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Anyone have or want a old fashioned relationship ? Do men just want to take the lead ,?

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Blossum123 · 21/04/2014 10:42

I'm new so if in the wrong place sorry .
Iv been married 10 years - 2 children . I have worked a lot of hours while bringing the kids up - iv now changed jobs and we have a more traditional role where he is the main wage provider and I'm at home and support him . Our relationship is so much better . I can really see the benifits of a more traditional relationship - anyone found the same ?i love being his wife and taking care of him and in return he does the same x

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hercules1 · 24/04/2014 21:40

Your posts are chilling because you seem to be incredibly submissive (which is your point i guess) and you readily accept someone having this level of control over you. Tbh lots of men (decent normal ones) would not want this in a relationship either. If I want something then I control if and how I get it. If I don't want something then I control this too.

Blossum123 · 24/04/2014 21:41

Add message | Report | Message poster AnyFucker Thu 24-Apr-14 21:37:57
You keep swopping and changing your focus. First it is housework, then it is handing over the decisions around how the family lives it's life.

Which is it ? Or both ?
I don't understand why u r getting so agitated ?

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AnyFucker · 24/04/2014 21:41

No, feminists say that women should have the choice so you are mistaken.

The fact is, you didn't have true choice because your husband is lazy and entitled and manipulated you into getting so exhausted by working and running the house singlehandedly you have managed to rationalise handing over all your autonomy to him

Clever fella

hercules1 · 24/04/2014 21:42

No, it's not, op. I find it very difficult to understand how any person, man or woman, cannot believe in equality.

AnyFucker · 24/04/2014 21:42

Agitated ? Does engaging with you mean I am "agitated" ? What a strange response. My posts are perfectly calm and rational.

badbaldingballerina123 · 24/04/2014 21:45

I think there has been a power struggle and this take the lead thing is perceived to be a solution by both. It's not really possible to take the lead about holidays if your not dealing with the finances. Surely he has to check with you if you can afford it ? Sounds like he enjoys playing the role more than anything.

To some extent I think I know what your trying to achieve. I was previously married to a sap , shit with money , shit with kids, shit with everything really. I was expected to do everything and all jobs fell on me , it wasn't fair and I didn't like it. Despite that he felt he should be in charge and that I should defer to him. I never did because he wasnt fit and couldn't handle something as simple as finances.

Blossum123 · 24/04/2014 21:45

Your posts are chilling because you seem to be incredibly submissive (which is your point i guess) and you readily accept someone having this level of control over you. Tbh lots of men (decent normal ones) would not want this in a relationship either. If I want something then I control if and how I get it. If I don't want something then I control this too.

As u will of read in my previous posts ,I gave up a stressful job as it left me very unwell with all the stress.having him take over a lot of the practical stress/ decisions has allowed me to recover .
I could also see the benefits of this ,and how we both seemed happier . This is not to say I'm a compleat silent partner .i choose , unless it was enormously important ( like retraining as I said earlier ) that I tend to let him decide .

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hercules1 · 24/04/2014 21:48

Perhaps if he been a supportive partner who did his share of housework you wouldn't have had to give up your job.

Blossum123 · 24/04/2014 21:48

Add message | Report | Message poster AnyFucker Thu 24-Apr-14 21:42:41
Agitated ? Does engaging with you mean I am "agitated" ? What a strange response. My posts are perfectly calm and rational.
I think u seem overly agitated and found ur response odd -although it's very difficult to judge via text speak

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Blossum123 · 24/04/2014 21:50

Add message | Report | Message poster hercules1 Thu 24-Apr-14 21:48:01
Perhaps if he been a supportive partner who did his share of housework you wouldn't have had to give up your job.
Perhaps ? He was doing 60 hours most weeks something has to give - as I was only doing 40 I was physical at home more . The housework was a small part of my unhappiness with my previous profession tho

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badbaldingballerina123 · 24/04/2014 21:51

If your husband had pulled his weight with housework and kids homework you might not have found work so stress full.

I have a new partner , he's not a sap like my ex and I trust his judgement and value his opinion. Sometimes I defer to him about stuff , and to be honest , after babysitting an adult for years it's nice sometimes but there's a fine line. If he ever made jokes about I can have whatever I want as long as I'm up for sex and his tea is made , I would seriously rethink things. That's a disgusting opinion to make and lowers you to a servant with holes.

AnyFucker · 24/04/2014 21:52

I am not using text speak, you are.

Blossum123 · 24/04/2014 21:57

I feel much happier since leaving such a stressful profession .as I said we hired a cleaner it didn't work . I personally feel for us it works better with me at home .i am glad to have a rest from a situation that made me ill . This was my choice . He would of happily plodded on with the cleaner or accepted the house been his standard of acceptable . It was my choice.
I'm happier being at home .i am going to retrain but no Immediate plans to return soon .
I'm certainly not being bullied or manipulated- the situation suits me .so please don't be concerned

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hercules1 · 24/04/2014 22:00

Op, nothing wrong with being a sahp. It's the control thing and your submissiveness I find disturbing.

Blossum123 · 24/04/2014 22:06

Bad balding balerina sorry wouldn't let me quote u .
Yes it is nice to let him make the decisions. That's not to say we don't talk about what we both want - but ultimatly I let him get on with it - and tbf e normally picks what he knows would make me happy .

He sets off to work at 3-4 am and is often not home with travel times till 6 pm ( occasionally latter ) so as u can imagine he didn't do much with their homework - how could he ? Realistically unless he is going to Hoover at 1 am it was going to happen ! Their homework would be done by 6 and he would help the bath routine .if he worked 6 days he would be exhausted the 7 th day and we would often go out as a family .if he works 5 days that would be the week he would help more . But as he was getting up around 2 am he would be in bed for 8 .

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Blossum123 · 24/04/2014 22:09

Add message | Report | Message poster hercules1 Thu 24-Apr-14 22:00:13
Op, nothing wrong with being a sahp. It's the control thing and your submissiveness I find disturbing.
Is it submissive if u choose it ? I don't see myself as a Sahm tbh - they are school age . Yes I do the school runs and the t time stuff but 9-4 I'm child free .i see my role in supporting him.
He earns more than I could has a stressful job and has little choice over the hours. I'm happy to do it and never intended to alarm so many people !

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Blossum123 · 24/04/2014 22:15

Hercules I said earlier I was uncomfortable as felt a little guilty that he was working so much - although now I defiantly don't as half of mums net think im a abused woman !
Apart from the hours he does and getting used to contributing very little financially I'm very happy .i started the thread to see if others had found a more traditional set up less stress ful and happier . It's seems to of come across wrong and gone on a tangent .
Thankyou for ur time tho and at least I won't worry he's got it haft now ! - oh and I think il avoid the feminist section !
Good night

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FrontForward · 24/04/2014 22:17

You don't alarm me :). A very different life to mine but I'm not reading any dastardly plan by a controlling man to make you submit to his will. I'm reading into it that you both want to live lives that don't really fit people's idea of what is correct and proper in 2014...and people can't accept it

Pregnantberry · 24/04/2014 22:26

Our relationship is "traditional" in the sense you mean. I am taking a break from working in childcare to be a SAHM, and then want to do a primary PGCE (which I actually would have been starting this year but we got a surprise PG).

Though I can accept that this sounds like hell for a lot of people, I really do believe that it is a 'choice' on my part, because I have always been interested in child development and that's what I wanted to work in, so it makes sense that I would want to stay at home with my own kids while they are little. I didn't just get married and give up my career in something else to change nappies and wash my husband's undies.

Before I met him, my OH was actually a stay at home dad for a year when my step son was a baby, and it was hell for him, he hated it and it made him miserable. At least with him having had that experience though I know he won't be resenting me and thinking I have it easy.

For us, this is the obvious way around to do it and we are both fulfilled in what we do, but it isn't for everyone.

Offred · 24/04/2014 22:44

It's nothing to do with the work or who does it. It is to do with equality. Like I've said all along this way of conducting a relationship, letting him take the lead, is fine until you disagree with him which in actual fact means it isn't fine at all...

Offred · 24/04/2014 22:51

I don't know how anyone can possibly, after reading that 'taking the lead' means what I thought - letting him be the traditional 'man of the house', say 'it isn't what I'd like but if it works for you!'. Really?! There is no problem with an adult woman giving their partner control over their life because he is a man?! Really?!

Ok op, you've been run into the ground by responsibility and I can now see why it is attractive to you to be let off the responsibility but beware the possibly extremely high costs involved in what might have begun as temporary relief from stress related illness.

blueshoes · 24/04/2014 23:30

OP wants to be a little wifey-poo. That is her prerogative own lookout

behappywithwhoyouare · 24/04/2014 23:37

Yes we have a traditional set-up here too. For us it was a deliberate and conscious choice. I have always wanted to look after my children full time and actually enjoy keeping the house. I am militant about it, (which ironically irritates DH sometimes) When DH and I were dating we talked about what we wanted to do when we had DCs. I'm not sure we would have got married if DH had resented the thought of being the main earner in our home, although I did work up until 7 months before DD came along.

I do most of the housework and caring for the DCs. But I see it as a fair trade off as DH works long ours to provide for us. Actually I feel I get the better deal as once the house and important stuff is done I get to go on outings with DCs, I am loving this period of their lives and am glad I'm not missing any of it. I also get more time for my hobbies, and can spend time looking after my mum who suffers with Chron's disease.

As regards being submissive, I suppose I am to a degree. I rarely argue with DH and make sure I devote lots of time to him when he finishes work, and his dinner is mostly always ready for when he arrives home. We are happy with things this way. He doesn't give me an allowance, but we have a joint account and I make sure all the bills are paid. Sometimes I mention something I like and DH surprises me with it so I rarely end up going into the account for personal things that I don't put in our normal shopping.

It works for us. I have to say it is partly my personalilty as I am happiest at home surrounded with by my family and creature comforts. My home is my sanctuary and energises me. I find I am less stressed mentally (have suffered from depression in the past in my teens and early twenties and had a very unsettled home life) I am lucky to have a husband who doesn't mind giving me the choice of staying at home and doesn't think working outside the home is more important.

Although other people (mostly women interestingly) are a little Hmm when I tell them I voluntarily stay at home, frankly I'm really tired of apologizing to strangers for my choices. The only person whose opinion matters to me ultimately is DH and he says he's happy with the status quo. And our family is happy and we've been doing things this way for 5 years now.

If the financial situation changed I would go back to work, but I know I would be more stressed and less able to juggle all my other responsibilities with the same focus I am able to give now. If it works for you OP own it, be happy, and stuff everyone else.

Offred · 24/04/2014 23:47

Am I reading the same thread as other people?

The op is talking about traditional in the sense of 'letting the man take the lead' not as in their traditional division of labour but as in deferring to his opinion and allowing him to make choices about what she does with her life for her because he is the man. She's asking if other people also 'let their man take the lead' and if 'this is just what men like?'

It is not about being a SAHM. I do all the cooking and cleaning in my house and always have (h moved out in sept) I now wash Bf's pants etc even though he doesn't live here and still do all the cooking for xh as he is here for tea every day. I look after the children, am studying for a law degree and do volunteer work and xh still works and supports the family. It is about deferring to the man of the house's choices and trusting that he has your best interests at heart.

morethanpotatoprints · 24/04/2014 23:52

I do think a lot of the critics of couples taking a traditional set up, don't get it.
To me its empowering and the wife/mum is totally in control.
I manage all the home and have done the lions share of everything, although dh has taken a share.
I always wanted to look after our kids full time and gave up a fantastic career and business to do this.
The best bit is managing my own time and the money, it puts you totally in charge.