. (Or find someone better!)

unrealhousewife · 16/06/2014 09:32

OP I think the kindest thing for you will be to NOT be in a relationship while he sorts himself out, at least for a while.

I understand that you need a hug from the man that you love but I urge you to find a friend for that purpose. Staying in a relationship with him at the moment and hoping for comfort will be a bit of a mindfuck. I would tell him no contact for a few weeks while you gather your strength and get some perspective. I'm sure you can find comfort from family and friends.

In some ways you need to let go of him in order to let him get in control of his life again. Both of you will go through big changes as the dynamic of your relationship is going to be turned upside down and inside out.

PlumpPartridge · 16/06/2014 13:48

op, I cancelled my own wedding 6 months before the day.

I was 24, planning to marry my very first bf (23yo), whom I'd been with for 3 years.

I cancelled because I could no longer cope with his behaviour of claiming to idolise me and revere me above all others, but prioritising all others ahead of me in practice (particularly young pretty females). I had tried and tried to explain that I was hurt by his behaviour and pleaded with him to stop it. He cried, looked sad, promised to stop, didn't. He had a massive panic attack once and pretty much said that he was scared he'd attack me one day. I tried so hard to make all his problems go away, but I couldn't.

The final straw came when we both made a trip overseas to see my family for Xmas (a big deal as my family are religious when it suits them and weren't keen on my bf visiting as it was socially not really acceptable). I spent the whole time pretending to be happy about my upcoming nuptuals (the next summer). It was horrible. I also spent most of the time asking him, quietly, to PLEASE stop contacting his current pet female project whom he thoguht was in desperate need of his protection. It never even occured to me that he might be probably was cheating on me. I was so gullible.

We came back here and I broke up with him 2 days later. I just physically couldn't keep pretending things were fine - it was too hard. He was devastated and - get this - immediately dumped the girl who he couldn't bear to abandon only days before. Now THAT made me furious as well as devastated myself. He couldn't possibly leave her when I looked like I'd put up with it, but he ditched her seemingly without a second thought when I threatened (or so he thought) to leave. I wasn't threatening at all. I had said 'I cannot cope with this, so I am leaving.' He interpreted that as being 'You have to dump her or I'll leave you', as an ultimatum. He only stopped the hurtful behaviour when he thought there might be consequences for him.

Well, fuck him. I called it off, held firm against the mountains of letters declaring his undying love, deleted the texts, ignored the flowers. I cancelled all the wedding arrangements, told all my family and friends that I didn't want to discuss it. In fact I emailed my friends telling them just that - that I didn't want to discuss it but the wedding was off. They were wonderful and all very, very supportive - everyone was except my awful mother.

It was without a doubt the hardest thing I have ever done but I am absolutely certain it was the right call. I am now married to a lovely man who has NEVER made me feel like that, ever. I have never had to defend his behaviour to myself or others, never had to minimise, never thought he was a lying twat.

Please pm me if you'd like to talk. I think I do understand a bit of how you feel (although obviously not all as we're different people).

Thanks
stinkingbishop · 16/06/2014 14:14

partridge Smile.

Itsfab · 16/06/2014 18:41

Good for you, PP. WineCake.

no capital p's, I'm afraid Confused.

Itsfab · 16/06/2014 18:50

How did that happen?

ConfusedConfused

DocDaneeka · 16/06/2014 21:59

While you try and fix the unfixable and deny what you know to be true you will never meet the man who would cherish you, make you feel loved, safe and secure and who will always, always respect you

This

Good luck OP. Whatever you decide.xx

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