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Chances of reconciliation with an ex you're 'friends' with?

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cherrysparkles · 21/08/2013 10:58

Hello, I've just signed up to post this thread, I hope that's ok :)

I read about 'friendzoning' on another forum and apparently, it's bad when it comes to being friend zoned by an ex.

I recently split up with a man I had been seeing for 6 months. We were seeing each other quite casually - as in, we hadn't been seen together in public around our town, as I'm still in the process of going through a divorce (split up a long time ago) and didn't want that reflecting badly on me...despite all that, this man said he loved me fairly early on (within a month) and seemed to be planning for the future; talking about future events he will be attending and mentioning it would be nice for us to go together, and so on.

He spent a while after we split up saying that he doesn't want a relationship with anyone for as far into the future as he can see, but that he liked me a lot, we did continue to sleep together but then both felt awful the next day, and then he told me he was going away for a couple of weeks with work, and needed complete space; I.E no contact for the time he was away. He said he was hoping to see if he missed me, and to work out what he felt for me; whether he wanted to never see me again, just be friends or something more than friends.

I spoke to him yesterday on the phone, and he said he was hoping to see me next week when he was back home, just meeting up for a coffee and a chat then going home to see if we can actually get on (we've been arguing a lot recently, due to his 'confusion'). I asked about how he felt and first of all he said I'm lovely but not for him, then he said he could never say never and that two people could never have a relationship if they can't be friends. He wouldn't say if his actual feelings had changed, just saying that he had made a decision that if he can't have a relationship with anyone at this moment in time, then he can't have his cake and eat it by sleeping with me - which seems fair enough to me.

He seems to want to meet up next week, chat and get on and then just text and stuff as people do, with a view to meeting up "some time in the future...in a week, or two or three, whenever feels right".

He says that he will still be attracted to me, but won't ever act on it. I asked what would happen if he comes to see me and still feels the way he did the last time he came over (which was beginning of August) - the same feelings that were confusing him at that time, and he said he would just try to enjoy the feeling of enjoying my company.

Is this a bit weird? Putting aside the issue of whether the dumped party should be friends with an ex when they still have feelings for them, would it be so bad in theory to meet up with this person fairly regularly but not planned regularly, just chat about casual things and then we both go home having had a pleasant time...is there potential for feelings to develop on his part (if they were ever going to, I know there is only a slim chance anyway) or will he 'friend zone' me and therefore never see me in 'that' way again?

I admit, I'm confused as to how feelings come about anyway - my ex said that he realises now that he has to be friends with a woman before getting involved with dating or a relationship, but can you ever be friends with an ex (genuine friends, with no physical contact) and then rekindle a relationship?

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SisterMonicaJoan · 06/09/2013 13:15

Look, lets not pretend that this isn't Janny man anymore.

This has been going on for months and your children are in the middle of all this, seeing this, hearing this then having to see this man at their school. You are fucking up your children.

You are obsessing over this man, analysising every single comment, look, action. Stop clinging onto the stuff which leads you to think he cares or could care about you. HE DOES NOT WANT TO BE WITH YOU. If he did, he would be - it wouldn't be complicated.

You cannot be friends with this man. Neither of you are capable of being able to pop for coffee and chit-chat so lets not pretend that you can have this sort of relationship. Although you say you want this, you then follow with "maybe in 6 months we can try again".

He is not a good man, I think he is being abusive actually, don't you want more for yourself? Don't you wasnt someone who doesn't make you second guess what they are thinking, you is honest about what they want? I think the only way for you to get this type of relationship is to admit that you need help. You previously said you were going to your GP, did you do this? What happened?

Seriously OP, please stop this. You obviously have a lot of issues (you did explain where this stemmed from on a previous post but I won't mention it here) but this man is not healthy for you and won't be the one to help you fix yourself.

I am genuinely worried for you OP (especially for your children too).

Walkacrossthesand · 06/09/2013 13:21

LEAVE.HIM.ALONE.

That is all.

TheSecondComing · 06/09/2013 13:26

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cherrysparkles · 06/09/2013 13:34

My CHILD is fine thank you. He has cerebral palsy and is my uppermost priority so I'd thank you not to cast doubt on the quality of my child's care!

When I went to this man's house, my child was at respite. Before anyone jumps on me for that. My child has never met this man so I'm not sure what you are referring to?

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SisterMonicaJoan · 06/09/2013 13:36

I'm pretty sure it is TSC with just a few details changed (only has one child, they are similar ages...). Everything else is just too similar imo

Floggingmolly · 06/09/2013 13:37

It's Janitor woman???? Dear God, op, you need serious therapy Sad

cherrysparkles · 06/09/2013 13:39

I was actually just hoping and trying to see the good in him, when he had been badly hurt and cheated on within our village by his ex wife, he's had a serious of short relationships since then and this was all publicly scrutinised as that's what it's like here. So it made sense that he was being cautious.

Ok so I get it, the confusion is more than likely actually as someone up thread said; and he doesn't know what to say to get rid of me, but if that's the case why doesn't he just stop replying?

I just thought it was maybe not feeling ready to be in a relationship, coupled with doubts over whether we could work, as there is a lot going against us...plus this crappy stuff I've been putting him through.

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cherrysparkles · 06/09/2013 13:39

SMJ who are similar ages?

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SisterMonicaJoan · 06/09/2013 13:40

I didn't mean to sound like I was casting doubt on the quality of your day-to-day care of your child OP.

Just that your child will pick up on your being distressed or upset even if they are not around when this man is there.

AintNobodyGotTimeFurThat · 06/09/2013 13:40

Do you want to be with someone who could chop and change whether they want to be with your or not at his own whim?

Even if he is being genuine, what's to say his opinion couldn't change again in 6 months time. It's not fair on you emotionally to go through this, surely?

Walkacrossthesand · 06/09/2013 13:42

I agree, the whole 'gestalt' is the same as the 'other thread' - the endless going over and over interactions, asking us what we think, coming back with 'yes, but...' when advised to let it drop, etc etc. Good luck cherry - I don't think you'll find what you're looking for on MN, but it's not for want of a lot of very patient posters trying.

SisterMonicaJoan · 06/09/2013 13:44

SMJ who are similar ages

Early in your op you mention you and this man are similar ages...

You an say he can just stop replying to you if he isn't interested but you have said that you are the first to make contact if you haven't heard from him.

cherrysparkles · 06/09/2013 13:45

Day to day I'm not distressed. Contrary to how I may be appearing on this thread SMJ, it doesn't cross my mind in a huge way.

It's difficult to explain; yes it's confusing when he appeared genuinely distressed and said he was confused about his feelings/fucked/needed to be on his own for a while etc., and then when he brought up me sleeping with another ex and seemed jealous or bothered and then said he wasn't; it is all very 'teenage' I admit that. I'm not usually like this, but have been totally taken in by this man, as he seemed so genuine and as I said, says so many different things and seems to veer from one extreme to the other.

I just didn't want to believe he was saying it all to mess with my mind or get rid of me that's all.

AintNobody; yes it could. Which is why I gave 6 months as a rough timeline for when I was going to start seeing if he was interested in going for a drink or something. In the meantime I was going to back right off and just send a text occasionally checking in.

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ladyjadie · 06/09/2013 13:47

He is a total headfuck.

You sound ripe for your head to be fucked, sorry. You know you have issues. You've mentioned why, and that you are tentatively going about doing something about it.

Make this another thing you are doing something about. Take this into your own hands, tell yourself that you are not going to have anything more to do with this man. You clearly have control issues, so why not help yourself and make this something you can control?

I understand it's hard when it's so obvious he has some sort of hold on you, but seriously, can you not see it's doing you no good? And I do get you wanting to at least have left it on your terms, looking like you're not a psycho in his eyes, but sometimes you just have to draw a line under it, Ok, that guy will never see me in a normal light, move on, let's try to not let this happen with the next guy (and there will be a next guy for you, there are billions of them). Learn from it.

LET GO OF HIM

Fuck waiting until he lets go of you.

AintNobodyGotTimeFurThat · 06/09/2013 13:49

But the problem is, what if 6 months down the line after that he changes his mind again? He may not, by the way - I think people are too quick to rush to this judgment but this could happen and then you would be left hurt again.

What on earth is this Janny thread all about? Linkage please?

cherrysparkles · 06/09/2013 13:52

SMJ - but imo he didn't have to agree to come over last night, for example. After I went to his place last week and it ended on an unfinished sort of note, he was no doubt expecting me to go over there or contact him on the thursday when he was off work, but I didn't do either - not that I expect praise for that but ykwim.
I've sent him three messages on facebook since last night and he has replied to all three - why not block me if he's so bothered and is too chicken to just not reply?

He would have ways of getting rid of me if he really wanted to; yes he wants to be nice I suppose, but if he keeps saying one thing and then something polar opposite and he feels I'm not taking the hint, why not stick to just saying "leave me alone" rather than all the rest of the stuff?

If I'm so stupid then he should spell it out.

And can someone please answer this one thing - last week when I went to his place, why did he say "I know I'm shooting myself in the foot here but I think I might still be in love with you" and then similar a few minutes later? If he KNEW it was shooting himself in the foot then why carry on to say it!?

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cherrysparkles · 06/09/2013 13:54

AintNobody - what did you mean by this?

"I think people are too quick to rush to this judgement"

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AuntieStella · 06/09/2013 13:58

AintNobodyGotTimeFurThat - have sent you a pm with link to 'janny man' thread.

cherrysparkles · 06/09/2013 14:01

And as to your question,the idea was that over the next 6 months I start being the person that I used to be, before all this weirdness happened. A bit more laid back, just checking in every so often and the occasional phonecall as he originally said he wanted, after maybe 6 months see how the land lies, how he's feeling about getting into a relationship (because he says he's 'emotionally fucked') and if he seems receptive, see how he is towards me and maybe ask to meet up and then take things bit by bit from there, never rushing things which is what we did before.

Even if it didn't turn into anything, he'd have at least seen me 'as myself' rather than the person I've been recently. So I'll feel satisfied that at least I had that chance. and hopefully we would remain friends out of it.

That was the idea anyway, and it was kind of what he has hinted at, even last tuesday.

He said the texting is fine, it's only on the odd occasion where I've messaged him and not been sure where we stand with regards to whether he's ignoring me or not so I text him again an hour or so later, and he got annoyed as he'd just been busy and not ignoring me. That's the part that "does his head in" (his words).

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HotDogHotDogHotDiggityDog · 06/09/2013 15:25

I think I remember the 'Janny' thread.

OP, is this the second man you've obsessed over/stalked in your children's school?

The other being a teacher who would run from you and made complaints to the head teacher about you?

If it is, then I can sort of understand now why this guy hasn't ignored/reported you for harassment yet.

Could he lose his job if they were to find out he's been shagging the pupils mother?

He's trying to get out of this unscathed. He'd tried to get rid of you but you're just not getting it.

AnneOfGreenGarbles · 06/09/2013 15:36

Can someone please link me to this janny thread? I am v confused!

SolidGoldBrass · 06/09/2013 15:38

Me too please!

HotDogHotDogHotDiggityDog · 06/09/2013 15:42

Can't link because im on my phone but I just advance searched 'janitor' and there are a few threads in the relationships section, but I think i'm right in guessing these are just the tip of the ice berg!

HotDogHotDogHotDiggityDog · 06/09/2013 15:49

You know, if it is you OP, I can definitely answer you 'why is he saying/doing this' questions.

As I said above, if he could face losing his job over this, he's trying anything he can do to get you to leave him alone.

He's tried telling you to leave him alone,. That hasn't worked. You're still contacting him or turning up at his house.

He's tried telling you he had/has feelings for you but is confused so wants space (hoping you would listen and then move on anyway)

He's head fucking you into making the decision yourself.

He's scared of being found out (and having the piss ripped out of him by his work colleagues)

AuntieStella · 06/09/2013 17:25

AOGG and SGB: PMs sent