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Is DH’s EA finally over? Or am I kidding myself AGAIN?

88 replies

Witchazel · 14/02/2014 16:17

Sorry – long one, but you need the background… My DH has been having an Emotional Affair on and off since Spring 2009.

Prior to 2009 I had never really doubted my DH’s commitment to myself and our children. He is kind, sensitive and generally everything was working well, sex life OK for post kids (as in: no longer at it like rabbits, but still enjoyable and plenty on offer). He is not the most ‘dynamic’ of men and never particularly romantic or demonstrative, but I accept that a lot of blokes just aren’t like that.

We have been together for 21 years and married for 15. We have two DCs: 11 and 7 yrs who adore him and he is a fantastic Dad. They would be utterly devastated if we split up. I had a taste of this in 2011, as I briefly left him (took kids with me).

We both suffered a series of knock backs and tragedies between late 2008 and summer 2009: several deaths of friends and family, his redundancies (3 in a row) and my illness with auto immune underactive thyroid (I had a lump in my neck and cancer had to be ruled out).

He has a fairly humdrum day job, but is also a singer and guitarist, gigging regularly in the evenings. He met the OW through the music scene. I actually encouraged him to go out and find other musicians to play with. They met in Spring 2009 and by August she was texting him all the time (missing him terribly and that he is her soul mate etc) while we were on our family holiday. I had a miserable two weeks. Confronted him and he denied everything, saying it was just a friendship and I was acting like a jealous nutter. After a while I managed to get enough evidence together to prove that they are having EA and he admitted it. Felt for a while like we were getting somewere…

Since that time it has been a rollercoaster ride of discovering texts / emails / Facebook messages or posts on music sites, me confronting him and getting angry, him being remorseful and stopping all communications, several months pass and then suddenly we are off again… It has definitely not been a constant (I have written evidence of this from her), but basically either one puts out a line and the other will eventually crack and bite it.

The last discovery was in October. Most of it was played out on Facebook. He has a music page and uploads YouTube videos and she does the same. In fact, they both have several pages/groups. So even if he blocks her (has done several times) they can still see each other on other pages. She has a habit of setting up new IDs. Their conversations are a mixture of music chat and icky romantic talk (the kind of which I never get!).

So… In October I told him I had reached the end of my rope and it’s now ‘last chance saloon’. Any more contact and I will take steps to end our marriage and that he will have to leave. I am sick of constantly having to trawl through his phone and laptop periodically. Our sex life is miserable. I cannot bear to be touched by him.

Since Christmas he has become very grumpy and withdrawn, short fuse with the kids and started writing poetry (on yet another Facebook page). Some of it is about us - pleasant lighthearted stuff about our family, but others are dark, depressing, mournful and I am convinced those ones are about her. I found a poem written last Mon on his laptop which has not yet been uploaded (never will be?), but I cannot yet decide if it’s actually closure on their relationship ...or not. I have shown it to a good, level-headed friend who knows both of us and she thinks it looks like closure and that I should hang fire, rather than blow the lid off (yet) again.

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MissScatterbrain · 14/02/2014 18:09

The only thing that will bring him to his senses and motivate him is loss.

As it is he is having his cake and eating it Hmm with no real consequences for his selfish and cruel actions.

Witchazel · 14/02/2014 18:10

JoinYourPlayfellows
Thank you.
I'd sort of got half way through those points already.

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Witchazel · 14/02/2014 18:12

I'm off for a bit now doing tea, bed & stuff, but will come back for this later on...

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Feckssake · 14/02/2014 18:13

You have spent five years thinking about them, and not you. When exactly do you get to take centre stage?

This is meant kindly, but you are an extra in their dramalama. You haven't been a main player for all that time. Why are you accepting being a bitplayer in your own life?

I know money is an issue, but 99% of MNers in similar situations have the same issue. You'll find a way. And think of how much you'll find out about yourself that you've forgotten in the past five years when you don't have to concentrate on the mind-numbing tedium of this twelve year old's Grand Passion. Honestly, he sounds like such a tool.

KristinaM · 14/02/2014 18:15

You need legal advice. You need to know what your rights are. Especially as your home is also your workplace. The last things you need is hassle around the mindees or their parents.

Make all your plans and say nothing to your H at all until all your plans are in place.

EverythingCounts · 14/02/2014 18:50

No way, no way, should there be any question of him 'not leaving' if that is what you want. He has been selfish enough already, without then, if you decide you have had enough, deciding that he can stay put and stop your home being a family home and your place of work. It is not your problem, then, that he doesn't earn much re getting a new place - in fact he needs to see that your role (making up for his selfishness and self-indulgence by policing his activities, reining him back into line, hiding all this from the children) has for too long been to insulate him from any problems his behaviour causes, at the cost of your own peace of mind and happiness. No more of that. He can go and find a shitty bedsit, or go to his mum's spare room, and take responsibility for his own life, instead of abdicating any responsibility for acting like an adult because he has Feelings for someone else.

DrankSangriaInThePark · 15/02/2014 08:20

Hello, I came to your thread through the link you posted on another one OP. Smile

Flowers

Because I think you need them. I have nothing much to add to what others have already said. I would be doubting seriously there had ever been periods of no-contact between them. It's very easy for that to be asserted, and "proved" without it ever being true.

Please take all the good advice on here, make your plans, and start to be a little bit selfish. You get one go at this life, and your fuckwit of a husband needs to fuck the fuck off out of yours so you can be yourself and enjoy it. x

Mammanat222 · 15/02/2014 11:25

Here's my tuppence worth...

The salient points to me about this whole situation is that there is zero trust... Now I fully appreciate how much you want to keep your family together but there has to be a cut off point.

The children are young yes but what if something like this happens when they are older? It's got to be a real fear for you as this has been such an ongoing EA?

You also mention that sex is terrible as you don't want him near you - that speaks volumes to me.... and I don't bloody blame you for not wanting to be intimate.

Your husband has put you in a position where you feel you have to constantly check up on him and piece together information? Is this any way to live?

Also the other thing that really stood out is that even when confronted by your "evidence" to begin with he lied.

I think your self respect is more important than keeping the family together. This man has treated you horribly and you are accommodating this treatment.

Your children will benefit far more from having a mother who isn't on a constant mission to prove that her husband is/isn't having an affair.

You deserve better

X

Witchazel · 15/02/2014 15:29

Well this is getting puzzling...

Today he has uploaded a romantic Valentines poem about me to his page, made is both breakfast, then (completely unprompted) put up two curtain poles I bought before Christmas that I had given up nagging about, sorted clothes and put on a wash, picked up all the dog poo in the garden (TMI but significant cos it's my dog and his least favourite job), walked the dog with kids and is now looking for other DIY fixing jobs to do.

Meanwhile I have had a long relaxing bath and then done lots of lady maintenance things (taming eyebrows etc). Which hardly ever happens as I'm usually too busy (literally) picking up the poo myself...

????? WTF

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mammadiggingdeep · 15/02/2014 15:34

Do you really have to ask?!

He's treated you like shit for a very long time. He's cheated in you- with you knowing he has a passion for someone else.

You've made it clear you're at the end of the line with it so like a child he's trying to impress you.

What will he do next time she e mails though?!

JoinYourPlayfellows · 15/02/2014 15:37

It's not puzzling at all.

He's doing jobs around the house so he can stay in the house (where it seems that you normally do most of the work).

You are supposed to go back to being happy to be the boring woman he lives with that doesn't understand him or inspire his grand passions.

So he can go back to indulging his grand passions with a needy woman who makes him feel special by creating ridiculous dramas about everything he does or doesn't do.

mammadiggingdeep · 15/02/2014 15:40

To be honest this fake show of "look how helpful I am" would've me respect him even less.

You shouldve gone out for the day so you didn't have to watch...

TemperamentalAroundCorvids · 15/02/2014 15:55

It could be hoovering (sucking you back in) - or he could be trying to turn over a new leaf. Time will tell.

ImperialBlether · 15/02/2014 15:56

Have you looked at the Entitled To website to see what your financial situation would be like if he moved out, OP? You might find it's not as bad as you thought.

ShatzePage · 15/02/2014 16:04

Oh right he has picked up you're dogs shit so you have to forgive himHmm

You are really not getting this are you-he has cheated on you for 5 YEARS!!!! Its irrelevent whether or not they have had sex. If he was truly sorry he would never have any contact with her ever again but he has quite clearly shown you that this is not going to happen.

He is not a good father or husband. He is a selfish shit and they rarely change but its your choice whether to accept this or not.

ToffeeOwnsTheSausage · 15/02/2014 16:20

He has probably seen this thread.

Whereisegg · 15/02/2014 16:23

Toffee - I was just going to say the same.

I suspect he has seen this thread op.

Witchazel · 15/02/2014 16:33

Oh to DO get it - stop patronising me. I was being sarcastic. It was fun watching all the activity, wouldn't have missed it for the world.

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Witchazel · 15/02/2014 16:35

Is it possible to train a dog to shit in a man's shoe?

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Witchazel · 15/02/2014 16:38

He won't have read this thread... he has no idea about MN and my iphone has been glued to me all day. Funny thought though...

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mammadiggingdeep · 15/02/2014 16:39

I don't know but it's possible to tell a cheating arsehole to sling his hook and stop patronising you by pretending to be helpful!!

KristinaM · 15/02/2014 17:05

One of the things I find deeply irritation about these married men ( and women ) with their " grand passion" for their OM /OW is that they believe that they are are powerless against this attraction for someone else. That none of the rest of us in relationships have ever been attracted to someone else. That it's so easy for us to remain faithful. Its so hard for them. Such bloody drama queens Angry

Witchazel · 15/02/2014 17:06

Not being hasty for very good reason. Need to remortgage house and shift some money about first. Contacted a mortgage broker yesterday. I don't want to get shafted in the process by not figuring out the best way to organise the finances and bolt too soon. So that's what I'm up to. Entitled To website says I will get £170 a week plus child benefit, which I get now already but it goes into a joint account and pays for out annual holiday normally.

Glad it's half term next week cos I'm not working and can concentrate on this properly without 3 extra toddlers in the house.

In the meantime I have made a list of stuff he can fix round the house - HA! Might as well make himself useful...

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Witchazel · 15/02/2014 17:09

To clarify... mortgage currently in his name only. I want my name on it!

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KristinaM · 15/02/2014 17:09

Well done hazel, just keep channelling your anger into getting all the practical things sorted out. Too much analysing why he did /said this , why you didn't do something before etc will do your head in.