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Twat walked out again tonight

271 replies

dingdongdoodlebug · 10/05/2014 21:46

My goodness me I sometime hate myself for how much i am unable to break free from this fucker.

I spent around 2 hours in the kitchen tonight making his favourite 3 course meal.... when attempting to fire off the creme brulee i burnt them. I was upset cause the rest of the meal was just lovely.. so i said the f word a few times in front my MY 12 year old DS (not his). DS giggled. But fuckhead said it was inappropriate (this tosser is always swearing thought not the f word...). I said oh fuckityfuckwits i am really upset i burnt this.

So he then stuffed the said creme brulee down his greedy neck and walked out. He doesn't live with us [thank the lord] but what a rude ignorant twat he is

Sorry. I am bloody so annoyed and sick to death of his pathetic excuses for walking out. He is a 51 year old man ffs

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh

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dingdongdoodlebug · 18/05/2014 16:52

Different name. i can see the bad things but nothing in life is perfect. DS likes him and asked when he is coming over next :(

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dingdongdoodlebug · 18/05/2014 16:53

Going to look at baggagereclaim for a bit and then to my mums for dinner with DS. But seriously, I cannot take much more, I have never, ever, ever been anything like this before. I feel i am going nuts!!!!!

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IAmNotAMindReader · 18/05/2014 16:57

He treats you like shit, has ruined your life in so many ways (some fixable, some not) and you are the one who has to do the running and talk him round.

Would you treat anyone the way he has treated you?

No you would not. So why do you think it is acceptable for him to? He will not change his ex has warned you of that and its come from his own mouth with the counsellor doesn't think there's anything wrong with me bollox.

Mourn the relationship you could have had if he was a decent human being but accept that he isn't and would only ever hurt you more. You could give him everything and it would never be enough, he would move on, blaming you all the way for the failure of the relationship. You would be left broken and wondering how you could have changed the very core of yourself to please him (nothing).

Lweji · 18/05/2014 16:59

He is used to people running after him and probably gives him an ego boost.

No wonder when it's good it's amazing. It takes a lot of energy to have that level and he can't give it.
Normal people who keep long term relationships have good, even excellent, relationships. But amazing is for the first few months and for the cycles of abuse.

differentnameforthis · 18/05/2014 17:02

but nothing in life is perfect

Oh I know that. My marriage has it's issues. But if my dh treated me like this, we wouldn't be married much longer.

The absence of perfection isn't a bad thing, the absence of his respect of you, is.

And I bet your 12yr old doesn't know half of what you have told us, does he?

dingdongdoodlebug · 18/05/2014 17:04

Yep re ego boost. He does have low self esteem - well, I don't know. He thinks I hate him. After his walk out he sent me a nice long email about why it won't work and it is all because he thinks underneath it all I hate him... esp with the recent trouble he has caused me.

I don't hate him (yet) and have told him that I think he actually hates himself so thinks I do to hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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differentnameforthis · 18/05/2014 17:04

Why do you think YOU fix it all when things like this happen?

Because he thinks running after you is beneath him.
And he knows he doesn't need to do it, because he has you so well trained, that you will eventually do it.

DeMaz · 18/05/2014 17:05

Fall in love? But for how long, Ding before he gets all wankerish again?

If he doesn't make contact with you at all, what does that say about your relationship? Any other human being would've been on the phone fighting to keep you and trying to save your relationship!!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 18/05/2014 17:06

"Well how about I ask him if he wants to try it but he HAS to seek IMMEDIATE help? I really fucking love this fucker and when things are good they are amazing"

What is there to love about this man, narcissists after all have made the terrible choice not to love. He does not love you, he sees you as someone to manipulate and use.

Define amazing as well with regards to your second sentence. Narcissists are persuasive and charming most certainly but they are incapable of handing any relationship at all; you've seen that all too clearly with his own now adult children.

Why can't you break free of him totally?. Is he really that much in your head?. You have a choice re him after all and that choice you should make is to completely cut him off from your life. He has already cost you 2 years of your life, 2 years you will not get back. Do not give him any more.

I do not think you have any idea at all of what a normal emotionally healthy loving relationship with a man is like because you've never had it. Your parents never showed you that and you have no frame of reference now. You certainly will get nothing but pain with this particular narcissist, why do you want to potentially keep going back for more even now?. In the hopes he will someday change, these people do not change.

What is your own bottom line in relationships, its set far, far too low currently and he has taken full advantage of your previously depressive state. He is the root cause of your anxieties now.

Narcissists as well are averse to therapy and do not do very well at all in any therapy sessions. Infact they are decades worth of work for even the most experienced and savvy of therapists.

Why do you love such a man at all?. You need to ask yourself some very difficult questions about your own views on relationships. You do realise of course it is not possible to have any sort of relationship with a narcissist. He will destroy you if you let him do that - and he will destroy your son as well in the process.

IAmNotAMindReader · 18/05/2014 17:06

apologies missed a bit in the brackets (nothing you changed would have been enough).

There's a difference between the normal ups and downs of a relationship and what you have experienced, a big difference and respect or rather his lack of it for you is part of it.

People with normal ups and downs don't have ups so high, they can't maintain it long term, no one can. However they also don't have such god awful lows because they have more respect for their partner than to put them through that.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 18/05/2014 17:08

You are most likely codependent and in relationship terms that is a complete disaster.

The inherently dysfunctional “codependency dance” requires two opposite but distinctly balanced partners: the pleaser/fixer (codependent) and the taker/controller (narcissist/addict).

Codependents — who are giving, sacrificing, and consumed with the needs and desires of others — do not know how to emotionally disconnect or avoid romantic relationships with individuals who are narcissistic — individuals who are selfish, self-centered, controlling, and harmful to them. Codependents habitually find themselves on a “dance floor” attracted to partners who are a perfect counter-match to their uniquely passive, submissive and acquiescent dance style.

As natural followers in their relationship dance, codependents are passive and accommodating dance partners. So how can they stop being such natural followers?

Codependents find narcissistic dance partners deeply appealing. They are perpetually attracted to their charm, boldness, confidence and domineering personality.

When codependents and narcissists pair up, the dancing experience sizzles with excitement — at least in the beginning. After many “songs,” the enthralling and thrilling dance experience predictably transforms into drama, conflict, feelings of neglect and being trapped. Even with chaos and conflict, neither of the two spellbound dancers dares to end their partnership. Despite the tumultuous and conflict-laden nature of their relationship, neither of these two opposite, but dysfunctionally compatible, dance partners feel compelled to sit the dance out.

When a codependent and narcissist come together in their relationship, their dance unfolds flawlessly: The narcissistic partner maintains the lead and the codependent follows. Their roles seem natural to them because they have actually been practicing them their whole lives. The codependent reflexively gives up their power; since the narcissist thrives on control and power, the dance is perfectly coordinated. No one gets their toes stepped on.

Typically, codependents give of themselves much more than their partners give back to them. As generous — but bitter — dance partners, they seem to be stuck on the dance floor, always waiting for the next song, at which time they naively hope that their narcissistic partner will finally understand their needs.

Codependents confuse caretaking and sacrifice with loyalty and love. Although they are proud of their unwavering dedication to the person they love, they end up feeling unappreciated and used. Codependents yearn to be loved, but because of their choice of dance partner, find their dreams unrealized. With the heartbreak of unfulfilled dreams, codependents silently and bitterly swallow their unhappiness.

Codependents are essentially stuck in a pattern of giving and sacrificing, without the possibility of ever receiving the same from their partner. They pretend to enjoy the dance, but really harbor feelings of anger, bitterness, and sadness for not taking an active role in their dance experience. They are convinced that they will never find a dance partner who will love them for who they are, as opposed to what they can do for them. Their low self-esteem and pessimism manifests itself into a form of learned helplessness that ultimately keeps them on the dance floor with their narcissistic partner.

The narcissist dancer, like the codependent, is attracted to a partner who feels perfect to them: Someone who lets them lead the dance while making them feel powerful, competent and appreciated. In other words, the narcissist feels most comfortable with a dancing companion who matches up with their self-absorbed and boldly selfish dance style. Narcissist dancers are able to maintain the direction of the dance because they always find partners who lack self-worth, confidence and who have low self-esteem — codependents. With such a well-matched companion, they are able to control both the dancer and the dance.

Although all codependent dancers desire harmony and balance, they consistently sabotage themselves by choosing a partner to whom they are initially attracted, but will ultimately resent. When given a chance to stop dancing with their narcissistic partner and comfortably sit the dance out until someone healthy comes along, they typically choose to continue their dysfunctional dance. They dare not leave their narcissistic dance partner because their lack of self-esteem and self-respect makes them feel like they can do no better. Being alone is the equivalent of feeling lonely, and loneliness is too painful to bear.

Without self-esteem or feelings of personal power, the codependent is incapable of choosing mutually giving and unconditionally loving partners. Their choice of a narcissistic dance partner is connected to their unconscious motivation to find a person who is familiar — someone who is reminiscent of their powerless and, perhaps, traumatic childhood. Sadly, codependents are most likely children of parents who also flawlessly danced the dysfunctional codependent/narcissistic dance. Their fear of being alone, their compulsion to control and fix at any cost, and their comfort in their role as the martyr who is endlessly loving, devoted, and patient, is an extension of their yearning to be loved, respected, and cared for as a child.

differentnameforthis · 18/05/2014 17:14

He does have low self esteem ... it is all because he thinks underneath it all I hate him

No he doesn't (low self esteem). It is his act to make you think he is vulnerable. Because then you will want to 'look after' him, so you are more likely to go running back.

He doesn't think you hate him at all. He is playing you op, playing the "woe is me" game. Getting you back onside by making you feel sorry for him. Making ALL this about him.

That shows his narcissistic trait off wonderfully. He has upset you, but his whole email & correspondence with you is about HIM! How HE is suffering (because he thinks you hate him), and how HIS suffering is worse than yours.

Any apology? No, because he is suffering worse, apparently.
Any thing from him to suggest trying again? No, because this isn't about you, it's about him & what YOU do to entice HIM back to you, when he is clearly the one in the wrong.

If you stay, op...how long before you lose your family, like you did your job?

How long will it be before your son cops it?

Or he starts in on your son?

When you son sees him for who he is (because he will), and stops thinking he is cool, what happens when he hurts your son?

Or how about, what will you do when you son starts treating you the this guy does? And treats his g/f the same way...because op, all you are doing is showing your son that this is how a relationship is.

differentnameforthis · 18/05/2014 17:17

what will you do when you son starts treating you the way this guy does?

Lweji · 18/05/2014 17:37

Did you reply to that email?

As others pointed out, that email was designed to that you'd tell him that you love him and you'll show how much and never disagree with him or ask anything of him, should he think you hate him.
It was basically written for you to chase him.
I was surprised he hadn't contacted you.

Just remove yourself from this mess and start telling people you are over. It will make it more real for you.

Lweji · 18/05/2014 17:44

And he may well have low self esteem, but he gets boosters from putting down other people and controlling other people. He basically sucks his self worth from others by stepping on them, not from joining forces.

As a codependent, as it seems you are, you also have to look at your control issues. You think you can make things better, but you can't. It would have to be him and he won't change unless he wants to. So, let go.
It's hard but it's the only sane and safe attitude from you in relation to this man.

dingdongdoodlebug · 18/05/2014 19:22

Wow. That's some heavy reading and real food for thought.

I did reply and said I didn't hate him and I think it is he who hates himself. The email was massively long and I didn't respond to most of it cause it was his ridiculous take on matters and our relationship that are so way off.

So, how do I stop? If I am codependent - this is new. Although possibly had a couple of relationships like this whilst very young I certainly haven't for the last 15 years or probably longer. What do I do?

Just non contact is not working. Its making me obsessive and worse at the moment. I start CBT - will initial consulation on Thursday so hopefully that wil l help.... but until then?

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cjelh · 18/05/2014 19:33

Thats a hard one, do anything else you can!!!! It takes real will power thats for sure. I think it has to be distraction to start with. Choose to do something else, choose to block his emails/calls. Its the same as any other habit - its as hard to break as you let it be!!!!

dingdongdoodlebug · 18/05/2014 20:55

Done a factory reset on phone so number well and truly gone. And relax

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Raskova · 18/05/2014 20:56

Well done!!!!! Now stop thinking so much!!!!!

dingdongdoodlebug · 18/05/2014 21:23

If only :)

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cjelh · 18/05/2014 22:16

thinkings alright - Its acting on the thoughts that will get you into troubleSmile

Lweji · 18/05/2014 23:39

I ended with someone about a year ago. He was not abusive (although there were some yellow flags, IMO), but I reached the conclusion that it was not for me.
Sometimes, I get those feelings that maybe I overreacted or was not really fair, but then I recall the reasons why I was not happy and that led me to end it.
It's easy to forget the bad bits, because we'd rather feel good than to keep remembering when we felt bad, but in this case, you will have to focus on the bad times.
This is a man who, at the first sign of something not going his way, just takes off and cuts you off. How does that make you feel? This is him. The amazing parts are just him reeling you back in and you being hopeful that he is amazing and he won't be a bastard again. The cycle of abuse.

dingdongdoodlebug · 19/05/2014 07:03

Wll I am ashamed to admit that sadly I did contact him last night and am annoyed with myself today. I just sent him a version of miss muffet with the ogre rather than the spider frightening her away (DS and I used to call him the Ogre cause he is very big and muscly and reminds me of one). He wrote back Tip for Miss Muffet: Stay away from revolting old cock faced ogres then. Those were the names I called him on the night he walked out.

i know. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. He is obviously still clinging onto every bad word I said about him. Its amazing - he divorced his first wife about 15 years ago and he hates her, with venom. I keep telling him to let it go cause it will make him ill. His reasons: she became fat and ugly and was lazy around hte house (reason he left her) and then turned kids against him (supposedly) why he hates her now.

Oh dear. I am not going to beat myself up about it cause i feel stupid enough as it is. But at least number well and truly gone after phone reset. :(

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IAmNotAMindReader · 19/05/2014 07:16

This is the proof you need that he isn't giving you a second thought beyond the same hatred he has towards his ex. If you maintain contact he will make you pay for everything. He doesn't care about your point of view, he will never see your side. He is quite happy to live like this and you cannot change him.
You on the other hand are addicted to a damaging individual who you are letting destroy everything in your life. Like an addict you will lose everything if you don't get help to stop now.

Raskova · 19/05/2014 07:25

Well better you contact him saying that than how you want to sit on his tuffet.

I'm sure that will have reminded you what a cock he is. No harm, no foul Wink

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