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Chances of reconciliation with an ex you're 'friends' with?

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cherrysparkles · 21/08/2013 10:58

Hello, I've just signed up to post this thread, I hope that's ok :)

I read about 'friendzoning' on another forum and apparently, it's bad when it comes to being friend zoned by an ex.

I recently split up with a man I had been seeing for 6 months. We were seeing each other quite casually - as in, we hadn't been seen together in public around our town, as I'm still in the process of going through a divorce (split up a long time ago) and didn't want that reflecting badly on me...despite all that, this man said he loved me fairly early on (within a month) and seemed to be planning for the future; talking about future events he will be attending and mentioning it would be nice for us to go together, and so on.

He spent a while after we split up saying that he doesn't want a relationship with anyone for as far into the future as he can see, but that he liked me a lot, we did continue to sleep together but then both felt awful the next day, and then he told me he was going away for a couple of weeks with work, and needed complete space; I.E no contact for the time he was away. He said he was hoping to see if he missed me, and to work out what he felt for me; whether he wanted to never see me again, just be friends or something more than friends.

I spoke to him yesterday on the phone, and he said he was hoping to see me next week when he was back home, just meeting up for a coffee and a chat then going home to see if we can actually get on (we've been arguing a lot recently, due to his 'confusion'). I asked about how he felt and first of all he said I'm lovely but not for him, then he said he could never say never and that two people could never have a relationship if they can't be friends. He wouldn't say if his actual feelings had changed, just saying that he had made a decision that if he can't have a relationship with anyone at this moment in time, then he can't have his cake and eat it by sleeping with me - which seems fair enough to me.

He seems to want to meet up next week, chat and get on and then just text and stuff as people do, with a view to meeting up "some time in the future...in a week, or two or three, whenever feels right".

He says that he will still be attracted to me, but won't ever act on it. I asked what would happen if he comes to see me and still feels the way he did the last time he came over (which was beginning of August) - the same feelings that were confusing him at that time, and he said he would just try to enjoy the feeling of enjoying my company.

Is this a bit weird? Putting aside the issue of whether the dumped party should be friends with an ex when they still have feelings for them, would it be so bad in theory to meet up with this person fairly regularly but not planned regularly, just chat about casual things and then we both go home having had a pleasant time...is there potential for feelings to develop on his part (if they were ever going to, I know there is only a slim chance anyway) or will he 'friend zone' me and therefore never see me in 'that' way again?

I admit, I'm confused as to how feelings come about anyway - my ex said that he realises now that he has to be friends with a woman before getting involved with dating or a relationship, but can you ever be friends with an ex (genuine friends, with no physical contact) and then rekindle a relationship?

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Loopytiles · 04/09/2013 17:24

Do you enjoy all this angst?!

Why do this? There are plenty of nice, straightforward blokes out there.

Loopytiles · 04/09/2013 17:29

I'm very sorry for that comment, and hadn't properly reax thread.

But this man is not someone who is good for you, keep away!

EhricLovesTeamQhuay · 04/09/2013 17:56

Who gives a flying fuck why he said what he said? Nobody on this thread because we've all spelled it out to you completely clearly.
He's a headfuck
You're a headfuck
You need some therapy and boundaries
End of

HerdyHerdwick · 04/09/2013 18:30

"So I'm not looking for a critique of my behaviour - I'm asking why he said the things he did the other day and yesterday!"

But you need to look at your own behaviour and stop trying to analyse his. Because you're not good together. This is way too much drama and neediness.

cherrysparkles · 06/09/2013 10:41

Right, well he came over last night and it went wrong again.

In the space of an hour, he said:

"I'm not particularly turned on by you any more, but I could be if I let myself...when I first saw you this evening I thought wow, as you looked amazing - but I'm not going to act on it."

"I don't want to be in this social situation...with anyone. I don't want a relationship, I just can't be bothered - when I was on my way back from my trip last week (which was the same day I'd gone to see him at his house), this woman was walking along the towpath and offered to help while I went through the lock (he was on a canal boat).
We were chatting, she was the right age, blonde, slim, everything I would look for in a woman, said she'd just moved onto a boat on her own and I said I was moored up at (where he lives), she told me she was just going for a coffee in town but I left it at that. I just wasn't interested in getting her number or anything." I can't be bothered!

"I like you. I'm attracted to you. I care about you. I have very mixed feelings about you. But I don't want a relationship, I need to be on my own and sort myself out".

He brought up his ex wife too, how he wasn't sure he was totally over her (despite relationships since then) and I said he'd told me she'd cheated on him. He said "she did - but you did too! You told me the other week you'd slept with your ex. Why would you do that and why tell me about it?!"
I told him we weren't together at the time as this was only 2 weeks ago and he said "but why did you tell me? Were you trying to make me jealous, control me? You keep saying you love and want me but then you slept with your ex. You're the only woman I've been with in a year and that means something to me. What if I'd come round and told you I loved you, then left yours and went straight to my ex's for a coffee and we ended up having sex, then I came back and told you about it; how would you feel?"
i said I'd be heartbroken tbh and he muttered "yeah well you never say that do you?". I then asked if he'd been bothered when I told him, and he said "No! You went and moved on and slept with your ex, good...go for it. Leave me alone!".

He started pacing round the room again then looking really distressed, and it scared me. He was running his hands through his hair over and over again in a kind of obsessive way, pacing around and then walked out, I followed behind to shut the gate after him and asked him to stop and let me say one last thing, he did and then suddenly grabbed me and pulled me into a bear hug type thing, pressing his crotch against me :/ Then he let go, went "argh" and started kicking the wall about 4 repeatedly! It was really scary!
I asked why he'd pulled me towards him like that and he said "because affection, sex...it's what I crave" or something along those lines (can't remember exact words) and then walked off.

I did message him last night apologising and asking why we can't just start from scratch as friends and see how things go, he said "no because I DON'T WANT TO BE WITH ANYONE". You said yourself I need to heal so please, please, please allow me that time to heal and leave me alone".

So - I get it. He needs space.

BUT what I don't get - and need an answer or a guess to - is why he reacted the way he did last night.
What was with the pacing, wall kicking, random crotch pressing and stuff, was it all just the fight of flight adrenaline thing or more that he's confused about his feelings still (he did say he was confused about everything, stressed at work etc) and WHY did he say last Tuesday morning he had no feelings at all for me, in the afternoon when I went to see him say that he thought he might still be in love with me, this Tuesday lunchtime he said he was confused and didn't know what he wanted and then last night...well all that?

I know what you all think but just want a guess solely about why he's acting that way/saying such conflicting and confusing things?

Either way, he's getting his 'space' and I need it for myself anyway.
But can someone hazard a guess?

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HotDogHotDogHotDiggityDog · 06/09/2013 11:02

Fucking hell I've never, in all the time i've been on MN, read such a crazy thread!

Seriously OP, you need some help.

Despite red flags all over this guy, it seems as though you are trying to push him into doing something abusive to you.

Do you want him to get aggressive with you? Would it make you feel loved by him?

You are confusing passion with something else entirely, and it's fucking frightening the way you think.

You keep manipulating him into coming to talk to you, when you should be running in the opposite direction.

HotDogHotDogHotDiggityDog · 06/09/2013 11:11

What would you do if he said 'ok I love you and want a committed relationship with you?

That's what you want isn't it? Otherwise you wouldn't keep harassing him or getting him to talk to you. You don't want just a friendship, that much is obvious. You are deluded if you really think you can start from scratch and be friends with him after all this.

cherrysparkles · 06/09/2013 11:22

No I'm not saying it's passion - all the pacing and hair rubbing is scary, as he 'paces' towards me then turns away at the last minute.

If he said he wanted to be with at this moment in time, I wouldn't do it.

I was genuinely thinking more towards a rough time scale of 6 months before we started 'dating' - if any feelings developed that way. I just wanted to text sometimes and meet up once in a while for an hour or two for a coffee and a chat - as he suggested we do last week - and then if it was to develop into more it could over time. No pressure.

I think the reason I keep pushing it is to get one piece of positivity 'in person' and give him something to miss, in a way. We never got to know each other well enough, he never saw every part of my personality so all he's really seen is the part that he calls "intense and amazing", and this crappy side. Two extremes.

I wanted him to be able to see the 'stable' side of me (I do have one!) so just thought if we could have one positive, chatty and friendly encounter then I would feel much better about backing off and keeping things light and infrequent.

I know it sounds mad, and I realise that pressuring and harassing someone into a positive encounter will never work. But he won't miss what he's never had.

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HotDogHotDogHotDiggityDog · 06/09/2013 11:34

I was genuinely thinking more towards a rough time scale of 6 months before we started 'dating' - if any feelings developed that way. I just wanted to text sometimes and meet up once in a while for an hour or two for a coffee and a chat - as he suggested we do last week - and then if it was to develop into more it could over time. No pressure

No pressure? You have got to be kidding me!
You're doing everything but kicking his door in to see/speak/tell you how he feels about you.

I think the reason I keep pushing it is to get one piece of positivity 'in person' and give him something to miss, in a way. We never got to know each other well enough, he never saw every part of my personality so all he's really seen is the part that he calls "intense and amazing", and this crappy side. Two extremes

You sound like a stalker. I think he, as well as us, have seen enough of your personality to know you have an unhealthy way of thinking.

I wanted him to be able to see the 'stable' side of me (I do have one!) so just thought if we could have one positive, chatty and friendly encounter then I would feel much better about backing off and keeping things light and infrequent

Then be stable and back the fuck off! There is nothing, I repeat NOTHING, positive, chatty or friendly about your recent encounters. There is nothing light about the situation you and he has created.

I know it sounds mad, and I realise that pressuring and harassing someone into a positive encounter will never work. But he won't miss what he's never had.

No love, he won't miss you. He will be relieved you've left him alone.

givemestrengthorlove · 06/09/2013 11:35

He is shouting from the rooftops he does not want to have a relationship of any sort with you . Not lovers not friends not fwb not acquaintances.

But because you are haranguing him and obsessed with him and he is unhappy he is conflicted when you keep approaching him and following him round...every time he says no you keep on at him until he is getting distressed. You are bullying him

I feel sorry for him....you are driving him crazy and sound crazy yourself!

LEAVE HIM ALONE AND BUILD UP YOUR SELF RELIANCE AND OWN HAPPINESS

SolidGoldBrass · 06/09/2013 11:43

Your behaviour towards this man is becoming more and more abusive. The reason he is behaving 'strangely' is because you are driving him mad. You pester him with texts and phone calls, you turn up at his house uninvited and refuse to leave, you follow him from room to room despite him begging you to leave him alone... OK, he's not the most stable or sensible person, because a mentally healthy person would already have reported you to the police for harassment and refused any further contact from you (ie ignored texts, emails and phone calls and refused to let you in when you turned up at the house) but I think he's scared and trying to work out ways of appeasing you and making you back off; he's probably reluctant to go public about the fact that this crazy cunt is stalking and abusing him because he thinks people will laugh at him.

HotDogHotDogHotDiggityDog · 06/09/2013 11:47

I'm sorry but SGB - That last line of your post just made me choke on my sandwich Grin

givemestrengthorlove · 06/09/2013 11:47

It's too late for anything now... No positive encounters can undo the way you've behaved. And the reason you've behaved like this is because ou know he isn't interested but want to force him into it.
Give it up there's no hope to put things on a relaxed footing ever again.

cherrysparkles · 06/09/2013 11:51

Ok fine - but this bit: "you turn up at his house uninvited and refuse to leave" isn't true!

I turned up at his house uninvited, yes. But why the fuck if I followed him into his bedroom, would he have grabbed my waist and pulled me on top of him, then laughed when I said I was sorry for all this crap and said "no you're not, you love to mess with my head" and smiled then kissed me?
Didn't seem as though he was bothered or upset about me being there!

I also said after he pulled me down onto him, that I had to go soon to an appointment. I lifted my head up off his shoulder as I said it, and he said "no, you're staying here" and pushed my head firmly back down again then stayed like that for a while longer.
Anytime I sat up he pulled me back down and tried to kiss me a few times - how are those the reactions of a scared man that doesn't want me there?

After I called my taxi to get home he walked me out and kissed me twice then too - we were walking up to wait for the taxi and those 2 time she went "oh girl what are you like" and kissed me!

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HotDogHotDogHotDiggityDog · 06/09/2013 11:56

Ok OP.

You are hell bent on following this through, despite some bloody good advice IMO.

Go ahead. Keep seeing/stalking him.

Just don't be surprised when he gets a restraining order on you.

Foolish woman!

Good luck!

givemestrengthorlove · 06/09/2013 11:56

Look this is crazy
He didn't invite you
Tell him, you know I am in love with you I am not contacting you again or calling you again.

Forever

cherrysparkles · 06/09/2013 11:59

Can someone answer my last question then?

I didn't say he invited me, I said once I was there he was relaxed, joking and messing around - he even ruffled my hair up at one point when I said jokingly that all this pulling me round the bed was meaning I'd look a state going home, kissing me and saying he thought he might still love me! This was LAST TUESDAY!

So why did he do all that if he was scared/wanting me to leave? Why'd he keep pulling me down onto him (and I mean repeatedly, everytime I tried to get up!)

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givemestrengthorlove · 06/09/2013 12:05

It doesn't matter..people kiss people in the moment and say things but he is telling you loud and clear he isn't into you.

EhricLovesTeamQhuay · 06/09/2013 12:09

Because he's a head fuck

End of story

cherrysparkles · 06/09/2013 12:10

But he also told me he's got mixed feelings about me and is confused - how do you know he's not feeling something but scared of getting into a relationship (he's a bit of a committment-phobe it seems anyway) or having to face people?

And there are reasons that the latter could apply...

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HotDogHotDogHotDiggityDog · 06/09/2013 12:10

I said I was leaving this thread but...

OP, are you fucking with us?

Is this a wind up or are you genuinely this nuts?

EhricLovesTeamQhuay · 06/09/2013 12:11

You're a dickhead
He's a dickhead
Hth

EhricLovesTeamQhuay · 06/09/2013 12:12

because I DON'T WANT TO BE WITH ANYONE". You said yourself I need to heal so please, please, please allow me that time to heal and leave me alone

His words

You loon

Floggingmolly · 06/09/2013 12:18

So what if it means he "does genuinely want to be friends"?
He doesn't want a relationship with you.

cherrysparkles · 06/09/2013 12:31

Ok.

He was the one that keeps saying he's confused about what he wants!

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