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Oh fuck, I really need a hand holding tonight.

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HeadFairy · 10/04/2014 02:16

Just found out that dh is cheating on me.... He's been out on the lash tonight and yet again he texted to say he's staying up in town. I texted him to ask if he was having an affair, he went all coy on me, pretending he didn't know what I was talking about. But I found his online dating profile on his iPad and his browsing history had searches for 5 star hotels in Dublin. We're not planning to go to Dublin. He's just said he's coming home to talk.... And now I'm shitting myself.

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BOFster · 10/04/2014 22:27

Yes, you are better than he deserves at the moment- he is very lucky not to be out on his arse. You are nobody's fool, I'm sure; just keep hold of that self-respect as you deal with this. Nobody here wants to see your good nature taken advantage of, and I hope he appreciates your faith in him.

HeadFairy · 10/04/2014 22:37

Thanks BOF, you are kind.

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BitOutOfPractice · 10/04/2014 23:23

Oh op. I'm not sure what to say but I can hear you trying to square it all on your mind to make sense of it all.

Try and hold on to how you felt last night and believe your instincts.

In general if it walks like a duck, it looks like a duck and it goes quack quack, then it's a duck

Good luck. I have a feeling you might need it x

Monty27 · 10/04/2014 23:29

Anyfucker reading/listening to this must be almost the worst case of, I'm sure you have a word for it, I don't. Its almost text book :(

OP listening/reading this is just awful on every level. How can you defend him? You can't even, imo defend your defence of him. Shock

Cock shots aren't the worst of your problems.

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MrsThor · 11/04/2014 01:15

I would take a step back and watch and wait. You need to know if these issues are genuine, if he does feel bad for what he has done and agrees there is a problem then he should be the one to seek help

His behavior over the next few weeks will tell you a lot. He should be suggesting how he fixes this, he should be thinking of strategies to help and change his behavior. Do not do this for him, set yourself some boundaries and distance yourself
In my experience the stuff that you find is only the tip of the iceberg, it is unusual to find the only thing they have done....there is usually more

MichelloBarner · 11/04/2014 06:03

Op don't feel like you have to justify your interpretation of events to the resident "he's a man therefore a bastard" people.

Bruha I often think there is a strong anti-men agenda on the Relationships board, but in this case I really don't. The OP has been had, hook line and sinker, and her H must be breathing a high sigh of relief while she runs around after him, soothing his brow and saying 'there there, poor baby, I see now that none of this is your fault because you've been a victim of your upbringing so you can't help yourself.'

Hmm
MichelloBarner · 11/04/2014 06:37

HeadFairy I completely understand why you are not prepared to throw the towel in over this. But you do need to start putting down some pretty strict ground rules. Forget the couples counselling. Just tell him from now on how it will be.

He will come straight home from work
He will only go out drinking once a month
He absolutely will be on that last train, not spending fortunes on cabs
He absolutely will not be sending any texts to say he's 'crashing in town'.
He will agree to answer your calls/texts while he is out and not give you any crap about no signal, out of battery, couldn't hear the phone, etc.

Have a phone that rings and vibrates simultaneously, keep it on the loudest/highest settings and keep it in your pocket. How hard can that be?

(Just where does he crash exactly, and how much does that cost, anyway? Hmm)

Do you think it's likely he's developed a habit/addiction to lap dancing bars or prostitutes, rather than having an affair?

And perhaps it's time you suggested one of those phone tracker things, so you can know exactly where he is when he's out. If he works in the city and he's doing the 'few beers after work' think then he should have no need to be more than half a mile, a mile at most, away from his office or the station, should he?

I'm sure plenty of people disagree with those trackers in principle, but his reaction to you requesting one should tell you all you need to know on that score. If he really has nothing to hide and he wants to reassure you then he'll agree to it.

Or you don't lay down any ground rules, you let him carry on, and you get a private detective. That way you'll know pretty quickly what exactly you are dealing with here.

And start looking at his spending patterns on your bank statements. Is he drawing out unusual amounts of cash when he usually pays for everything on card? Does his credit card statement or bank statement corroborate whis whereabouts on his nights out? If he's crashing in hotels can you see the bills on his statement?

MyGastIsFlabbered · 11/04/2014 06:43

Head

Can't offer much advice on your situation as such but DH & I went to Relate recently & honestly it saved our marriage.

AnyFucker · 11/04/2014 07:08

If somebody has to do so much monitoring of their partner in order to feel safe in their marriage, then they have no mariage at all Sad

beachyhead · 11/04/2014 07:36

Headfairy, I do feel for you in this situation. I know you've said that he is sorry and he's shut down the fb account, but what is he actually going to DO to regain your trust ?

It all seems to be you, investigating counselling and trying to analyse why he's done this. I would ask him to sort this, preferably away from home, and see what he does. Time to stop mothering him, I'm afraid.

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sprite25 · 11/04/2014 08:06

Op couldn't help but pick up on something you said, that we learn how to be from our parent's right? Could you not realise then that while he learnt to be distant/ closed off and abit messed up by his dad, you learnt from your mum 'bending over backwards' to please her rubbish dad that no matter how badly someone treats you, you should be the one to keep going back for more in the blind belief that they will change? You talk about counselling etc. but has HE agreed? Has HE taken any steps to find a counsellor? Had HE done any research for help? Sorry but like others have said I think while your doing all you can to find him the help he 'wants' he's probably just glad he's got away with it this time. If he feels pressure to be a better dad surely he should fulfil it by coming home to his kids not running off and getting drunk all the time?

Itsfab · 11/04/2014 08:30

HeadFairy has made her choice and we should respect that. I understand the wanting to be sure what has gone on and to try and get things back to where she thought they were. I gave someone a second chance - albeit he "only" hit me, we weren't married, no children and were only about 22 - but I didn't want any if only's as I had that with someone l left when I didn't want too as still loved them. We were back together for about 1-2 weeks but I don't regret it as I was sure then it was right to leave.

I wish you well HeadFairy. Remember that you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to apologise for and he has all the apologising and growing up to do.

HeadFairy · 11/04/2014 08:44

Just a quickie before I dash out this morning. I'm surprised that people think I'm bending over backwards and soothing his brow. It may come across in my posts that I'm appeasing him but truly I'm not, and if you think I am you don't know me at all (which of course you don't Grin) There's no appeasing going on, believe me. He is looking in to counsellors, I've checked his computer, everything has been deleted. I've made it very clear to him he's on a very short leash. He was supposed to be going to a leaving do tonight and he's not going now.

Definitely no lap dancing bars or prostitutes. I know every penny he spends. Unless he has a secret job and secret bank account in which of course if he's managed to keep that hidden from me for 5-10 years then we 're fucked. I seriously doubt that he has. I'd bet my house on it (and it is mine, paid for with my money)

When he crashes in town he stays with a (male) friend from work.

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MichelloBarner · 11/04/2014 10:32

Anyfucker I agree, but the point is, is he capable/willing to allow that level of monitoring in the short term, and to making the changes she insists on, in order to show her is committed to her, and in order to demonstrate that he has nothing to hide?

Of course in the long term she shouldn't be having to do that. But it would be a bit like putting a naughty child on report at school - they either change and pull their socks up, or they prove they are incapable of good behaviour so you expel them. Smile

AnyFucker · 11/04/2014 10:34

All the best of luck, HF

I hope he manages to deserve the massive chance you have given him x

MoonlightPicnic · 11/04/2014 11:25

"He will come straight home from work
He will only go out drinking once a month
He absolutely will be on that last train, not spending fortunes on cabs
He absolutely will not be sending any texts to say he's 'crashing in town'.
He will agree to answer your calls/texts while he is out and not give you any crap about no signal, out of battery, couldn't hear the phone, etc. ..."

"And perhaps it's time you suggested one of those phone tracker things, so you can know exactly where he is when he's out. If he works in the city and he's doing the 'few beers after work' think then he should have no need to be more than half a mile, a mile at most, away from his office or the station, should he? "

Isn't all the above elements of Domestic Abuse? I think such conditions would only serve to reinforce his behaviour.

and how many of you would be happy to help break up a family because the guys been a prat-Honestly.

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MichelloBarner · 11/04/2014 16:42

Moonlight I completely see where you are coming from, and if a man suggested all those things for a woman who had done nothing to cause alarm, then yes it would send up a big red flag of Emotional Abuse, (and yes I acknowledge that if a woman was making those demands of a man she would probably play the victim and say it was due to her 'anxiety issues') and there would be uproar on here( so long as the monitored person were a woman Wink) , and I'd be the first in line to say it was wrong.

But this is about a man who has been behaving very badly being prepared to do whatever he is asked to demonstrate to his wife that in spite of his odd pervy online habits she has nothing to fear and he has nothing to hide.

As I said, it would be a short term period of adjustment (if he agreed to it at all and if he is anything other than completely contrite and wanting to keep hi family together then he'll do it.

But I doubt he will.

MichelloBarner · 11/04/2014 16:43

God sorry that was a crap post, I'm on the wrong end of a couple of holiday drinks. hope it made some sense. Grin

CrushingCandies · 11/04/2014 20:09

HeadFirst, just reading your words about how a bad father can effect his kids, do think about what's in store for yours then.

AnyFucker · 11/04/2014 22:23

Women who cling on to men like this at all costs are not really thinking about the effect on their kids, imo