Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Would you cut your mother out of your life? - long, sorry

308 replies

Pages · 10/08/2006 06:42

It sounds really harsh but she has upset me so much and I just don't want her around to hurt me anymore.

A year ago she told me my SIL found it difficult to be around my child who has special needs. It hurt me really badly at the time but I didn't say anything because my brother and SIL are not the most approachable people. In the end I told my brother about it in a row which wasn't the best of times and I apologised for that. I also rang my mum and apologised if I'd got her into trouble (although really it needed to come out into the open and be dealt with).

My mum then completely astounded me by denying telling me any such thing and she, my brother and my SIL have ganged up on me, called me a poisonous liar and my SIL has told me she never wants to see me again (no great loss there actually, I am pretty sure she is largely responsible for my mum's reaction).

My mum subsequently some weeks later asked me if we could put it behind us. I have told her not until she has apologised and accepted responsibility for what she has done. She refuses to do so (she has never been good at apologising, always has to be right) and whilst telling me to my face that she wants to move on I have found out that she is telling other people in the family that I have done a good job of splitting the family up. It is true my older brother has supported me but only because he knows I am not a liar and my mum has always treated him as an outsider in the family and pitted the rest of us against him.

She is really a very manipulative person. I realise that now. But she is very loving if you agree with her. I have liked to think we have had a really close relationship till now - I used to ring her several times a week and talk to her about almost anything - but the reality is that there is a price to pay for that. Whenever there have been disagreements between us she has always blamed me or DH and I have accepted that to keep things running smoothly between us.

I have been aware for some time that she gossips about me to others in the family, mainly because she gossips about all of them to me and criticises and badmouths them, the way they bring up their children, etc. I used to think stupidly at one time that I was her loyal confidante and then realised with a shock that she was talking just as much about me too.

I really feel that I have so many friends and people who I trust and who really seem to care about me in my life, including DH's family (MIL I think loves me more than my own mum does, she is so sweet), why have people around who don't support me and who I am? Certainly there is no subtext with DH's family - what you see is what you get with all of them and I prefer to have friends around me like that too.

I have never stood up to my mum like this before. My older brother always has and that is why he has been badmouthed and ostracised all his life. My little brother (who always agrees with everything my mum says, worryingly so) even told DH some time ago that he doesn't care for my older brother - but he has never got to know him. My older brother is a really nice person but he has his own thoughts and opinions.

I actually feel hugely liberated by what's happened, like I can be free to be who I am now without the shadow of pleasing my mum hanging over me. I will never stop her seeing her grandchildren but don't want to have a close relationship with her anymore. And yet a part of me tells me this is wrong because we have always been close.

By the way, I have tried talking to her over and over and have put my side across numerous times but she keeps side-stepping the issue and not responding to it, says there is no point in discussing it, we both feel betrayed and that's that. And recently she has implied this must be about more than the immediate incident. It isn't! I just don't like being called a liar and blamed for all of this.

Does anyone think I am overreacting about all of this and should just let it go and get on with my mum? Would you feel as upset as I do?

OP posts:
Sakura · 20/08/2006 12:02

Oh my god, Coolmama,
Thats EXACTLY it!! Its amazing how much energy you get to work, study, relax, play and enjoy time with your husband/kids. I am shocked now at just the sheer amount of energy it used to take to keep myself on an even keel at work etc, after being upset by something my mum had done/said, yet again.

rustybear · 20/08/2006 14:01

"because my mum did start off by accepting she may have said something to me about my SIL until she spoke to my brother."
I wonder if she's like my MIL who frequently expresses her own thoughts/prejudices by attributing them to another family member - "your father thinks you should..." - she has created many situations by this kind of thing which made me feel I would be happier if I could cut her out of my life, but I dont think I would ever do it because Dh would feel so bad.

I think Pages original question "Would you cut your mother out of your life" entitles anyone to say no they wouldn't, and give their reasons, but not to attack anyone else with hurtful comments (like "Grow up") as Cam has done because they really can't judge anyone else's situation.

Pages · 20/08/2006 14:36

Rustybear, that's a very good point - I think she does attribute her own thoughts and feelings to others. In fact I know she does - she's done it to me before. I actually said to DH the other night, I wonder if it's my mum who actually finds it hard to be around DS1. My SIL is more indifferent to DS1 than anything, in hindsight I don't think she has enough feelings about anyone other than herself to find it hard.

OP posts:
doobydoo · 20/08/2006 17:53

You have received fantastic support and advice on here pages..and i have found it interesting reading what you and others have posted.Tbh i feel completely liberated and free since i have cut my mother from my life.But it has taken a long time to feel like this.The relief is tremendous.Good luck to you and your family and to all of you that posted on here

Dior · 20/08/2006 20:09

Message withdrawn

Pages · 02/09/2006 22:04

Sorry to revive an already long thread but didn't want to start from scratch, and am feeling really upset even though I knew this was inevitable.

My little sister (the only neutral person left in my family)rang me today and told me my mum showed her (and my younger brother) the confrontational letter me and older brother sent to my mum some weeks ago, asking her to accept responsibilty for what she has done and stop blaming me and also to acknowledge what happened to us as kids. We asked my mum to talk to us and not involve the rest of the family. I admit the letter was very direct but it was not in any way fanciful or abusive. My mum has not really responded to us (all she said was she couldn't deal with this right now and needed people around her who loved and supported her not people who wanted her to love them - wtf!) but she has, it seems, acted in her usual way and told the rest of the family (she rang my sister up crying - my sister said "she didn't want to show me the letter but... yeah, of course she didn't).

My sister said "mum told me what REALLY happened, I don't believe that your childhood was that bad and all the things you say really happened (bear in mind that her dad is the stepfather that beat me and my brother up for seven years - she should never have seen the letter, I have always made a point of not saying anything bad about her dad in front of her, and she is the reason me and older brother have decided not to go to the police about him. My mum finally left him when she was 2 so she never witnessed any of the stuff that happened). She ended up slamming the phone down on me.

I know I was the one who posted on here about siblings reactions when you confront your parents about their behaviour and my sister's reaction is textbook... but it hurts. I have now lost my sister too. She even said to me "what are you going to do when older brother goes back to Australia in 3 weeks time, you will only have your dh (not true actually, have lovely inlaws and lots of nice friends"). But me and her have never even raised our voices to each other before let alone this. Am so upset... my mum has had so many opportunities to try and put things right, but she is going all out to get everyone against me (and now older brother again although he says he's used to it).

I have kept on hoping the last 3 months that my mum would turn round and say sorry, she made a mistake and that she loves me. I know that older brother is upset that she hasn't tried to put things right before he leaves for Oz. I never realised until I crossed my mum on this level exactly how nasty she could be. I think my mind is made up about my mum now but feel so upset that we have reached this point.

OP posts:
NotAnOtter · 02/09/2006 22:14

Pages I too have gone through something VERY similar but in many ways different (!) recently.
My siblings reaction to me confronting my father has astounded and amazed me. It has also confused and deeply deeply hurt me.
People do not want to hear it. They dont want to believe it happened. Thats why your sister is reacting like this - she does not want her idyll shattered.... sorry you are having such a time

Greensleeves · 02/09/2006 22:20

Pages, this must be incredibly hard and hurtful for you. You know in your own mind that you've done the right thing and that you've acted with your eyes open. Try and hang on to that.

GS xxx

CountTo10 · 02/09/2006 22:20

Pages sorry it didn't work out for you and your brother as you had hoped but you made that move, you were honest and you can't do much more than that. You're sister is reacting not directly to you but more the emotional manipulation of your mum and the shock of finding out things that she didn't know had happened and going into denial a bit. As you have quite rightly pointed out, you do have other supportive and loving people around you (including all of us!!!) and I think for now however hurtful it is you need to accept that at this point in your life there is no need for damaging people like your mum and unsupportive siblings in it.

Pages · 02/09/2006 22:25

Thanks. I do need all of you! I also know that a lot of you on this thread have a good measure of how I am feeling as you have gone through the same thing.

OP posts:
Pages · 02/09/2006 22:26

Thanks GS xx and sorry you got such a bashing before.

OP posts:
shimmy21 · 02/09/2006 22:39

Pages,
you are and have been incredibly strong to confront your mum like this. Really the worst is over now because everything is in the open and there can be no more lies or manipulation.

But for one moment, look at it from your sister's pov. Somebody has just told her that the father she loved, who has always been a kind and loveable man (to her) is in fact a child abuser. Her reaction, shock, denial and anger at you is so understandable (even though it's not what you need or hoped for).

However I am sure that now the information is 'out' she will do a lot of deep thinking and slowly she will start to realise that your story fits more closely to what she really knows of you, her mum and her dad than your mum's version of events.

Give her time. Perhaps a lot more time than you want to give her and I think you'll find that she will find a way to believe and support you. In the meantime take a deep breath and keep reminding yourself that you know you've done the right thing.

Pages · 02/09/2006 23:28

Thanks Shimmy. You are absolutely right, and funnily enogh I don't feel any bad feelings towards my sis, even though she as much as called me a liar and hung up on me. I think that is because she has never treated me like this before whereas my mum and younger brother have sooo many times. She is justa pawn in their game.

I just can't understand why my mum would show my sister that letter knowing how much it would hurt my sis to read that about her dad (who she still has a good relationship with). Well, I do understand - she cares more about getting my sister to gang up on me than about the hurt that it would cause my sister to read it.

OP posts:
harrisey · 02/09/2006 23:58

pages - havent read the whole thread but the answer is yes! I have done and I have no regrets. Mine sounds as hard to cope with as yours, and I feel so much amazingly better for having done it.

Pages · 03/09/2006 12:53

I am feeling really weak and pathetic today - and at the same time so incredibly angry, I can't sleep (only had 2 hours last night) for turning things over in my mind:

DH is furious, says I should tell the other family members everything my mum has said about them, he says what have I got to lose, they already think I'm a liar, they will still say I'm lying but it will sow some seeds of doubt in their minds. I have always felt to do this would be stooping to my mum's level.

Older brother says he wants to email mum and tell her he never wants to see her again, I feel this is too final and we should just bow out gracefully and just not contact her.

But I am so angry with my mum for yet again playing down the stuff that happened in the past to my sister ("telling her what REALLY happened" - wtf!) as well as showing my sister our letter instead of talking to us about it as we had asked. A huge bit of me wants to go back to my mum and tell her that I don't believe that my (real) dad ever beat her (which he did apparently, none of us ever witnessed it but I have always taken what she said as the truth without question), and that it is a lie she has made up to justify leaving him. I only want to say this because I want her to know how it feels to not be believed about something so sensitive. But I couldn't do it because it would hurt her so much. And yet she doesn't care about diminishing what happened to us and yet again telling people we have made this up.

I want to scream! Don't know what to do. Is revenge really sweet? I am really not a vengeful sort of person, but DH says I've got to play her at her own game if I want to win.

What do I do? Sorry to keep banging on about this, my sister's phone call has really set me off balance again....

OP posts:
Pages · 03/09/2006 13:30

Did those of you who have answered "yes" actually tell your mother you didn't want to see her again or did you just cease contact?

OP posts:
Twinkie1 · 03/09/2006 13:37

Pages I haven't had contact with my father for about 5 years now - other than when he stood in court against me - as for my stepmonster its been longer than that and I have to say life is so much less of a problem - children behave like your mother is - not grown ups FFS.

Now if anyone - even my friends say something to me about someone else I will invariably tell them to take the problem up with that person as I don;t have time for tittle tattle and making other peoples lives unbearable.

Cut loose - I'd just not have anything to do with her - not make any grand gestures - honestly life is so much happier without havig to deal with shit of someone else's making.

themoon66 · 03/09/2006 13:46

Have cut all contact with my one and only sister for being an interferring cow who messed with my kids heads and tried to split me and DH up. Shit hit the fan about 2 years ago and I haven't contacted her since.

Last two years have been the most stress free and peaceful of my married life (apart from a bit of teenage angst from DD, which was aggravated by my sister in the first place).

themoon66 · 03/09/2006 13:46

Have cut all contact with my one and only sister for being an interferring cow who messed with my kids heads and tried to split me and DH up. Shit hit the fan about 2 years ago and I haven't contacted her since.

Last two years have been the most stress free and peaceful of my married life (apart from a bit of teenage angst from DD, which was aggravated by my sister in the first place).

themoon66 · 03/09/2006 13:47

Oops sorry.. Wasnt aware I'd hit the post button twice

CountTo10 · 03/09/2006 19:49

Pages I know what your dh is saying and it must be very hard for him to watch you go through this but its not about winning its about how your mum is treating you. I think if you went down that route, not only would you be sinking to her level, you'd be playing right into her hands and would probably end up feeling worse than you do now. I would step back from this. You've done all you can, you don't need to tell anyone you're doing it just step away. Then when and if your mum is grown up to admit her mistakes etc you can take it from there. I really feel for you on this but try to stay positive.

Pages · 04/09/2006 17:40

Thanks everyone. And as soon as I wrote that last post and got it off my chest I felt better. However, having decided to take your advice Counttoten, I then received an email from my sister saying that if I would only apologise to my SIL for making false accusations against her we could all put this behind us and go back to being the loving family we were. And I should stop dragging up the past, my childhood wasn't that bad. Again, wtf!!

She seems to have totally missed the point that I was simply telling my SIL what I believed she had said about my DS because of what my mum told me. Even if what my mum told me turned out to be false or misquoted (and I'm not even so sure it was) why should I apologise - it should be my mum, surely? (ie don't shoot the messenger).

As for the bit about the past...denial is endemic in my family.

Anyway, I have had enough. I have told the whole family (in a manner similar to what Custy initially suggested) by email that my mum DID say what she did, that they have all failed to support me over this and for most of my life, and that they have ridden roughshod over my feeling one time too many and that unless I hear from each of them that they don't believe I am a liar and that the backstabbing is going to stop that they should leave me alone.

OP posts:
SecondhandRose · 04/09/2006 17:55

Pages how old is your Mum? Is she in her 70's?

Pages · 04/09/2006 18:26

No, 60's. Why?

OP posts:
AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/09/2006 18:27

What d'you think of this comment (not from an author I hasten to add!). I quote this as I think it is pertinent to this thread:-

Some toxic parents prefer the child that remains dependent on them and doesn't achieve much ahead of the one that goes out and makes their own way in the world and becomes independent.

They find the latter very threatening (and can sometimes be envious of the child having what they themselves did not).

Swipe left for the next trending thread