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mortified at BIL and reaction to request for loan

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vexedveg · 03/04/2014 00:31

I have name changed for this.
I was not sure where to put this thread but hoping this is the right section

I want to give a bit of background to avoid drip feeding so bear with me. This outpouring is lonnnnnnnnnng!

DP and I dont have a lot of spare money - less so these days like alot of people but we are lucky to have got by to date with no credit cards, no loans and no debts ( apart from mortgage).. We lead a relatively frugal life and are v careful with money - dont really go out alot and our last family holiday was 4 years ago (was able to combine it with a work related trip to keep flight costs down). I buy most of our clothes from charity shops / car boot sales. We do however make sure DD gets things like swimming classes, membership of a running club.

we have one DD and pg with number 2.

I dont come from a well off background but my family is close and all help each other out as much as possible, whenever we can. I struggle with asking for any kind of help from people, including my family and have never owed anyone any money. Personally i find it really hard but also know i have been very lucky not to be in that position until now.

DP's family is somewhat different and alot more money focused. He is the youngest son with 2 older brothers, very successful in the financial sector in the city. They lead very different lifestyles to us and refer to us as the paupers and black sheep of the family. I have never had a v good relationship with eldest BIL, just very different people with different views and values. He once told me that i "should go home to the other f**king gypos". His words not mine. I am Irish.

He however is always offering to help us out and has repeatedly told DP that if there is ever anything he can do help out -including with money - to just ask, he is there for him and nothing would be too much. He always tells us how many millions he has in bank, how much he makes a month etc etc. He has laughed at our flat -saying that its overall value wouldnt even cover the value of his broom cupboard.
We never ever have asked for anything ( and even paid his share of MIL's funeral a few years ago when he refused to contribute.)

We both work FT earning just less than average salary each and live in a small flat in a building with other home buyers and some housing association tenants.

2 weeks ago we were presented with an unexpected bill for 25 k each for compulsory work in our area on subsidence - a bolt out of the blue and a total shock. We do not have those kinds of savings and my family in no way has access to that kind of money.

DP's first thought was to ask BIL to help out and I refused, wanting to explore all other options first. Have spoken to council about a repayment plan and tried to look at how to balance our books and fit in the repayments over the 2 years we have been given as well as cope with my mat leave. DP finally persuaded me that he would ask BIL for a LOAN for 1/3 amount which we would repay with interest- not to be given it as a handout or to keep.

We spent ages coming up with an email, basically explaining the situation and stating that we would really appreciate the loan, would repay it as soon as we could, how hard we both found it to ask but of course, if it wasnt possible it was not a problem and we would go back to the bank. i honestly felt sick writing it and v v embarassed at sending it.

I was dreading his reply but didnt expect what we got.

He didnt get back for a week, fair enough. When he did, he told us that he has been trying to find ways to get us out of paying at all, speaking to the council and pretending to be our debt adviser. he told them we are in massive debt and will not be paying.
he says he wont give us a loan as he thinks this would be propping up our lifestyle, that this will be a valuable life lesson and that he thinks we should be supporting the banks through a loan from them. He also said that he found it strange that we would not be able to find that amount as it is such a small amount. He also sad he was angry that we would approach him in the first place and it wasnt his fault that I came from "tinkers and layabout" stock. He said he was embarassed that his own brother would have to stoop so low as to ask for a handout. We didnt.

we have since found out that BIL shared our email with other family members in a - "jeez - what are they like" and "cant quite believe I have a brother so low on the social rung"

i feel very hurt and embarassed. Not at that he isnt going to give us a loan but at what he said. DP is shocked that when he finally had to ask for something, this is what has happened. I am also angry that even when he knew how hard we found it to go cap in hand for a loan, he shared this and is basically making a laugh of us behind our backs.

I suppose i am not really asking for advice - we will get through it somehow but wanted somewhere to vent.

well done for making it to the end... Smile

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Thumbwitch · 08/04/2014 01:50

Your BIL is one of the nastiest pieces of shit I've come across on here.
He would be no loss to any of you.
I'm very glad your DP's aunt is such a decent woman though, and has some backbone - shame there aren't more like her!

If you can, block your BIL's number from your phones, get him off FB or elsewhere and refuse to have anything to do with him again. What an utter wankbadger he is.

Hope the money situation can be sorted for you - that's the last thing you need in terms of worry!

Had a thought about your BIL saying he'd told the Council you were in loads of debt etc., sounds like he was just trying to wind you all up. If he had actually called them and told those lies about you, you could have sued him for defamation of character - almost a shame he didn't, really!

I do hope you never have to see him again. x

Caitlyn2014 · 08/04/2014 01:56

Anchorage, I'm sure they would.

So perhaps just leave things to the professionals.

AveryJessup · 08/04/2014 02:01

Ugh, gross - just read your update with your BIL's text and email of the cost of son's ski ticket, glass of champagne etc. Has the man NO class at all? Just so tacky. DP and I do pretty well and live in a wealthy part of the US. Lots of people we know are 'rolling in it' but an attitude like your BIL's would be really out of place here. No one with even a smidgen of class behaves like that.

Otherwise though I'm incredibly glad to hear you are making progress on resolving the issue with the council. I really hope it turns out that the council made a cock-up and you owe nothing or very little.

Best of luck - it must feel great to have toxic BIL out of your lives. Just block his number and email address from now on. Thanks

CheerfulYank · 08/04/2014 02:21

I cannot believe him! I mean, I believe you of course but...what a shit! Shock

LindyHemming · 08/04/2014 03:56

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vexedveg · 08/04/2014 22:38

good evening folks.

I am going to leave the thread for now (and namechange back!)

The process is underway to sort out the bill / repayment etc. I dont know how it will all turn out but alot more positive than a week ago. Certainly our earning curve has been sharp and lot of work ahead but we feel clearer as to what we need to do to get clarity.

We also feel relieved if not a little sad that BIL is out of our lives. Saddened in that we wont get to have a relationship with our nephew and niece.

Thanks for all your advice and support. It was mumsnet at its best when we needed it.

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CoilRegret · 08/04/2014 22:40

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BillyBanter · 08/04/2014 23:20

Good luck with the bill.

LineRunner · 08/04/2014 23:24

Best of luck.

Melonade · 08/04/2014 23:42

DP emailed BIL back - as per Balloon's suggestion. We got an automatic response "unable to answer your email as we are on holiday in courcheval ski-ing for 3 weeks and staying in the same chalet as Kate and Wills!" BIL did text him tho- exact words = "Sun, snow and ski-ing - raising a glass to you and your family!" with 2 lovely pictures. One of him smiling broadly with a glass of champagne and another of his son's weekly ski-lessons ticket at 900 euros. I cant help but think it was a a provocative gesture but that is it done with him

The thing is, no-one in the part of society that that would imply behaves like that. Or at least if they did, they wouldn't have any friends. Most people try to downplay their wealth, because everyone has it, its ordinary, its taken for granted. So to stand out, you need something different.

I would doubt they were taking the whole chalet. Gosh they have gone skiing, like many people. Somethings not right here. Sensible people who have the ability to be successful don't behave like this. I mean, some might, when very drunk, occasionally. I think this is a House of Cards. And he's probably a salesman living off credit.

Melonade · 08/04/2014 23:42

Oh, and please challenge the bill. That's a ridiculous amount for something that wasn't agreed in the first place, and is open to fraud and extortion.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 09/04/2014 01:03

He's a wanky arse hole who deserves to fall flat on his face in life.

You on the other hand are lovely :)

I'm so glad you're trying to get things sorted out and SO glad that you've made like Teflon and let that arsehole slide right off you and your family. You're all too nice to let that man touch your hearts or minds in any way. Eugh. Horrible man.

Mizza76 · 09/04/2014 01:30

I bet he's not as rich as he says he is. If he did he would have loved to have lent you the money as a form of showing off .

AveryJessup · 10/04/2014 00:31

That's what I thought too, Melonade. No-one I know with serious, life-changing cash flashes it around like that. In fact usually the richer you are, the more low-key you keep things.

The only person I could think who would behave like that is someone who won the lottery or someone who is faking it.

Anyway, best of luck, OP, and I'm really glad things are looking up for you. It is sad about your niece and nephew. I do feel bad sometimes that we have no contact with DH's nieces due to his brother's wankerish behavior. The way I look at it though, they have never known us and so it's no loss to them. If they wanted to make contact with my DS when they are older I'd have no problem with it.

LoveBeingCantThinkOfAName · 10/04/2014 04:12

Let's hope the money people have invested with him is still where it should be.

Good luck op, glad you've got a plan.

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