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How do I respond to this email from DH?

422 replies

catgirl1976 · 06/02/2014 09:06

DH and I have some problems. I think a few people on here might remember some of them and some of MN have the strong opinion that DH is not good for me.

However, I do love him. But I am exhausted and unhappy.

I tried to talk to him last night and this morning found the email below in my inbox.

I just don't know how to reply, or what I want. Well I do. I want things back the way they were and I want a partner.

Does anyone have any advice on how I should respond?

Hello Cat,

It guts me to see you so unhappy. It really wasn't the intention. You see there was a time when we had fun and I thought it rocked. So much so I didn't want anything to interrupt that. But you wanted a baby and reluctantly I acquiesced. Thank the stars I did. Look at DS! He is incredible and amazing.

That doesn't help you though. (Actually it should but lets move on from that).

You are right, I have changed. I have grown older, and also commercially very cynical. My entire life I have been looking for happiness, I have actually found it in our DS. I never expected this and certainly didn't ask for it, but he has had a profound effect on my outlook on life.

Its a crime that you were forced (in part by me I guess) back to work so early. I do agree you have drawn the shitty end of a long stick. The answer is simple, that being get a new job. However I fear you will be unhappy wherever you are. Certainly XX despite its shortcomings is far better than any company I have had the grace to work for. I also admit that's not saying much.

You are 100% Correct in that I could do more around the house. I hope you acknowledge the increased effort I have been putting into this. An example would be tidying up even though I have DS. Yes I could do more, but I am sure you can relate to the amount of demands he makes on one and given that its easy to procrastinate. However that said I will increase my productivity and I hope it makes life easier for you.

For me though the nub is that I feel as out of place as you do. I have said repeatedly that I would love to do your job, hell I have even advised you on it (Not that you really need it, you are more than competent, I was just trying to help). The fact of the matter is that at the ripe old age of forty I have no other trade than selling. Between you, me and the gatepost, I cannot and will not return to the environment that I used to inhabit. I cant. Call it burnt out, mid life crisis, or laziness. I simply cannot do that anymore. As I have stated, i would rather clean toilets.

Maybe I should clean toilets. It would be fairer of course to contribute financially. However the one thing that does bring me a modicum of prestige is DS. I have worked so hard (and enjoyed it, a luxury you don't have in your vocation) to help and develop him. I think I am just in being proud of my Son, regardless of bias.

You are right, I do need friends and interests outside this house. However in my experience the Muppets I worked with tended to be the opposite of my outlook in every way. A notable exception would be XX. That said I don't expect to find many “XX's” in any job I stand a snowballs chance of getting.

I can see how hard you are working and pushing yourself. Its obvious that the gas tank it empty and its not sustainable. I will do whatever I can to help, with recourse to the above. I cannot fix your career.

I cannot be the the dude you fell in love with either. I'm older, slower (still quick) and jaded. But the two aspects of my life where I raise a smile are (in order) TDS and you. You are exhausted, mentally, physically and emotionally. Its not surprising give the amount of responsibility on your shoulders. It means everything to me to be able to help, but DS means everything to me too, and I want to have a real, fundamental impact on him and be the father I never had. In a nutshell that means forsaking everything for him.

I don't want to forsake you though. However if we are at the point where you simply don't see why you married me, or that dude that looked you up (and down) in halls then I get it. I am not a parasite and will bow out with as much honour as I can muster.

I love you and always will, but I cant stand seeing you this unhappy. I do believe we can grow from this position, however I respect your feelings too and If that isn't a decision you subscribe to I understand.

I Love you, and pray that is enough.

x

OP posts:
flippinada · 07/02/2014 09:14

I use the term man in its loosest sense, of course...

Writerwannabe83 · 07/02/2014 09:23

I hope you are ok this morning Cat Thanks

TheBeautifulVisit · 07/02/2014 09:27

I'd leave someone who used the phrase "it guts me". Grin

He sounds incredibly full of himself and is using blatant emotional blackmail to get to stay at home.

DuskAndShiver · 07/02/2014 09:30

Oh god I was purposely averting my eyes from the grammar. I am not going to go there.

It's the content, and the meaning, though - look at this follow up:

"However I fear you will be unhappy wherever you are."

What does this mean? Perhaps, in its more reasonable interpretation, it could mean "you could have the best and most rewarding job in the world and still be miserably exhausted if your partner doesn't pull his weight" (which would be true and would also acknowledge that this has nothing to do with catgirl's job). I don't think it means that though. I think it is a snide dig at catgirl being a moaner. Look at the next bit:

"Certainly XX despite its shortcomings is far better than any company I have had the grace to work for. I also admit that's not saying much. "

He means that catgirl actually has quite a cushy job, cushier than he has ever had, so what is she moaning about? It's all so dripping with self pity. He is reminding her that his forays into the world of work have been crushing and soul-destroying. Whereas her job seems relatively alright (in his judgement - whatever that is worth), so she is favoured and blessed, and therefore has a duty to continue to support him.

Of course, this is not about her job at all, she is unhappy because of you so this whole venture into her job is a total red herring.

This is really winding me up because I used to have a bf who didn't work while I did, and he was always making out that it was somehow easier for me to work, my job was cushy, I had lucked into it (erm no I temped on £5 an hour for years to get the experience and contacts while you were lying on a sofa smoking weed) etc

TheBeautifulVisit · 07/02/2014 09:41

I wish we could sit him in Graham Norton's chair and we could all pull the handle for you, to eject him.

Is there any chance OP, that you could go part time in your job? Just tell him it's impossible for you to marry your home responsibilities with working full time. I would be inclined to do that. Then separate and commence divorce proceedings.

CheeseStrawWars · 07/02/2014 09:45

Someone mentioned co-dependency upthread.

"Hints for determining if a relationship is co-dependent"

"...You feel trapped by the relationship, and that if you do something for yourself (like change or grow), you’ll be horrible for abandoning them.
You feel guilty about moving on from the person, because after all, they’ve done so much for you in the past. And they’d crumble up and wither away with you.
You want to save the other person in some way. You’re certain that you’re the best person for the job of savior because you love and truly understand them. But the person doesn’t want saving, is resistant to your help, or acts like they care but then continually sabotages all your efforts.
You tolerate mistreatment or abuse from the other person because you love them too damn much, and you’re stronger than this, better than this. It’s a royal rationalization.
You repeatedly tell yourself that if you hang on long enough, they’ll change, take your advice, see the light, and finally love you the way you deserve."

mindfulconstruct.com/2010/07/09/end-a-codependent-relationship-the-healthy-way/

bragmatic · 07/02/2014 09:46

You know what? This guy might lift his game, just enough for you to stay. But not enough for you to be really happy.

He may just continue to skate right up to the line of unforgivable arseholery....but never cross it completely. You'll (justifiably) complain, he'll improve for a bit, and then it starts again.

You deserve better.

Glowbuggy · 07/02/2014 09:58

Oh god Cat, I really hoped if I saw a thread from you again it would be in relation to a divorce!

Your husband is still one of the biggest dickhead cocklodging wank stains I have ever read about.

LTB

By the way, in the letter, 40 and tired? 1 DS two days a week? Fuck off! My DH isn't perfect by any means but works FT, bathes the kids every night, helps with dinner, dishes, drop offs...you get my drift. This is what YOU deserve, because you sound lovely.

Zazzles007 · 07/02/2014 09:59

I haven't read your threads before Catgirl, but I am [shocked] that you have been saddled with this parasitic, cock-lodging man-child. What sort of man needs another adult's help to figure out a house work roster? What happened when he did work in sales? Did he need his manager to hold his hand and help him work out how to see all of his customers on a regular basis? I bet not.

Seriously get rid of this sack of spuds you have been carrying around. You do not have to parent him as well as your child. Once you are rid, you will start to feel much better.

YouStayClassySanDiego · 07/02/2014 10:10

He's probably one of the most cuntish of men I've read about across mn due to his fucking passive aggressive manner.

I'd love you to shove that game console right up his arse, right up there alongside a fucking toilet brush!

Awful twat of a man.

AvonCallingBarksdale · 07/02/2014 10:13

I'm actually quite concerned now that catgirl1976 hasn't been back for a while. Cat, if you're reading, can you let us know that all is well?

Writerwannabe83 · 07/02/2014 10:22

Hopefully she's just at work and it isn't convenient to reply yet or she is unable to. I understand concerns though, especially in light of people saying he can have an aggressive/violent nature - yet another reason to absolutely LTB!

flippinada · 07/02/2014 10:28

Yes, I hope catgirl is ok.

It's entirely possible she's just too exhausted to post, with the situation at home being what it is.

IshouldhavemarriedEwanMcGregor · 07/02/2014 10:35

I am sure she is fine - she is extremely busy as we all know...

We are all thinking of you, Cat.

Cat - you think you love him, maybe you do (or the illlusion of him) but I promise you that love will go. It will probably be quite suddent, quite a shock. People with better marriages and better husbands lose the love over time - it gets eroded by exhaustion, small resentments, life basically. This guy has sucked all the energy and happiness from him but next he will suck the love you have for him out of you. Then you will definitely leave him.

(Ps Avon - I love your name!)

IshouldhavemarriedEwanMcGregor · 07/02/2014 10:35

Sucked the energy and happiness from you I mean obviously

Thurlow · 07/02/2014 10:49

Hope you're ok this morning, cat.

AvonCallingBarksdale · 07/02/2014 11:25

Yep, I know she's very busy and also, to be fair, she has no obligation to post back. I've just read the threads for a long time and feel Angry for Cat.

Thanks IshouldhavemarriedEwanMcGregor Smile I used to live opposite EM years ago...

NaggingNellie · 07/02/2014 12:19

Hi just wondering how the OP is doing.

catgirl1976 · 07/02/2014 12:57

I'm so sorry! I'm fine - I've just been in back to back meetings at work all day and was up from 4:30am with DS

I am SO sorry if any one was worried. :(

I got home to a completely sparkling house and dinner cooked.

But don't worry, I am not swooning with joy at this marvelous miracle that means everything is ok.

I am standing my ground on how unhappy I am and how wrong things are and taking time to work out what I want to do.

The co-dependency thing upthread has really resonated.

I have a doctors appointment next week and I am going to ask for some counselling to help me work out why I am putting up with this and to help me sort my own head out.

I'm so sorry if people were worried Thanks

OP posts:
HoratiaDrelincourt · 07/02/2014 13:01

Glad to hear.

I hope your response to the house was not "thanks" but "see? that wasn't so hard".

Good luck in counselling.

IshouldhavemarriedEwanMcGregor · 07/02/2014 13:02

Glad you are ok.

I seem to remember your threads often (always?) end like this...'so he's made dinner, being great, I've told him I won't stand for it anymore, things are going to change...'. Then they don't.

Good luck with the counselling, I think it's a great idea.

Ps You really don't need to apologise for not coming back - I know people can be concerned but I personally feel it's unfair to pressurise and post about feeling worried...

OrangeMochaFrappucino · 07/02/2014 13:03

Why was it you getting up at 4.30 when you have work all day..?

I'm glad things are sounding positive and you have got plans in place.

IshouldhavemarriedEwanMcGregor · 07/02/2014 13:07

Jellyandcake - I work FT out of the home, my dh is (or was) SAHD. I always got up in the night because I wanted to be there for the dc, it was my choice and I'm sure Cat feels the same. But I get your point!!

OrangeMochaFrappucino · 07/02/2014 13:11

Of course that's fine - but his failure to get up with the baby and cat's exhaustion has been a long-standing issue in her threads which was why I mentioned it. Sorry if it was overly presumptuous though.

IshouldhavemarriedEwanMcGregor · 07/02/2014 13:20

Oh I totally agree with you Jelly, don't think it was presumptuous at all. It's just that if Cat is anything like me, it would be more stressful to not go to your dc in the night, knowing you will have to go to work 2/3 hours later. (And more stressful to try and get a selfish, reluctant lump up to go to their child I'd imagine...)