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Is DH’s EA finally over? Or am I kidding myself AGAIN?

88 replies

Witchazel · 14/02/2014 16:17

Sorry – long one, but you need the background… My DH has been having an Emotional Affair on and off since Spring 2009.

Prior to 2009 I had never really doubted my DH’s commitment to myself and our children. He is kind, sensitive and generally everything was working well, sex life OK for post kids (as in: no longer at it like rabbits, but still enjoyable and plenty on offer). He is not the most ‘dynamic’ of men and never particularly romantic or demonstrative, but I accept that a lot of blokes just aren’t like that.

We have been together for 21 years and married for 15. We have two DCs: 11 and 7 yrs who adore him and he is a fantastic Dad. They would be utterly devastated if we split up. I had a taste of this in 2011, as I briefly left him (took kids with me).

We both suffered a series of knock backs and tragedies between late 2008 and summer 2009: several deaths of friends and family, his redundancies (3 in a row) and my illness with auto immune underactive thyroid (I had a lump in my neck and cancer had to be ruled out).

He has a fairly humdrum day job, but is also a singer and guitarist, gigging regularly in the evenings. He met the OW through the music scene. I actually encouraged him to go out and find other musicians to play with. They met in Spring 2009 and by August she was texting him all the time (missing him terribly and that he is her soul mate etc) while we were on our family holiday. I had a miserable two weeks. Confronted him and he denied everything, saying it was just a friendship and I was acting like a jealous nutter. After a while I managed to get enough evidence together to prove that they are having EA and he admitted it. Felt for a while like we were getting somewere…

Since that time it has been a rollercoaster ride of discovering texts / emails / Facebook messages or posts on music sites, me confronting him and getting angry, him being remorseful and stopping all communications, several months pass and then suddenly we are off again… It has definitely not been a constant (I have written evidence of this from her), but basically either one puts out a line and the other will eventually crack and bite it.

The last discovery was in October. Most of it was played out on Facebook. He has a music page and uploads YouTube videos and she does the same. In fact, they both have several pages/groups. So even if he blocks her (has done several times) they can still see each other on other pages. She has a habit of setting up new IDs. Their conversations are a mixture of music chat and icky romantic talk (the kind of which I never get!).

So… In October I told him I had reached the end of my rope and it’s now ‘last chance saloon’. Any more contact and I will take steps to end our marriage and that he will have to leave. I am sick of constantly having to trawl through his phone and laptop periodically. Our sex life is miserable. I cannot bear to be touched by him.

Since Christmas he has become very grumpy and withdrawn, short fuse with the kids and started writing poetry (on yet another Facebook page). Some of it is about us - pleasant lighthearted stuff about our family, but others are dark, depressing, mournful and I am convinced those ones are about her. I found a poem written last Mon on his laptop which has not yet been uploaded (never will be?), but I cannot yet decide if it’s actually closure on their relationship ...or not. I have shown it to a good, level-headed friend who knows both of us and she thinks it looks like closure and that I should hang fire, rather than blow the lid off (yet) again.

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JohnFarleysRuskin · 14/02/2014 17:26

How many times has he 'fallen off the wagon"?

JoinYourPlayfellows · 14/02/2014 17:29

So you are all 100% positive that (if she has in fact dumped him) we will never have anything left worth rekindling or working through?

Whether or not there would be anything worth saving when this is over (and even if she has dumped him, it's far from over) is not knowable at this point.

But the longer this ridiculous shite goes on for, the less likely it is that you will.

Your choices are

1 accept this and stop playing your part
2 refuse to accept it and ask him to leave

There is NO POINT is issuing any more demands. That is now PART of their love story.

Every time you (and his mother and brother) roast him for this, you add fuel to the fire of their passion.

The best chance you have of ever having a relationship with him that doesn't involve her is to expose this for the tawdry, predictable, pathetic shit that it is.

And you won't do that by making another big fuss.

You can MAYBE do that by making it clear to him that your feelings for him as a romantic partner have been ended by watching him be such a cruel and self-obsessed prick for so long.

Jan45 · 14/02/2014 17:31

And it's HIM who would be breaking up the family, you are not responsible for that, he is. He hasn't given a shit about his family for five years.

somedizzywhore1804 · 14/02/2014 17:33

Ridiculous!!! Leave! I don't care if they've never had sex- and I'm not sure I believe that- it's absolutely disgusting that he's been find this for FIVE FUCKING YEARS!!!

SaucyJack · 14/02/2014 17:34

So you are all 100% positive that (if she has in fact dumped him) we will never have anything left worth rekindling or working through?

Sweetheart, he loves another woman Sad

Even if she has dumped him and he is prepared to settle for you, is that really what you want for yourself?

You're not a mug for wanting your marriage to work out at all, but you only get one go at this life and I personally think you've wasted enough of it already on that deadbeat.

Go and find a bloke who fancies you and remember what fun is. The kids will get over it.

Witchazel · 14/02/2014 17:34

OK... So on a day to day level he is witty, funny, constantly tries to kiss and cuddle me (that I don't mind, but sex I'm not so sure about). Always telling me I'm gorgeous. He has been making an effort since October and I did feel it was slightly different to before. Many of the messages between them both he has told her how much he loves me and the kids and has no intention of being any more than a 'friend' to her. She has a DH and kids as well - and absolutely no intention of leaving the family home either. They saw each other briefly in the high street before Christmas and he cut her dead - I know this because I found her email - she was devastated. This is why I think it might be worth watching and waiting.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 14/02/2014 17:36

It's not so much whether you'd have anything left worth saving as whether you'd be able to trust him again. You're already in the unenviable role of Private Investigator Wife... checking up on his communications etc. That's not a relaxing or self-affirming way to live. They've ended it for months on end previously and it's always fired back up. What's to say this isn't just another temporary lull... albeit with gloomy poetry? Hmm

It's a case of 'be careful what you wish for'. He may be back on the team but any short-term relief or happiness you feel could be spoilt by that background mistrust. That's the risk.

sisterofmercy · 14/02/2014 17:38

Have you asked his mum and brother if they know anything?

Jan45 · 14/02/2014 17:39

I don't understand how you can have any respect for him after what he has done to you, I get the feeling he is only there cos you never actually told him to go. If he doesn't do it again with her, there will be someone else, just give it time.

Seriously do you want to be with a man who's got one foot out the door? You could find someone equally funny, witty, romantic etc but he won't cheat and go behind your back.

JoinYourPlayfellows · 14/02/2014 17:40

What happened the last time you left him?

Why did you go back?

Why didn't you leaving make him stop this ridiculous carry on with this incredibly silly and needy woman?

Witchazel · 14/02/2014 17:43

Mum and Brother are lovely people and sympathetic to me, but I haven't spoken to them about this since October. TBH if I do go down the route of asking him to leave, it might be best to keep that bit quiet for now.

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wilkos · 14/02/2014 17:51

This relationship is ongoing - the OW being "devastated" when he ignored her in the high street clearly means that even if he is temporarily not willing do I need to point out that this periodically happens and he has so far always gone back she still believes there is still something between them.

Honestly, how old are they. Fifteen FFS?

However it's clear you want us all to agree with your friend and tell you that no you're definitely not kidding yourself and DH will fall gratefully back into your arms Hmm

Good luck. You will need it.

Witchazel · 14/02/2014 17:51

JoinYourPlayfellows: When I left it I printed off a load of Facebook messages between them and left them on the table for him to find (he was asleep) and just left. Went to a soft play centre initially, so I could get my head together and work out where to go. A good friend came and picked us up and we stayed at hers for a bit. DH was hysterical and said he was 'dead' without me, begged me to come back, promised to end things with her (he did for a whole year). I went back because I thought he was suitably remorseful, my kids were unhappy and I was aware that I had left the family home (not a good move, I now know).

Things are slightly different now, I am not so able to just up and leave. I am a Childminder working at home and I have a dog as well as the kids now. It won't be me leaving next time if anyone is going...

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wilkos · 14/02/2014 17:54

I mean, are you just not so very tired of being the one he doesn't want?

LilyBlossom14 · 14/02/2014 17:55

He may be good in many ways but the most important thing which is trust is completely missing. I don't believe it is just an EA - she says he is her soulmate yet they have never slept together. Sorry, but I don't believe that. Plus him writing her poetry full of angst. If she were single I bet he would be leaving you for her.

You spend a lot of time policing him, you remember all these dates of when he saw her - you are reassuring yourself he ignored her, what which email said and when. How utterly exhausting and soul destroying that you have to do this about the one person you should be able to rely on and trust with anything and everything.

Don't you think you deserve more than that, don't you think you should be his number 1?

JoinYourPlayfellows · 14/02/2014 17:55

Right, so he was devastated that you left and wanted you to come back.

So, the next time he got in touch with her he did it KNOWING that he risked you leaving again.

Why do you think he was prepared to take that risk if he was "dead" without you? Confused

When you found out that he was in touch with her AGAIN, why didn't you make him go then?

What convinced you to play the part of Big Bad Wife thwarting their eternal love?

Witchazel · 14/02/2014 17:57

wilkos: this is a MASSIVE deal for me and I am grateful for the advice. Yes I do feel a mug. Yes I do see how it is going. I am very angry - spent most of last night being angry and plotting. But if I am to extricate myself I don't want a big drama this time. I need to sort my head out and make sure everything is in place so I don't get shafted. Money is a massive issue here (lack of) and huge mortgage that I cannot afford to pay. He doesn't earn a massive amount. Basically I cannot see where the money will come from for him to live elsewhere, we are struggling to make ends meet as it is.

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Witchazel · 14/02/2014 18:00

Also - because of my work - he has to leave me and I cannot see him agreeing to do that.

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wilkos · 14/02/2014 18:00

These ego are utterly tragic. As others up thread have already pointed out, you are playing a valuable part in their romance and drama as the thwarter of their love... if you remove yourself from this "love triangle" barf I expect the gloss would soon disappear for them both.

And you might regain a) your self esteem, and b) your life.

AnyFucker · 14/02/2014 18:01

Yes, you are a mug

They must have laughed a lot at you over the last 5 years

Have you no self respect at all ? Confused

wilkos · 14/02/2014 18:02

These two not ego. Sausage fingers

Fair enough about practicalities, cross posted, but please start making plans NOW.

wilkos · 14/02/2014 18:05

As for where he will live, that is not your problem. If he ends up on the floor at a friends indefinitely or worse that is the price of his 5 years of acting like a total prick.

JoinYourPlayfellows · 14/02/2014 18:06

If I was trying to win this man back (and I wouldn't be) this is what I'd do

  1. get all my ducks in a row for leaving him before doing or saying anything to him, so that if it didn't go my way I'd be prepared
  1. tell him that as far as I was concerned our marriage was a sham because he was clearly in love with another woman. That I was no longer prepared to stand between him and the One True Love of his life. And also that I thought their attachment was incredibly juvenile and shallow and that I no longer had any respect left for a man who behaved in the way he did.
  1. ask him to live separately from me in our home. refuse to allow any more hugs or physical contact. Treat him as a housemate but not remotely as a wife and make very clear that any feelings of love between us were, as far as I was concerned, cheapened to the point of meaninglessness.
  1. use him as childcare while I went out and pursued an interesting new hobby of my own and made some new friends. I would not tell him ANYTHING about my new interest and I would not involve him in the slightest.
  1. if I met anyone I found attractive, I would consider dating them.

If after all of this he FINALLY realised I was actually worth more than the stupid, silly, clingy woman he is fixated on, and if I was still interested in such a pathetic, needy, childish man, then I would possibly consider talking to him about rebuilding our marriage.

But I would need him to tell this ridiculous gobshite that their whole drama was a ridiculous sham and that she meant nothing to him. And I would need him to mean it.

Witchazel · 14/02/2014 18:07

I am planning already. Want to know how the land lies first before I make any moves ...get my head together. I have friends who have divorced and left with the kids and it didn't end well (they ended up in shitty rented houses miles from school). I am staying put here for as long as possible. I do not see why we should be homeless as well as all this crap. AND my home is also my income.

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MissScatterbrain · 14/02/2014 18:07
Sad

He has an emotional (if not sexual) attachment to OW - surely it must devastate you that they have this kind of close intimacy and share such personal things? And that you are outside left in the cold, looking into their relationship? That he does not invest any effort or energy into the marriage?

A man who betrays the mother of his DC and treats her with disrespect is NOT a good father.

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