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Dh keeps doing something I don't like in bed

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Moochicken · 02/09/2013 22:10

Without wanting to go into too much detail, dh keeps doing something during sex which I don't like. I ask him not to and after a few minutes he does it anyway.

It doesn't happen every time but he did it again last night. He apologized after and said he won't do it again (he says this everytime) and now he can't understand why I'm still pissed off.

How seriously would you take this? If I said no and stopped sex he would listen and would never force me to do something but I still feel uncomfortable that he basically ignores my wishes.

OP posts:
MurderOfGoths · 04/09/2013 22:49

No problem, there's been too many users who've been through the same thing :(

AnyFucker · 04/09/2013 22:50

Indeed.

LovesBeingOnHoliday · 04/09/2013 22:58

Op if you are still reading would you please do tge counseling by yourself for a while.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 05/09/2013 00:14

Moo, just leaving aside the issue of the definition of sexual assault for just one minute.....I'm not sure if you mean that he is constantly attempting to penetrate you with his finger and you are finding it bloody irritating to constantly tell him to get his hand off there, or whether he tries to do it and you let him do it but you are not happy with him doing it and feel turned off and annoyed. But just think about both of these situations and how it makes you feel during sex:

In the first scenario you might well be tensing up as his hand heads down that way. It starts to play on your mind: oh god, he is going to try that one again." You get prepared to push him away or tell him verbally not to do it and then the time comes where you have to stop him and he might well tut or huff and then carries on to PIV sex. Yes, he might not technically be penetrating you in this scenario but my god, how disrespectful and annoying ad distasteful is it that you have to go through the possibility of this scenario every single bloody time you start to have sex? It must surely at the very least put you off the rest of your sex session and then are you just going along with the rest of it to satisfy him? If this is what is happening in your case, OP, then you have to realise that it is not normal to feel tense and apprehensive every time you start to have sex with your partner. It is NOT normal to have to repeat each time that he must stop what he is doing. Just how do you see your sex life continuing in this vein for much longer before you are either a) put off having sex with him in any way, shape or form or b) you decide to give up protesting at it and just "lie back and think of England" which is basically what scenario 2 is.

In scenario 2, you might be having sex, his had wanders down there, you tell him you don't want his finger up there (having told him many times before) and yet - he does it anyway. You can't possibly be enjoying it at this point, OP, so what exactly are you getting out of it? Are you just wanting to get it over with so that he will leave you alone for the rest of the night? Is that how you believe happy sex lives between couples should go? Really?

So just completely leaving out the whole "definition of sexual assault", OP, as it might be too distressing a concept to deal with right now, if I were you I would have a bloody good think about what is actually happening here and whether you think it is an acceptable way for a loving man to behave towards his partner. If what is happening is similar to either of the 2 scenarios described above then I would have a SERIOUS, long hard think about what you are going to do about it. Because neither of them are normal. You might kid yourself that Scenario 1 is somehow acceptable to you for the moment. But can you see that it couldn't stay that way? Your feelings, or his actions are only going to get stronger. A scary thought. And then scenario 1 becomes scenario 2 before you have even realised it is happening.

If you're already at scenario 2 then I really think you need to get yourself some professional counselling to help you deal with it.

Best of luck.

SolidGoldBrass · 05/09/2013 00:44

It is a shocking, horrible moment when someone tells you that your partner is not just being a bit awkward, that it's not something you can 'fix' by doing more housework, smiling more and never disagreeing with him, but that your partner is an abusive rapist. Even though it's true, it's going to send you reeling, it's going to be terrifying - how will you survive, economically, if you get rid of him? How will the children react to Daddy moving out? We already live in a culture with a deep-rooted belief (because it was the truth within living memory) that women and children belong to men, that The Man Of The House is lord, master, deity, protector and provider and it's not possible to live without one.

OP, I wish you well if you are still reading. There will be support when you feel you are ready to move on - or when this man's mistreatment of you gets bad enough to be unbearable. There will always be support and help, even if you leave him and return, even if you have felt obliged to forgive him because of religious/cultural pressures to submit to being his property, or because you have family members who are bullies and woman-haters. No matter what, there is help and support. Forgive him and keep on loving him ten, twenty, 100 times even as his abuse escalates, and when the day comes and he's locked you in a room and taken your phone and your money and your clothes, and there's nothing left but to smash the window and scream for help help will come.

turbochildren · 05/09/2013 09:10

Curly has hit the nail on the head here, along with many other posters ofcourse. But the fact that sex becomes so tense and unpleasant, and eventually a "chore" to say the least, is awful in itself. The true horror is when it's come to the point where you are crying and begging him to stop and he "can't hear you". Because he doesn't give a shit about what you think and feel anyway.
After that I agree (again) with those who stress the importance of naming what's happened.
Solid describes it well too. I hope OP is still reading.
I want to add again, that the abuser can change around, but it requires accept and understanding of where he (in this case) went totally wrong. That is sadly very rare it seems.
What it DOES NOT require is the woman to "try harder" to please him. He's being abusive and totally in the wrong, and need to have a good look at himself, his values and his actions.

GettingStrong · 05/09/2013 12:03

OP, if you are still reading, following on from Curly's post, if you are at scenario 2 already then I agree so much that you really should go for individual counselling. It is possible to get stuck at scenario 2 for ages, and tell yourself it's ok. It might not seem that bad, maybe he is only sticking his finger up there once a week or fortnight or whatever, and everything else seems so 'normal' that you can tell yourself you can just live with it. Maybe you come up with some reason you can use to justify to yourself why it is ok for him to do this despite the fact you are telling him no (though of course it isn't). Maybe you come up with some reason why he cannot contain himself in the heat of the moment (he can). After this sort of abuse happens, normal life resumes and maybe it does not even seem like it happened in quite the way it did. Perhaps it all seems a bit surreal.

This really is the start of a very slippery slope. It is possible to end up with a totally twisted idea of the reality of your relationship. Maybe you even end up stopping saying no because your no has been ignored so frequently and so it becomes easier to pretend to yourself that actually you are ok with what is going on. So if you are at scenario 2, please don't live with it for too long, as Curly said counselling would be really useful for you.

PrincessFlirtyPants · 05/09/2013 13:10

Some of the posts on here are shocking

How some cannot see this as abuse is beyond comprehension.

If my DH and I try something in bed and I don't like it, he would not try that again. Why? Because he loves and respects me. Because he wants me to enjoy sex too. Because he's not an abuser and has resect for women. Because the thought of making me do something I was not entirely comfortable with would make him feel physically sick.

If your 'D'H tries repeatedly to get you to do something you aren't comfortable with, ask yourself, does this man care about my enjoyment? Does this man care about my happiness? Does this man care about me?

valiumredhead · 05/09/2013 13:21

Good post princess.

donkeyontheedge1 · 06/09/2013 10:36

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HitTheNorth · 06/09/2013 10:41

SHE DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT! AND HAS TOLD HIM SO REPEATEDLY. IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER "ANAL PLAY" IS TABOO OR NOT!

LurcioLovesFrankie · 06/09/2013 10:46

Donkey - RTFT, otherwise you risk coming across (at best) as an insensitive numpty. She is being subjected to what is (quite unambiguously according to English law) sexual assault carrying a sentence of 2 years to life if he were to be found guilty.

Ledkr · 06/09/2013 10:53

Not much chance of "the craziest orgasm ever" if you have repeatedly asked him not to do it though, IS THERE?

valiumredhead · 06/09/2013 10:57

Donkey-read the thread properly.

internationallove985 · 06/09/2013 11:48

Hi Moo. sexual prefrences are very much a personal choice and if you don't like something he is doing then it's your body and your absolute right to speak up.

we only do the missoinary position, It works for us. I've never tried doggy style. (I'm not a dog so I don't shag like one) So in regards to missionary it would be nye on impossible for him to put his finger in my anal entrance even if I so desired in which I would not. I'm proud to say I've never been penetrated with either a penis or finger anally and I have no intentions of either. xx

OxfordBags · 06/09/2013 11:51

Nothing gives me crazy orgasms like repeated sexual assault Hmm

curlew · 06/09/2013 12:55

God, I hope you haven't rad the thread, Donkey. Because if you have, that was a hideous, awful, insensitive post.

Lweji · 06/09/2013 13:00

Assuming you are right, donkey, about how wonderful it is.

If that's OP's H was simply trying to convince her that it is enjoyable, then he should present it as something to try, discuss the wonderful possibilities, and suggest the same as you in a context of full freedom to withdraw from it, and to lead her her to enjoy it as much as possible.

As it is described, he's a sexual abuser. And only does it for his own gratification, which is of power, not sex.

valiumredhead · 06/09/2013 13:01

It's neither here nor there what other posters do/like in bed. The OP had told her Dh she wants him to stop and he keeps doing it.

Vivacia · 06/09/2013 13:08

I've never tried doggy style. (I'm not a dog so I don't shag like one)

You're a missionary then?

AnyFucker · 06/09/2013 13:09

No, she's a cowgirl

Arf

AnyFucker · 06/09/2013 13:10

Sorry Smile

Hey, donkey, what the Fuck is wrong with you ?

ModeratelyObvious · 06/09/2013 13:27

I think donkey has her own motives for posting.

She must have read at least some of the thread as OP didn't put the info referred to in the OP.

donkeyontheedge1 · 06/09/2013 13:31

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Johnny5needsinput · 06/09/2013 13:34

Ut donkey, the op tried it, and didn't like it.

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