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The ex wife

178 replies

Justthegirlfriend · 23/03/2014 15:38

Long time lurker first time poster.

My bf ex wife is starting to become a bit of a nightmare and its really hard for me to bite my tounge so I'm going to have a wee rant. Please don't flame me but I need to get this out. I did try netmums but there was too much huni and xx for my liking. Plus you lovely vipers will give it to me straight

  1. She is demanding to meet me not to just be aware of me but to see how simple I am - wft I am an educated 30 year old woman who does not need to be judged by a random woman who seems to want to hate me from the get go. I was all for her meeting me before I meet the boys but now not so much.
  1. She has told him that he is not allowed to live with my at all or ever because this is a bad environment for the children and it will confuse them. This woman through him a short time before the new bf moved in even the 5 year old knows that's what happened. No idea how it would be a bad environment we both work and are respectable people.
  1. Everything we do she has to do better. We have a night out in a so called "posh" part for town and had a few bottle of champagne we had a fab night. It's no big dealing going to this part of town I have always went there but she has to boast about going to the same part of town and drinking champagne because we have.

Pleases give me some coping stratages and please tell me this nonsense will stop. I have tried the this too shall pass but I don't think it will.

Oh god I'm a bitch aren't I?

OP posts:
Dahlen · 23/03/2014 22:07

I'm not a bitter ex wife either. I have neither cheated on anyone nor been cheated on. I am quite fond of my XH and very happy for him in his new marriage. I don't have any contact with my abusive X who fathered my children, but get on quite well with his other X who also has children by him (hence our friendship). Incidentally, I was told by him that she was a psycho who wouldn't let him go, would refuse to let me meet the DC etc - all of which was completely untrue. He simply didn't want us meeting in case I found out how badly he'd treated her in the past...

Superworm · 23/03/2014 22:42

Oh dear.

You posted on netmums and didn't like what was said so posted here and don't like the responses either. How strange.

BoneyBackJefferson · 23/03/2014 22:47

AmberLeaf

"This thread is certainly weird.

'Take things slowly' and 'don't rush in blindly' are well known and sensible bits of advice as far as relationships go, particularly when there are children involved.

Why that is viewed as projection or judgement I have no idea."

It wasn't, it was the making stuff up about the OP's bf and situation that was.

Justthegirlfriend · 23/03/2014 23:04

Thank you boney.

You have decided that my boyfriend is an abusive cheater who deserved to have his marriage and his life ruined.

I'm fully aware that there is 3 children who have also had their world collapse on them and it must be incredibly hard for these children.

I love this man he had told me that I am the closest person to him and that if anything was to happen to is he would fight for me. He must be in such a hard place right now between dealing with the ex and moving on with that and being with me.

All I asked was for coping strats and if anyone has been through this. And thank you to the ones that have and shared what they have been through.

Netmums advice was fine but I wanted a wider scope of opinion. Which I have now gotten.

Thank you but I don't think I will be using this website again

OP posts:
Superworm · 23/03/2014 23:27

My biggest bit of advice would be that you shouldn't need coping strategies for a five months old relationship.

Honestly op this should be happy, plain sailing territory. The fact that you are posting on various websites for support is a red flag. Sorry it's not want you want to hear though.

MichelloBarner · 24/03/2014 05:48

He is partly to blame, he went into a marriage and had children with the wrong person, he is as much a failure as she is for the marriage breakdown.

Well done ethel can I now suggest you go and cut and paste that sentence into every thread in Relationships where the wife has just been knocked sideways by her H walking out on her?

You are way too invested in the pile of crap that is the end of a marriage. You know too much and you've been told too much and he - and she - are doing their getting over it on your time. That's my take on it. By all means, go ahead if he means that much to you but bear in mind she is quite possibly a perfectly ordinary woman (just like you) whose marriage ended for reasons that you will never really know. But fuck if I would sit opposite a man while he read texts from his ex wife unless they concerned his children.

Yes. that pretty much sums up all you need to know OP. Your boyfriend needs to grow up a bit and stop dragging you into his undignified personal squabbles that need not involve you at all.

The only "coping strategy" I can suggest is that you don't date a man that is still married and expect things to go all your own way.

It's also helpful to make sure that bloke has a spine and doesn't play one woman against another.

Here Here AF.

OP you asked if this was 'normal' behaviour from an ex wife. Yes, it can be - normal for people in the midst of a recent separation, anyway.

Divorce does funny old things to people. It can temporarily turn an otherwise rational, intelligent, dignified person into a seething mass of bitterness, insecurity, hatred, defensiveness, petty jealousy and one upmanship. I've seen it probably hundreds of times. Few couples are entirely immune and it doesn't always matter whose 'fault' it was to start with. People seem to take leave of their senses a bit and will often BOTH behave in a way that just makes all the horrible shit ten times worse for the children and the others around them.

If you want to be with this man then by all means do. But be his girlfriend, not his divorce lawyer or his marriage guidance counsellor or his shoulder to cry on. STEP AWAY from this silly tit for tat rows with his ex and let them battle it out between them. It's not your business or your problem. The more he seeks to involve you in all this by giving you blow by blow accounts of the latest said/she said squabble, the more I think you are just the transitional relationship to show his ex that he is really over her. He may not even realise it himself yet, but I think that's what's happening here. I would strongly urge you not to even think about trying to get PG for at least another year or two with this guy because even if he loves you I think he has met you too soon. He is clearly not ready to move on emotionally from this marriage. Even if he doesn't want her back she is still monopolising way too much of his headspace and emotional energy because he is letting her.

The thing is, if he was totally over her he'd just ignore all this silly text baiting and he certainly would not be showing it to you. He's wallowing in his own drama and encouraging you to be his doting audience.

MichelloBarner · 24/03/2014 05:50

And if this thread gets deleted I will be furious.

Tilpil · 24/03/2014 07:42

Hi just to let you know it can work with your partner if you both come from the same book so to speak. Strict rules between them my partner won't reply to any message not about the children and will flat out ignore and has said he will go down harassment when she was sending loads in a day. He never speaks on the phone or in person so he cannot be accused of anything the children are taken to the door doorbell rang and he steps back so when she opens the door they go in and he goes straight to the car. Unfortunately this came after lots of arguments and it only happened when she accused my dog of attacking her when she hadn't realised we had CCTV to prove anything. Inbox if you think it will help we are now very happily married and lived together quite quick but they had been split up for 8 years

HanselandGretel · 24/03/2014 11:05

You are way too invested in the pile of crap that is the end of a marriage. You know too much and you've been told too much and he - and she - are doing their getting over it on your time. That's my take on it. By all means, go ahead if he means that much to you but bear in mind she is quite possibly a perfectly ordinary woman (just like you) whose marriage ended for reasons that you will never really know. But fuck if I would sit opposite a man while he read texts from his ex wife unless they concerned his children

This in spades. Watch out bigtime OP because I would lay bets you are the transitional relationship whether he consciously knows this or not. You are preparing and levelling the ground for whoever comes next, by being his emotional sponge and mopper upper now, he will get over the heartbreak of his failed marriage but you may well become associated with all the bad stuff he's going through now and once the drama is over so his feelings will fade. I've seen it happen, sorry to be so negative but please take the advice and step away from 'their' marraige until such a time as he is well and truly emotionally over all this and save yourself a lot of hurt.

AnyFucker · 24/03/2014 11:11

yep, this has "transition" written all over it

CrabbySpringyBottom · 24/03/2014 11:22
Flowers

I've only read to page 3 and all the fucking nonsense is putting my blood pressure up. Hmm

There are so many red flags in your relationship that it's positively scarlet. Oh do fucking grow up! Grin

Oh and Monet...
Are you going to take any of it ? The advice that is. ....
What on earth business is that of yours? Confused You are really so invested in your partisan interpretation of some lines on a page that you are demanding the OP follow your advice? Hmm

DrankSangriaInThePark · 24/03/2014 11:24

Well, she did ask for it. The advice. She just didn't like it when she got it.

Is the grin next to the "Oh do fucking grow up" supposed to make us chortle? Forgive me if I don't.

I would lay bets on a lot of things in this relationship. Transition girl, yep. Truth about the break up? Doubtful.

CrabbySpringyBottom · 24/03/2014 11:37

No the Grin wasn't supposed to make you chortle. Why would it? It was representing the fact that I was laughing.

Same as when I do this >>> Confused it isn't meant to make you confused, but is indicating that I find most people, and their certainty about things that they know very little about, absolutely baffling. Confused

AnyFucker · 24/03/2014 11:40

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

scornedwoman67 · 24/03/2014 11:41

But crabby she asked for advice...that is what this is for.
She doesn't have to take it, or like it. Advice is just that - a persons opinion/suggestion.

DrankSangriaInThePark · 24/03/2014 11:42

What user name do you usually post under Crabby?

DrankSangriaInThePark · 24/03/2014 11:43

Or, welcome to Mumsnet, whichever is the case.

CrabbySpringyBottom · 24/03/2014 11:54

Aw thanks for the welcome Sangria, I'm really touched. Smile

Now that's sarcasm. Hadn't used any before.

GoshAnneGorilla · 24/03/2014 12:00

The OP has had such good advice on here, it is a shame she doesn't seem interested in hearing it.

As for possibly having this thread moved to the step board - that board is full of many women who should have taken this sort of advice and refused to get involved in any ex-wife drama from day one, or better yet, walked away from someone mired in such drama.

Top tip OP, do not get pregnant with this man as a way of proving/making him move on.

Goodadvice1980 · 24/03/2014 12:28

I think this bf has project written all over him. Wise up - you are his transitional relationship.

To quote an MN classic - he must have a gold plated cock or wallet for you to put up with this shite so early on.

Good luck - you're gonna need it!

olathelawyer05 · 24/03/2014 12:37

It isn't really you that needs to deal with this, but rather your BF.

His ex has no 'right' to meet you. Unless she has a specific concern to raise (e.g. that you're a drug addict or something), she can't micro-manage your BF's contact with his children. During that time, he is the parent and can make the parenting decisions such who they get to see and who gets to be around them etc. Think carefully before engaging with her nonsense.

justtoomessy · 24/03/2014 20:23

OP i would listen to hansel and AF as they offer good advice as do many others it just isn't what you want to hear. I've been where you are to some degree and I got sucked in. It was the worst couple of years of my life and changed me during that time due to my now ex's need to draw me into his apparently separated marriage. I was his transitional relationship and it has damaged me as a person.

Stay out of his relationship with his wife there is too much hurt going around in this set up for it to end up as anything but a disaster with you in the middle. I wish I had taken a step back and I wish that I had listened to my instincts when I found out that I was pregnant and stayed away from him.

Your life will become consumed by his relationship and then he'll leave you for someone else.

justtoomessy · 24/03/2014 20:25

Oh and in the process my wonderful DS is ignored by his father and his family as we were the stupid, transitional relationship they would all rather forget happened.

AnyFucker · 24/03/2014 20:37

I am sorry you got treated like that justoomessy

Would you have listened at the time if someone had tried to warn you ? Did anyone try ?

justtoomessy · 24/03/2014 22:04

Nope totally swayed by his lies that his ex was a psycho and by the time I was sucked in by him I was much farther along in my pregnancy and had pregnancy brain.

I did come on here about his ex and how evil she was and just didn't listen and I wish I had. I also never listened to any of the advice when he walked out on me and I went a bit nuts myself. In my defence I had PTSD, PND, worked full-time in shifts and a 2 year old to look after when he left me for someone else.

I look back now and think why oh why did I not take that advice. Why did I not consider my own self esteem and dignity as important and why the fuck did I get involved with a man still married and only recently left his wife (possible lies there too from him I later found out).

Huge learning curve about myself and how you should behave and what to do when those bloody reg flags are waving.

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