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mortified at BIL and reaction to request for loan

240 replies

vexedveg · 03/04/2014 00:31

I have name changed for this.
I was not sure where to put this thread but hoping this is the right section

I want to give a bit of background to avoid drip feeding so bear with me. This outpouring is lonnnnnnnnnng!

DP and I dont have a lot of spare money - less so these days like alot of people but we are lucky to have got by to date with no credit cards, no loans and no debts ( apart from mortgage).. We lead a relatively frugal life and are v careful with money - dont really go out alot and our last family holiday was 4 years ago (was able to combine it with a work related trip to keep flight costs down). I buy most of our clothes from charity shops / car boot sales. We do however make sure DD gets things like swimming classes, membership of a running club.

we have one DD and pg with number 2.

I dont come from a well off background but my family is close and all help each other out as much as possible, whenever we can. I struggle with asking for any kind of help from people, including my family and have never owed anyone any money. Personally i find it really hard but also know i have been very lucky not to be in that position until now.

DP's family is somewhat different and alot more money focused. He is the youngest son with 2 older brothers, very successful in the financial sector in the city. They lead very different lifestyles to us and refer to us as the paupers and black sheep of the family. I have never had a v good relationship with eldest BIL, just very different people with different views and values. He once told me that i "should go home to the other f**king gypos". His words not mine. I am Irish.

He however is always offering to help us out and has repeatedly told DP that if there is ever anything he can do help out -including with money - to just ask, he is there for him and nothing would be too much. He always tells us how many millions he has in bank, how much he makes a month etc etc. He has laughed at our flat -saying that its overall value wouldnt even cover the value of his broom cupboard.
We never ever have asked for anything ( and even paid his share of MIL's funeral a few years ago when he refused to contribute.)

We both work FT earning just less than average salary each and live in a small flat in a building with other home buyers and some housing association tenants.

2 weeks ago we were presented with an unexpected bill for 25 k each for compulsory work in our area on subsidence - a bolt out of the blue and a total shock. We do not have those kinds of savings and my family in no way has access to that kind of money.

DP's first thought was to ask BIL to help out and I refused, wanting to explore all other options first. Have spoken to council about a repayment plan and tried to look at how to balance our books and fit in the repayments over the 2 years we have been given as well as cope with my mat leave. DP finally persuaded me that he would ask BIL for a LOAN for 1/3 amount which we would repay with interest- not to be given it as a handout or to keep.

We spent ages coming up with an email, basically explaining the situation and stating that we would really appreciate the loan, would repay it as soon as we could, how hard we both found it to ask but of course, if it wasnt possible it was not a problem and we would go back to the bank. i honestly felt sick writing it and v v embarassed at sending it.

I was dreading his reply but didnt expect what we got.

He didnt get back for a week, fair enough. When he did, he told us that he has been trying to find ways to get us out of paying at all, speaking to the council and pretending to be our debt adviser. he told them we are in massive debt and will not be paying.
he says he wont give us a loan as he thinks this would be propping up our lifestyle, that this will be a valuable life lesson and that he thinks we should be supporting the banks through a loan from them. He also said that he found it strange that we would not be able to find that amount as it is such a small amount. He also sad he was angry that we would approach him in the first place and it wasnt his fault that I came from "tinkers and layabout" stock. He said he was embarassed that his own brother would have to stoop so low as to ask for a handout. We didnt.

we have since found out that BIL shared our email with other family members in a - "jeez - what are they like" and "cant quite believe I have a brother so low on the social rung"

i feel very hurt and embarassed. Not at that he isnt going to give us a loan but at what he said. DP is shocked that when he finally had to ask for something, this is what has happened. I am also angry that even when he knew how hard we found it to go cap in hand for a loan, he shared this and is basically making a laugh of us behind our backs.

I suppose i am not really asking for advice - we will get through it somehow but wanted somewhere to vent.

well done for making it to the end... Smile

OP posts:
picnicbasketcase · 06/04/2014 19:09

I think I'd be sorely tempted to email him saying 'Thanks for nothing, you skinflinty miserly lying chiselling cunt. It was a loan, not a cash gift we were asking about, and shouting about our business among as many people as possible is the action of an unmitigated sweaty cockhound. May your every shit be the texture of a hedgehog.'

But obviously, you shouldn't really. On the bright side, if there is one, it's one less awful person that you never need to have anything to do with again.

BecauseIsaidS0 · 06/04/2014 19:17

OP, you sound lovely and your BIL a nasty piece of work. I have the highest respect for nurses (that's what your DH does, right?) and the uttermost disdain for people who can only talk about the money they have.

NotDavidTennant · 06/04/2014 19:25

I can't for the life of me fathom why your DH still has any contact with these people.

DameFanny · 06/04/2014 19:29

I've read the thread with my jaw dropped. After the last text I'd be tempted to go back with a concerned "do you think you're spending enough to make it up to DN for having a sociopath for a father? And throwing in a for good measure.

Hope you work things out with the council. From what you've found so far it does sound as though someone is pulling a fast one somewhere along the line...

StealthPolarBear · 06/04/2014 19:44

So there are actually people who equate being rich with being superior?
That said he sounds like a parody. Possibly his whole involvement in your life so far has been a sick practical joke? This man cannot be real

StealthPolarBear · 06/04/2014 19:45

What's his wife like?

TeenyW123 · 06/04/2014 19:49

BIL sounds like he knows the cost of everything but the value of nothing.

Hissy · 06/04/2014 19:56

Jesus christ! I thought my own sibling was the biggest bitch ever, but she's a rank amateur in comparison to your bil.

It shrieks jealousy doesn't it? He's jealous of your happiness!

myrtleWilson · 06/04/2014 20:07

My jaw is on the floor! What an arse. You and your DH sound lovely! I know someone up thread mentioned the need of the LA to serve notice, allow you to view quotes etc and sounds like you're getting somewhere with other residents. I work in housing so feel free to PM if there's anything I can do...

winkywinkola · 06/04/2014 20:10

There are loads of people who consider wealth to make them a superior species.

ithaka · 06/04/2014 20:15

Your BIL sounds vile. He sounds exactly like that Harry Enfield character 'I appear to be considerably richer than you.' But that character was a pisstake, it is hard to believe someone could genuinely be so crass. At least you know you married the right brother.

Tiredemma · 06/04/2014 20:18

what a cunt.

lauren222 · 06/04/2014 20:20

Sounds like BIL is making up for his feelings of inferiority. I am sure that you have plenty of things that he doesn't - a strong & loving marriage, careers that actually add value to people's lives and the ability to enjoy the things that really matter. I would disown him.

Glad to hear that you've got some promising lines of enquiry. I'm wishing you the best of luck.

msmoss · 06/04/2014 20:21

Your BIL really is a prize A cock Shock

Although if he wasn't you may never have posted this and received all the great advice that you've put to great use - so maybe every cloud really does have a silver lining Smile

On a more serious note, good luck working out the problem with the bill, these things are never straightforward but hopefully it won't be too stressful for you.

tribpot · 06/04/2014 20:22

If he really is staying near the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, (a) poor them and (b) we could hope he would do something utterly inappropriate and end up getting shot by their security team. What. A. Knob.

Hissy · 06/04/2014 20:51

Meant to say, when my leasehold flat had compulsory works scheduled, we challenged the quote as our flat had been modernised by us over the years so didn't need some bits doing, so the estimated works were drastically reduced.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 06/04/2014 20:54

As BalloonSlayer said earlier in the thread

""He is CEO of quite a large financial consultancy firm."

  • and I would actually look into whether phoning your council, pretending to be someone else and telling lies constitutes financial malpractice."

I hope you're ok Flowers

NightOwl17 · 06/04/2014 21:17

What an utter twat! God I haven't felt so angry reading a thread in a long time Angry

I really hope you get this sorted & you don't waste any more of your lives on your wanker of a BIL. Hopefully he will get his comeuppance.

Congrats on your pregnancy Thanks

BerylStreep · 06/04/2014 21:18

Grin Tribpot!

He does sound like a sociopath. Please cut him out of your life. Who sends a photo of their ski lesson receipt? Why does he feel the need to prove himself by associating himself with Kate & Wills? Utterly bizarre.

DP's auntie sounds lovely - thank goodness for good people. You and DP also sound like really decent people.

I hope you get the council matter sorted out. I'm so glad to hear your update sounding more positive.

My Dsis has just put an offer in on an ex local authority flat, and I might warn her about this.

AnnRuleRules · 06/04/2014 21:33

Your BIL sounds very unhappy, and not a little bit but a MASSIVE BIT envious of you (or more rather, your husband, his brother!!)You have got a lovely family, and poor BIL has.....nothing!

tribpot · 06/04/2014 21:36

Btw the Cambridges are on a flight to New Zealand right now, if they've just left Courcheval (doubtful) I bet they're bloody glad to have put maximum distance between them and their chalet neighbours Confused Grin

Deathwatchbeetle · 06/04/2014 21:39

I hope the lovely Aunie will be one of the first to see the new baby!

I have pictures in my mind of Kate and Wills having to dodge the vile oaf whenever he appears near them!

He really cannot be happy to wave his 'wealth' in your face like that. Something missing somewhere (a brain???).

That good that you got to meet people in the other flats, hopefully now ther will be a lot more people to hi and bye to!

YellowTulips · 06/04/2014 21:42

Your BIL (to be referred to as CIL - cunt in law - forthwith) strikes me as someone very insecure tbh.

My mother calls people like this "candle snuffers" - I need to blow out your candle to make mine burn brighter.

The offers of loan smack of creating the opportunity to say no and belittle you about it. Same with the holiday texts. How crass....

The good news is that you have seen him for what he is. An insecure, arrogant, candle snuffing asshole who can only gain self assurance and esteem through belittling others.

Good luck with the solicitor and congratulations on your pregnancy Thanks

Minnieisthedevilmouse · 06/04/2014 21:48

Ah all the trappings none if the class... What an ass...

Glad life sorting back out. That bill sounded very strange.

Guineapigfriend · 06/04/2014 21:56

Great post yellow tulips - love the term candle snuffers.
My Granny could not abide people who boasted about wealth or money. I can imagine her describing you CIL as ghastly and crass.