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Can't be bothered to name change. Discovered emails on DH's phone...

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JonesTheSteam · 01/02/2014 01:21

He's been having an affair with someone he works with...

I felt angry initially. Now just feel numb... :-(

Hand holding please...

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JonesTheSteam · 30/03/2014 21:17

This may sound really odd but I've had a lovely weekend and have had huge periods of time where I haven't thought about what has happened at all.

DH looked after the DCs all day from midday-ish yesterday so I could go to a rehearsal / concert. We bought a new car for me in the morning (something we'd been discussing since just before Christmas). I spent yesterday and some of today in the company of other people - lots of inane chat and laughter - and realised that most people who know me think I'm witty and value me as a friend / colleague.

DH has been hard at work doing stuff around the house all day - little jobs that needed doing.

I feel the most relaxed I've been for weeks.

I know my happiness doesn't depend on him. He contributes to it (usually!), yes, but there is so much more to my life than our relationship.

This evening we have even discussed that he feels he should tell his mum what has happened. Completely take responsibility for it.

Counselling was v helpful for me last week. First session together this Weds.

Feeling hopeful....

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Ivehearditallnow · 31/03/2014 12:10

That's great Jones! It's cheered me up on a gloomy morning.
Biscuit

JohnFarleysRuskin · 31/03/2014 12:43

A lovely up-date.

You've got lots of fans on here too. Thanks

JonesTheSteam · 01/04/2014 07:14

Thanks for the flowers and biscuits... :-)

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Ivehearditallnow · 01/04/2014 10:53

You'll need a Brew to go with that ;-)

Pimpf · 02/04/2014 09:43

That's fantastic Jones, good for you.

Pimpf · 06/04/2014 23:19

Ow you doing Jones?

JonesTheSteam · 07/04/2014 07:39

Ups and downs which I guess is to be expected.

More ups than downs.

We are talking more than we have in years. Being more honest than we would have been in the past. More affection between us. We've had a couple of nights out which have been good on the whole. I also have a night out for a friend's birthday and a girly weekend to look forward to in the next month or so.

I am still a long way from forgiveness in some ways. But it's still early days isn't it? It's only just over two months since all this started. It feels like the longest couple of months EVER!! :-(

The counselling was going ok. I feel I've gone as far as I can individually for a while. We are taking a break from it for a while and deciding what to do next (more individual counselling for him or couples counselling if we feel ready).

My parents and my sister are being very supportive, as are my friends.

I feel calmer. But still so sad sometimes than we are at this point... :-(

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Pimpf · 07/04/2014 07:59

I pleased to hear there are more ups. I know it must feel like an eternity to you and feel that you've done so well.

I hope you continue to get more ups. Remember we're here for the ups and downs if you want to share, but don't feel like you have to.

Take care x

JonesTheSteam · 07/04/2014 17:31

Thanks Pimpf :-)

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JonesTheSteam · 07/04/2014 22:31

Am I wrong to even try?

Once a cheater always a cheater?

I can't see that being true of DH, but what if I'm wrong... He is so repentant, so sad that he's hurt me...

I hate all this... :-(

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QuiteSo · 08/04/2014 05:43

I think it's normal to have those doubts.

Despite his repentance now the fact remains he would still be having the affair if you hadn't found out. And you also now know that he is willing to lie on a grand scale to you, his life partner.

That in itself is probably a useful life lesson to have learnt. So although he won't necessarily cheat again, you now know he has the capacity to do so and the deception skills to cover it up. What that means for your future relationship only you can say.

hellsbellsmelons · 08/04/2014 10:14

Of course you are not wrong to try.

This is your life, your husband and only you know if you can do this.

Some couples come out of this kind of thing stronger than ever.

Some try but can't get past the hurt and deception.

Some don't even try as they don't feel they can.

Every situation is different and you need to do what is best for you.

Some men do only cheat the once. They feel the guilt and remorse and never go back to that.

Others can feel they got away with it once so they can do it again.

You are trying and you want to keep trying.
So keep on trying for now. You may reach the conclusion in a couple of months time that you will never get over this.
You may realise that your relationship is recovering and you will be OK.

It will take time. Don't expect it to be all hearts and chocolates straight away. You have a lot of hurt to overcome first.

Take your time, you'll get to where you want to be when good and ready.

Ivehearditallnow · 08/04/2014 16:27

Great post, Hells. x

tessa6 · 08/04/2014 16:37

I really wouldn't stress yourself about the 'once a cheater…' thing, Jones. I agree that there are people who cheat in every relationship and then just stop, there are also people you would NEVER imagine who find themselves conducting a ten year affair after decades of fidelity. It's unusual but not unheard of. Also, without meaning to be positive through bleakness, there are loads of people who are unfaithful and never get found out, the majority in fact. So I'm afraid the simplistic guide of dividing the world into cheaters and non-cheaters is pretty inaccurate anyway. At least it's impossible for us to really know subjectively.
You just have to be present in the relationship you are in now, really trust your instincts towards him, make demands as to how you want to live and to have a clear bottom line that you stick to. I think that's all we can do. Good luck, it sounds like it's all going really well.

Pimpf · 08/04/2014 20:41

You are right Jones, there are some that are serial cheats, doesn't mean that they all are.

It's still very soon don't forget, your feelings are completely normal.

Eventually, you will get more good than bad days

JonesTheSteam · 08/04/2014 23:33

Thanks all.

Had a wobble last night.

Feeling a bit better this evening.

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hellsbellsmelons · 09/04/2014 11:14

You will have loads of wobbles but there are loads of us on here that can help you through those wobbles.
I hope today is looking a bit clearer for you.

JonesTheSteam · 09/04/2014 13:17

Yeah, a bit clearer thanks.

Yesterday's wobble was induced by not feeling that we've really got to the why yet? I panicked that something DH said right after discovery (that he hadn't been happy for a while before the affair) was maybe really behind it all and at some point he's going to turn around and say he doesn't love me after all and he is going to leave. In which case, what's the point of trying?

We chatted about it last night. He said that he had never been unhappy before all this. He'd never even thought about whether he was unhappy or not as he was, generally. (The being stuck in a bit of a rut after an unexpected DC3 with an 8 year gap that we both recognise now, is with hindsight, not something either of us were really aware of at the time.)

The reason he said that he'd been unhappy for 'a while' before the affair is because he was trying to justify in his mind why he'd done this. He said he knows now that it was just to make himself feel that he had a reason to do this, when really he hasn't and he has just behaved really selfishly and was looking for something to blame other than himself and he recognises now that there isn't.

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JonesTheSteam · 09/04/2014 13:18

I suspect there's some pretty appalling use of the English language in there somewhere. Can't really see what I'm posting on my phone... :-D

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pausingforbreath · 09/04/2014 13:46

Sounds like a constructive chat - hope he's helped you with your wobble.
Good he's taking it all on and recognising he's the one at fault.

ormirian · 09/04/2014 15:16

"The reason he said that he'd been unhappy for 'a while' before the affair is because he was trying to justify in his mind why he'd done this"

Dh said that in the nightmare 24 hours after I found his texts and before he came clean as to exactly what had been happening. He said it while we we lying in bed in the dark, in a calm, even, resigned voice.

The thing that still even now upsets me more than the rest of the stupid uninventive predictable mess was that he can't remember saying it, or any of the other things. He was drunk - maybe. Normally if he gets drunk he gets louder, happier, more affectionate. He tries to interpret what I told him he said - and he tells me the same as your H told you - but I would be much easier if he actually remembered saying those words.

If, at some point in the future, I do decide I can't do this any more it will be those words, that time, feeling out of control, sick with panic, my feeling of worthlessness and failure, and that HE DID THAT TO ME, that will be the cause, not the fact that he 'fell in love' with some silly cow who thought he was her knight in shining armour.

God! I am angry now..... doesn't happen often these days

Good luck, you are doing so well. The self-doubt is inevitable and I won't lie and tell you will definitely stop feeling it completely. For me, what I lost was the total confidence and trust I had before, and that undermines but also strengthens you. I am a different person. And that isn't altogether a bad thing. I was a happy fool, now I wiser woman with a bit more of a shadow over me.

hellsbellsmelons · 09/04/2014 15:56

It's good he's realised that is why he's done it.
Most men never own up to that.
They just keep rewriting history to justify their behaviour.
Keep talking, keep asking him anything you want. You may not ever get the 'answers' you are looking for and I think that's the case with most of us.
Why??? As he has explained, because he was a selfish twat at that point in time with no thought of you or his family.
There is no simple answer as to 'why'.
Keep going and keep strong.

JonesTheSteam · 09/04/2014 17:49

Similar issues here ormirian.

DH can barely remember telling me he didn't love me any more before Christmas as he'd drunk a fair bit of wine before it came out... Those words hurt me so much but his memory of it is hazy to say the least. He certainly can't remember what he was feeling as he said them...

Hurts far more than the fact he shagged the skanky bitch from work... :-/

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Pimpf · 09/04/2014 18:26

At least he's being honest with you, not telling you what he thinks you want to hear.

Wobbles are to be expected, and more will come, but they'll lessen over time

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