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Would you cut your mother out of your life? - long, sorry

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Pages · 10/08/2006 06:42

It sounds really harsh but she has upset me so much and I just don't want her around to hurt me anymore.

A year ago she told me my SIL found it difficult to be around my child who has special needs. It hurt me really badly at the time but I didn't say anything because my brother and SIL are not the most approachable people. In the end I told my brother about it in a row which wasn't the best of times and I apologised for that. I also rang my mum and apologised if I'd got her into trouble (although really it needed to come out into the open and be dealt with).

My mum then completely astounded me by denying telling me any such thing and she, my brother and my SIL have ganged up on me, called me a poisonous liar and my SIL has told me she never wants to see me again (no great loss there actually, I am pretty sure she is largely responsible for my mum's reaction).

My mum subsequently some weeks later asked me if we could put it behind us. I have told her not until she has apologised and accepted responsibility for what she has done. She refuses to do so (she has never been good at apologising, always has to be right) and whilst telling me to my face that she wants to move on I have found out that she is telling other people in the family that I have done a good job of splitting the family up. It is true my older brother has supported me but only because he knows I am not a liar and my mum has always treated him as an outsider in the family and pitted the rest of us against him.

She is really a very manipulative person. I realise that now. But she is very loving if you agree with her. I have liked to think we have had a really close relationship till now - I used to ring her several times a week and talk to her about almost anything - but the reality is that there is a price to pay for that. Whenever there have been disagreements between us she has always blamed me or DH and I have accepted that to keep things running smoothly between us.

I have been aware for some time that she gossips about me to others in the family, mainly because she gossips about all of them to me and criticises and badmouths them, the way they bring up their children, etc. I used to think stupidly at one time that I was her loyal confidante and then realised with a shock that she was talking just as much about me too.

I really feel that I have so many friends and people who I trust and who really seem to care about me in my life, including DH's family (MIL I think loves me more than my own mum does, she is so sweet), why have people around who don't support me and who I am? Certainly there is no subtext with DH's family - what you see is what you get with all of them and I prefer to have friends around me like that too.

I have never stood up to my mum like this before. My older brother always has and that is why he has been badmouthed and ostracised all his life. My little brother (who always agrees with everything my mum says, worryingly so) even told DH some time ago that he doesn't care for my older brother - but he has never got to know him. My older brother is a really nice person but he has his own thoughts and opinions.

I actually feel hugely liberated by what's happened, like I can be free to be who I am now without the shadow of pleasing my mum hanging over me. I will never stop her seeing her grandchildren but don't want to have a close relationship with her anymore. And yet a part of me tells me this is wrong because we have always been close.

By the way, I have tried talking to her over and over and have put my side across numerous times but she keeps side-stepping the issue and not responding to it, says there is no point in discussing it, we both feel betrayed and that's that. And recently she has implied this must be about more than the immediate incident. It isn't! I just don't like being called a liar and blamed for all of this.

Does anyone think I am overreacting about all of this and should just let it go and get on with my mum? Would you feel as upset as I do?

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Pages · 21/09/2006 17:21

Thanks! I really do feel a lot better. I keep having the kind of cold pangs GS talks about but they will lessen over time. And it is my mum's and family's decision really - all I asked was for the respect that anyone deserves as a human being (I can't imagine one of my work colleagues or friends ever calling me a liar or behaving generally like my mum) or to be left alone - they have made their choice.

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Turtledove · 26/09/2006 16:43

Hi Pages

I want to send you support, and also thank you for discussing your feelings in this thread. I hope you're feeling ok.

I started reading from the beginning last night and it helped me gain a good deal of enlightenment about my relationship with my mother. Many things said by you and other posters were spookily familiar.

My mum-rift is different from yours, but is causing me a lot of heart-ache. Put as simply as possible, from birth my mother's made no secret of the fact that I was her favourite (I'm the youngest of six) and I grew up thinking she and I were destined always to be the best of friends. I thought the others were making it up when they complained bitterly of her treatment of them, perhaps I was secretly smug about the fact that she and I had such a good raport.

I had my first child earlier this year and suddenly the way she responded to this event has made me question everything about the idylic picture I have always carried around of our relationship. It all came to a head as a result of her behaviour at our dd's baptism. Long story...basically she was so outragously selfish, unneccessarily rude and hurtful to me and particularly my dh that things can never be the same again. She hyjaked our event, created mayhem, made false allergations and then gathered everyone present to witness how she'd been the victim. This was the first time I'd been on the receiving end and the hysteria of that day still makes my heart-rate go up just thinking of it!

Honest soul searching since the flare-up (with my dh and one of my more rational sisters) has made me face the unpleasant facts - that all was well with mum and me while I went her way, played her game. Discovering my own identity through marriage and becoming a mother myself has made me see her more truthfully: She was pretty good to me on the whole, but her faults are suddenly glaringly obvious, I've been in denial - I wasn't special, I was just the most compliant. Fur flew when I defied her and stood my ground. I feel very sad.

I don't think I'm going to cut her out of my life so much as keep my distance. My trouble is the bond is very strong and hard to loosen. My first instinct was to try and set the record straight, followed by mending fences, but I realise she won't listen, she won't learn and she won't change. I never noticed till now that she never says sorry, not to anyone, ever.

I realise the best thing now is to enjoy my new family and my new loyalties - it hurts, but I can see I've got to leave her behind and nurture my relationship with my man & child. I feel very troubled, there's a big hole where she used to be in my life, but reading all the comments from everyone out there, I'm more hopeful that I can adapt.

Sorry Pages, I didn't mean to talk so much about myself. I just want to wish you well and squeeze your hand in solidarity.

Pages · 26/09/2006 21:04

Hi Turtledove

And a hand squeeze back to you! Your post is really interesting and has given me the shivers because your mum sounds so similar to mine. I am going to show it to my older brother tomorrow. You have summed it up perfectly - I thought I too was "the chosen one" and enjoyed what I thought was a close relationship with my mum in recent years(despite the stuff in my childhood which I simply forgave her for at some considerable cost to myself I now realise, because it was like saying that it wasn't that bad/didn't really matter, etc. when it WAS and DID!).

My mum is different from yours and some of the others on this thread in that she is not obvious about her feelings - she would hardly ever risk a direct confrontation but has always given me the cold silent treatment instead and (I now realise)complained about me to other family members behind my back - I have recently found out a lot of the things my mum has said about me at various times when I have not behaved exactly as she would like and my compliant persona has slipped a bit and I am because she never gave me any idea that she thought this way about me.

Sorry you have been through such a tough time lately but as with all of us who have been through similar, I hope you will find that the loss of your mum (as things were) and having to face a very cold and startling truth about her is a relatively small price to pay to be free to discover your true identity and be true to yourself and your own little family.

It is interesting that with Greensleeves it was a decision that her mum didn't like about her DS that brought things to a head, with you it was the christening of your DD and with me it was my protection of my DS. It is almost as if us saying that our loyalties now lie more firmly with our offspring has provoked this rage in our mothers (however differently expressed).

Sorry your DD's baptism was blighted by this but glad that you have the support of your DH and sister. I sat and chatted with my older brother and DH today and they both said that this is no way for a mother to have behaved, DH is horrified and disgusted, and older brother is probably like your sister glad to have someone realise that he hasn't been talking rubbish all these years. I feel bad for him that he has been alone and on the outside of things all this time.

It is intersting and also helpful to know others get where you are coming from so please don't apologise for giving your account of your own situation. I guess when the manipulation has been a part of your life for x amount of years and it is all you have known from a mother you do need the reassurance and confirmation of others outside your crazy family to help you pinch yourself and realise that the behaviour you have endured is not normal!

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Pages · 26/09/2006 22:28

Oh yes, and with Sakura, and Cashncarry, it was because they got married (mother making then choose between DH or her) - a common theme here?

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Turtledove · 30/09/2006 18:17

I think you may be right, As soon as I asked my husband to be my birth companion, instead of my mum, her nose was out of joint.

I was always around for her in recent years, particularly since my dad had a bad stroke and she became his carer. My brothers and sisters live much closer, but it was always me who dropped everything and came to her rescue. I can't do that any more. I think she maybe took my willingness to be at her side for granted and now resents my dh for 'taking me away'. Her neediness has got in the way of her feeling happy that her youngest is happily married and striking out on her own. I was angry with her, but increasingly I feel sorry for her. Breaking up is never easy to do!

Pages · 03/11/2006 15:24

I have just bumped this up for bigbaubleeyes and overdraft as there is a lot of sound advice on here that might help them too.

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Pages · 03/11/2006 15:28

Sorry, meant smileybones, not overdraft

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Mummymonster · 10/12/2006 11:24

Dear all

I posted a while ago on this thread to share my difficulties with my mother and that I'd cut her out of my life due to her toxic nature.

Well I'd like to share this one...quick recap, I cut out M as she hurt/upset me after years of abuse and I needed to be strong for DS, she then moved and cut of her parents. Me and DGPs heard nothing for 2 years...yesterday DGM called to say M had sent letter asking DGM to forward a letter to her yougest brother as he'd not passed on his new address!

and then psml.

How can I possibly want any contact with M after that? What sort of 'mememememe' attitude is that? I am ashamed that I have any sort of history with her, nevermind that it's a 50% genetic link.

It's proof positive that I made the correct choice to cut links on my terms.

Merry Christmas to all xxx

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