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OMG I didn't knwo H AT ALL! Found out really shocking things .....

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Toothache · 25/06/2006 21:08

Found out from my Mum about a Provident loan he'd taken out and never paid anything towards. He got into major debt trouble before I met him and I spent most of our 6.5yrs together trying to get him out of it so he could get better credit rating etc etc. This loan was after we got together and it was my Mums friend who was the Provident agent. She told my Mum in confidence that her dd's boyfriend had defaulted on a loan. She confronted H who fell apart saying he'd sort and begged my Mum not to tell me! Which she didn't!

It gets way worse

Then last night my friend was staying over and she's got a bit of tearaway boyfriend who dabbles in coke of a weekend. We were out with them at the beginning of May and H had asked him to get him COKE!

H had a coke problem before I met him.... hence the debts! But that was all well before i met him. Anyway.... I've done a lot of thinking and its been staring me in the face. The mood swings..... going mental if questioned why he had take £30 out the bank when he'd said he was taking out a tenner..... disappearing to work for a couple of hours on his day off...... sometimes being so wired that I used to laugh at how much coffee he'd drank! AM I STUPID??????

So as a matter of interest I got my April bank statement and added up all the cash withdrawals that were not me and in a 20 day period he with drew £620!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I could never understand how I'd got such a cracking payrise and was still skint.

I've been so stupid. He doesn't know I know. But he's coming up on Tuesday for ds's birthday, we were going to meet him at Pizza Hut and just grit our teeth. But I can't look at him now!!!! OMG HOW COULD HE????????????????

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prettybird · 27/06/2006 22:31

Glad to hear it went well. You did the right thing by your kids - by being civil with him, it will have made ds' birthday all the more enjoyable for him.

It may be the your friend did lie or got it worng about the coke - but think about the other evidence. Think abut the change in character. The £620 in 20 days. If it wasn't coke, what was it? Lots of alcohol? .... nearly as bad.

Do mkae sure to continue to protect yourslef financially. Make sure he can't access any of your money - and can't take out any loans in joint names.

He needs to show he can show maturity by getting himself sorted with a flat and then relating to you in a more grown-up way.

Look after yourslef!

Toothache · 27/06/2006 22:34

Gomez - coz he's young (21), stupid....and loves his coke! He could have lied not realising the consequences of what he was saying. Judging by my friends reaction when I told her I'd spoken to H about it... she clearly was a tad nervous about what her bf had said.

My H said all he spoke to friends bf about was how badly he used to be addicted to it and how much he fucked up his life because of it.

So, hence still undecided. I've only met my friends bf once..... on that night.

Miaou - Thanks ... either that or the sympathy for what he's done is running a bit thin now.

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Toothache · 27/06/2006 22:39

PB - financial evidence is really incriminating. I KNOW I KNOW! Just hoping its anything other than coke!

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Blu · 27/06/2006 22:44

Tothache - glad you got through the dy, and that the kids were ok.

tbh, i wouldn't stress about whether the coke allegation is true or not. It probably is, but the main point is, he attacked you very seriously. Everything else is a bit of a red herring, isn't it? whatever he took all that money out for, he had no business to do it - or lie to you about the loan.

was he suposed to be at the house? i thought that broke his bail conditions. i hope he doesn't mention that in court as part of his defence..i.e you are clearly not terrifierd o him on a day-to-day basis?

But maybe I am miles off the mark.

Very sorry to hear that all this crashed down on you - you have always been a brave character.

Toothache · 27/06/2006 22:50

Blu - wise words !!! thanks.

My choice he came into the house. He was too scared to in case I got him arrested again (pathetic!).... but he arrived very early for a lunch meeting and I let him in as he had lots of parcels and I needed a hand getting the kids ready. Coming back afterwards was also my decision as I was not building that feckin ELC Trampline on my own!
I gauged how he was and judged that to be safe. Plus the neighbours that know me, know H's car and know the situation, so I knew if anything happened I just had to go across the road or next door for help... in fact most were out in their gardens today.

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Californifrau · 27/06/2006 22:50

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exrebel · 27/06/2006 23:01

toothache,

I am on MN occasioanlly but your story remind me of mine. I think I can answer your question about using the drugs as a legal argument in court if you get there over contact

With regards to drug detection, there is a test that court can order, on the parent's hair. Apparently as long as hair is not cut, traces of the drug will stay. My solicitor told me this when we were discussing what line to take if ex-h took me to court over access to dd.

If you continue to deny access, it is up to him to do seek access via the courts. There is nothing you can do until then. If he does, then there will be an investigation and as part of this your solicitor can request this test, or the court.

What the solicitor kept saying is that law take the interest of the child first, and in general, the law takes the view that it is in the interest of the child to know the father, no matter how bad he is, (drugs, and worse), and they would suggest supervised centre visit where the fathrer can see the children, if there is no other alternative.

Obvioulsy the father has to be very violent for the court to totally exclude him.

I was really frustrated to learn this because my ex was very bad to have around, he stole from us for his drugs, totally wasted in front of his child, when left alone with dd he made himslef unsconscius with drugs and thats when I totally excluded him. Other issues lead the court to issue an injunction to stop harrassing us.

in the end he did not persue contact with the courts because he so demented with drugs that he does not have the brain and it isn not his priority. but if he did, he would have had a good chance to have some sort of contact, even if he was that bad and I really cannot see how this could be in my dd intersts. probably some lawyer in here can explain the law better than me, I think I got the gist right though.

My heart goes out to you.

exrebel · 27/06/2006 23:06

toothache,sorry I have not read your thread thoughrely. I still hope the info is useful somehow.

meowmix · 28/06/2006 16:14

Toothy - do you think he was angling to get back together? which may also be why MiL is suddenly being human? after all he may think if he can convince you that this is his rock bottom and that he has now changed, the courts may look more leniently at him

can see why you let him in but pls be careful, not just the chance that he could flip again but also how it might look to the courts if presented well by his solicitor

Toothache · 28/06/2006 20:47

Well..... he's turned nasty!

Was in the house today and when I got back there was a 2 page nasty letter saying I'm a sick bitch and to tidy the fucking house up coz its a disgrace and so am I.

I texted him when I read saying that his level of denial was incredible and that I had clocked how many times he went to the toilet while we were out. And that I was trying to be civil and make this as easy as possible, but he was making that difficult.

he's been phoning me and leaving nasty (but too nice) messages on my mobile and house phone all evening. I'm terrified. My friend is coming around in an hour or so and all my doors are locked. He left his key so as long as he hasn't had another one cut he can't get in.

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expatinscotland · 28/06/2006 20:50

call the police, toothy. NOW. log EVERY one of those messages - use a pal's mobile to videotape the texts and answerphone ones.

save the letter.

you're going to need them when it comes time to terminate his parental rights b/c he's a drug addled violent soon to be convicted criminal.

too bad i'm not a procurator fiscal. i wouldn't hesitate to throw this guy into BarL for a while . . .

expatinscotland · 28/06/2006 20:50

did he violate the terms of the injunction order and therefore his bail if he came that close to you?

LIZS · 28/06/2006 20:50

toothy. He sounds unbalanced not surpirsed you are scared. Is he due back in court tomorrow ? Think you may now have to be very careful about making him keep the bail conditions and restricted access.

expatinscotland · 28/06/2006 20:51

he belongs in jail.

Toothache · 28/06/2006 20:53

Expat - He's breaching bail by even texting me!!!
He's up in court at 10am tomorrow.... and he's been drinking. Thankfully I know he's 20 miles away at his pals house coz he's using their house phone. Ironically..... he's about 200 yards from my Mum and Dads house!

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expatinscotland · 28/06/2006 20:54

call the cops, toothy! think of how you do NOT want this chap NEAR your kids - you need as much ammo as you can get, hon.

besides, can you imagine how nasty he'll get when he's had even more to drink?

Toothache · 28/06/2006 20:59

I'm too scared to.

He has very nasty friends that would draw the line at me having him locked up. If I phone the police they will just arrest him..... plus he's at his friends house.... his gf will be wanting nothing to do with this and they have 2 young kids. Really don't want them turning up at the house to arrest H.

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JellyNump · 28/06/2006 20:59

Toothache I don't think it matters which company you go to for your credit file, they all show everything, its just different companies with the same info on you.

Toothache · 28/06/2006 21:00

Plus her Mum has just died very suddenly at the age of 54.... so she really doesn't need all this.

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JellyNump · 28/06/2006 21:01

Phone the police, if they know you're scared they don't have to say it was you that called them, they can probably request details from the phone companies too, to see incoming and outgoing text messages, pin point where he is etc.

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Toothache · 28/06/2006 21:05

Thanks.

Thankfully its not a hearing.... and I'm not going! Noone is, he's on his tod. Its just for sentencing, but is going to be adjourned as due to a delay in paperwork they couldn't complete his 'assessment'.

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harrisey · 28/06/2006 21:08

(((toothy)))
I have nothing to help you but just wanted to let you know I am thinking of you. It must be awful, I have no idea really. please keep yourself safe (leave tghe key in the lock!!) and check in so we know you are ok.
If you think he is going to turn up can you call the police as it is breaking his bail conditions?
((hugs))

Toothache · 28/06/2006 21:17

I've spoken to my neighbours and told them about the letter... so they are going to keep an out for his car. And he's a BIG neighbour!!

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Marina · 28/06/2006 21:18

We can do his assessment for him.
Bastard