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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: thread 28

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CharlotteCollinsinherownplace · 10/01/2014 17:57

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you’re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you’re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don’t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 04/03/2014 16:55

That's the Coram Children's Legal Centre - I got the number either from NSPCC or Women's Aid, can't remember which.

FairyFi · 04/03/2014 16:58

couldn't get any advice atall with them, I have been that route and they just insist on doing an LA assessment which I failed, twice.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 04/03/2014 17:08

LA assessment? They didn't ask anything about legal aid (if that's what you mean by LA, anyway). Or about income or anything.

They just offer free advice.

FairyFi · 04/03/2014 17:21

they offered a signposting service and asked to do an assessment; I didn't get any free advice. I will call again. I'm sure I'm thinking of the same one.

FairyFi · 04/03/2014 17:21

i could be confused Confused again

TisILeclerc · 05/03/2014 13:52

Hello. I've spent a long time rereading old threads as I'm preparing them for a police investigation and realised how much I missed you all. Not only that but how much the old timers gave to the thread. Now I'm out and a little bit more settled maybe it's about time I came back and gave to the thread instead of just taking?

I'll read up later x

arthriticfingers · 05/03/2014 14:31

Delurking to say hi to 'Tis
Are you ok?

TheShimmeringPussycat · 05/03/2014 15:26

no longer TAC, this is the new old me :)

I've read quite a few old threads myself, as I am writing up what FW called in divorce papers "the narrative of the marriage". (Not surprisingly his version differs from mine - but I have documentation)

How are you both (arth and tis)?

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 05/03/2014 15:45

Hi Tis Welcome back.

I've been reading old threads as well.

TisILeclerc · 05/03/2014 16:00

Nostalgia abounds hey Smile

I'm good thank you. Divorce is going through. It's all kicked off recently with a prohibited steps order being granted at the beginning of December. DD1 went to the police (under her own steam, nothing to do with me) early last month and off the back of that, contact has been stopped entirely. We both spent almost a whole day doing video interviews and then FW was interviewed for four hours about ten days later. The police are continuing to investigate not (unfortunately) based on what DD1 said but going forward on the allegations I have made re the sexual stuff.

Last time we were in court the sw recommended that he was granted indirect contact - weekly letters to the children. Bearing in mind that only 6wks earlier FW had opposed my residency application saying that he wanted the dcs 2 nights eow and 2 weeknights each week, it was something of a surprise to find out that he was 'unable to commit to weekly letters as unlike the applicant mother he works full time' so he requested fortnightly contact instead. The judge's face was a total picture, like WTAF? Hmm Grin

So, it's all systems go with that. The police are coming soon to collect the threads, pictures (showing the PA), emails, texts etc.

I've also made a decision that we're moving home to South Wales. I've stood in my own two feet up here just fine but I would really like to increase the support networks around me so I'm looking to move possibly in the summer hols. My parents are (natch) delighted. The dcs are pretty cool with it. The girls are a little bit worried but it will be ok. DD1 will be starting college so she will be one of many new girls. DD2 will be starting y10 so being the new kid will make her automatically cool. DS1 is really looking forward to it. DS2 adores my mum and dad so I can't see him being sad about it at all.

All in all, life is good. Very nearly 18m out and life is just fiiiiine. There are days where I can't see the wood for the trees, and days where I have a good wail. But it's all good. It's all processing and growing.

Still not read up Blush - I'm saving that for tonight.

arthriticfingers · 05/03/2014 17:38

Onwards and Upwards indeed :)
However long the road.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 05/03/2014 17:46

Well done you for making the decision to move. I'll bet you're really looking forward to it.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 06/03/2014 10:22

I killed the thread. Hmm

TheShimmeringPussycat · 06/03/2014 10:29

We seem to be in a period of relative quietude - threadwise at least.

Fi you alright?

FairyFi · 06/03/2014 12:06

in hiding today, had a rough week and today was particulary upsetting...

i'll be back Wink

thank you for asking hard to not call you silvery Shimmering

to familiar friendly faces Hmm

FairyFi · 06/03/2014 12:07

no I killed the thread Grin Alice

TisILeclerc · 06/03/2014 12:15

Alice yy to returning to your old name and not allowing FW to consume all your thoughts Smile

Fi I'm not 100% up with what's been going on but hugs to you, lovely.

arthriticfingers · 06/03/2014 12:28

How did the police visit go tis?
What's up Fi?
Hi new and shimmering
Hi Alice

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 06/03/2014 12:49

Fi I'm quite happy for us to be named as "co-killers" of the thread, if you'd like. Grin Hope you're okay. When you're ready to come out of hiding, we'll be here. Take care of yourself.

Tis Today's mission is to "not worry about FW's reaction to things." Easy, for the most part as he's out of town.

I got a very big funny regarding FW, and I can't even share it as it would out me in a millisecond. Grin Trust me when I say karma has a wicked little sense of humour.

arthriticfingers Hi. glad to see people delurking. Smile

FairyFi · 06/03/2014 15:02

its the outside world denying my experience, came face to face with it today at FP - completely side-swiped me and I was wrong footed for the rest of the usually quite challenging anyway time there, so wasn't hanging onto my emotions well atall.;

This week also saw DD completely protect a violent abusive teen and try to cover it up and support a friend in keeping quiet, alongside the knowing that I have to face court again and went into melt-down about it. Completely don't know what to do about it all anymore. like I ever did ha!

Very good to hear all your moving forward plans Tis - good ffor you Wink - Feel for you /DD with the police activities. You have come such a long way, and manage so much. Strength to you.

ta Arth - always lovely to see you here. Hope you are ok?

FairyFi · 06/03/2014 15:03

and Alice invaluable exercise that...

arthriticfingers · 06/03/2014 15:11

I think the denial of our experience is probably the worst part of it and the most difficult to deal with.
shrugs shoulders because does not know what else to do

FairyFi · 06/03/2014 15:37

me either Arth - was deeply upsetting and has made me further mistrust someone that he called wasn't a friend, yet another isolating tactic that has now worked, and i am now looking around at other 'friends' too Sad. This loss of friends and/or their belief in my experience further compounds that he was actually ok and that i am abusive and nasty as he tells everyone.

Need to get back to the bingo I think!

sus14 · 06/03/2014 21:05

Hi all, just posting to update on me in case it helps others who are where i am , iyswim.

my situation is that fw has moved back in, which has had his desired effect of making me wobble a bit, until i remember all his manipulation with my df and the effect it's had on that relationship - and what that could mean for me and dd in the future too.

today i saw a solicitor who had been recommended to me. I saw one last autumn who was quite patronising (i realise in retrospect) and ended up compeletely overcharging me by charging for letters/write ups which i hadn't requested - i managed to challenge it but it had quite taken the rug from under me and was the reason i didn't leave today.

the one today was so much better, didn't talk so much about the abuse but about what i needed from the settlement, all very practical, told me my idea of staying in the house probably wouldn't work as fw doesn't really earn enough to live without the equity from the house, so that was useful, been googling all day and come up with a plan to live nearby for school and not in catchment area of secondary school where her friends will go but at least in catchment area of a good secondary school - figure i'll have 5 years or so to prepare her for going to that particular school.

sol also gave me a leaflet for a counsellor. I've been trying to get free counselling but it's a massive waiting list and so far i havent been that impressed with the counsellors there i have met. the one she suggests does existential psychotherapy which actually sounds it might be good for me, it's all about facing up to the life you have and going forward. no space at present but she is confident something will come up.

sol also suggested i suggest mediation to fw, which would be an easier way to move forward than just presenting him with petition. he is being ok living in house, it is actually a lot easier now as my mental view is that we are separated and i am living like that, if i cook something then he is welcome to it but i don't get it for him when he gets in, i only text him or reply to his texts about dd, nothing else, i never ask him about his day.

have to get through holiday now which is in 3 weeks. I know his passport is expired and i haven't seen a new one arrive (and i get back to pick up the post before him), so hoping it will work out, and when we are past that i will present him with mediation option. we shall see.....

feel that i have made some progress today, and if this counselling can start soon, that should help me with moving forward. I think i need help in moving on and being able to leave my home so that i can be in a good state to help dd with it - she has massive anxieties about leaving the home as fw has always told her mummy wants to divorce daddy and then you'll have to leave your bedroom .FW!! Problem is that i came out of another bad relationship 10 years ago and also lost my lovely home (he moved his ow in the next day!) and i am just so fed up and stressed with moving not through my choice.

Mediation centre also does childrens counselling from her age so i may see about that - she has lots of nightmares which i am wondering are linked to all the night shouting (and day shouting) that has been going on. when we went to my parents for aw eek she slept much better and i wondered if it was because she knew there would be no shouting.

anyone taken their children for counselling? my dd is 5. i think i woudl want them to start when the move is happenign to help her with that and then just with the whole parents separating thing, it would be play therapy.

sorry , long!

sus14 · 06/03/2014 21:08

god sorry had 2 beers and quite wobbly. i mean with respect to holiday that i am hoping there will be no last minute tricks involving him trying to come. I really cannot go on holiday with him and i don't know what i would do should he turn up at the airport. when that's done and hopefully i have chilled out a bit i can move on with actually getting this relationship probably finished.