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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships : thread 25

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 23:36

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you?re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you?re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don?t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
AnotherRandom · 09/09/2013 22:52

Thank you I will have a read. What a mind fuck.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 09/09/2013 22:55

random I have had a quick look at your thread. he is abusive.
accusing the victim of abuse (you) of being abusive is a classic tactic to keep you confused and on the back foot.

one sign that you are probably not abusive is your reaction to the accusation. you reaction is shock and horror. not anger, denial or claiming he pushed your buttons (blaming).

Have you read Lundy Bancroft? If not, try to get a copy.

An abuser will often accuse you of being abusive or of shouting because in their eyes you are not entitled to stand up for yourself or to argue with them. And as Silvery says, when faced with the grinding oppression of being worn down day in day out we often don't react very wellSad

Have you contacted WA?

anyway, welcome Brew Cake sorry you are having a hard time. keep posting and hopefully we can do what we can to help you see through the fog.

FairyFi · 09/09/2013 23:07

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BreatheandFlyAway · 09/09/2013 23:10

you ok, fi?

TheSilverySoothsayer · 10/09/2013 01:18

posted a bingo update x

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 10/09/2013 02:03

Sorry for lack of personals and going awol for a few days. Today I found out that FW has had another woman all along. Read yexts on his phone whilst he was cutting the grass. Im numb.

BreatheandFlyAway · 10/09/2013 02:16

Flora so sorry. Sad

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 10/09/2013 02:40

Thanks Pony. Im exhausted. Will come tell the whole sorry tale tomorrow x

Dearjackie · 10/09/2013 06:50

flora just want to say I'm thinking of you. Sending you hugs x

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 10/09/2013 07:32

Flora that is horrible. you ok?

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 10/09/2013 08:40

Im not ok. I feel sick and tired and let down. He apparently knew her before we separated 6 weeks ago. The texts were horrible to read. They appear to be in love. He even sent her a picture of his naked torso.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 10/09/2013 09:35

flora the texts will be horrible to read. they will appear to be in love. that is what abusers do. they go head over heels for the first while. promise the moon bring you the stars and then slowly, slowly, the fog rolls in and they take control. don't envy this woman, she is just in for the same as you.

And don't envy him. it might seem like he has moved on and he is free and happy and he has left you with the wreckage to clear up. but he is not happy because wherever he goes, there he is with his dissatisfied attitude to life and his never ending needs and entitlements.

You would not want to be him!
and you have the benfit that you can get away from him and live your life without him. he, however, is stuck with himself for good.

It is a horrible, sickening betrayal and your must be in turmoilSad I don't know whether it is better to know or not to have known. but this too shall pass. you will heal from these horrible wounds and go on to live a happier more fulfilled life without him. It take time. A lot of time. but it will happen.

this is the worst part of the journey. ((hugs)) all i can suggest is that for now you try to keep yourself busy, watch comedy, go out, hang out on MN, read the classic threads, anything to stop you dwelling all the time. and buy yourself some lovely flowers Flowers

he is a total and utter FW.

ponygirlcurtis · 10/09/2013 12:39

Oh Flora that must feel awful. As mink says it's a terrible betrayal, but at the end of the day even more reason to not be with him. But I know knowing that doesn't help right now. Feel your upset, grieve for the person you thought you knew. And get angry at him. He is a shit! And use that anger to keep you going in the weeks to come, and not feel sorry for him in the slightest any more.

ninilegsintheair · 10/09/2013 13:03

Unable to post from my computer for some reason but just offering you some hugs, Flora, and sorry you're feeling bad. He's not worth it and you're so much better off without him.

ponygirlcurtis · 10/09/2013 13:08

Hey Nini - how was the wedding?

ninilegsintheair · 10/09/2013 13:18

The wedding itself was lovely. Everything else was anything but. Long story (will post when I can figure out why I cant post messages off my computer but lets say my FW was on typically top form! Sad

ponygirlcurtis · 10/09/2013 13:29

Sad Nini

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 10/09/2013 14:10

nini Sad
Brew and Cake all round

and flora yy to being angry. whatever you do don't let him push any of this back on to you. you deserved better. whatever he chose to do he chose to do because he is a selfish entitled prick and for no other reason.
[big orange knob of entitlement]

ponygirlcurtis · 10/09/2013 14:16

[big orange knob of entitlement]
Let's lobby MNHQ for that to be made a proper emoticon...

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 10/09/2013 14:31

radio 4 women's hour podcast
www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/whnews

mon 9th
has an interesting section of DA and the law.

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 10/09/2013 16:49

Thanks all for your kind words. I shall print them on my brain!
Feeling really sad. Hes been a complete knob blaming me still. Saying my communication is offhand. Im just being businesslike.
My 10 year old overheard and now knows. Its been hard answering his questions in a way he understands.

Dearjackie · 10/09/2013 17:46

flora he's a total arse FW. In the long run you will be happy and mink is right HE NEVER will be because he always has to live with his dissatisfaction. My FW is the same he was never happy in either of his marriages then along came me and I was the best thing ever UNTIL he got dissatisfied here too

They are a waste of space. Huge hugs to you x Flowers

Anyonedotcom · 10/09/2013 20:37

Hello to you all. First of I just want to say I'm not sure if I actually belong here but for a while I've had a feeling something isn't right but I can't quite put my finger on what it is my mind seems foggy and when I try to think of particular Things my OH does that may be abusive of even wrong I find I can't think straight -is that crazy?

Dear jackie I've just read your entire thread and a lot of what was posted resonated with me and my relationship. Particularly the bits about not being able to brig up anything negative about a partner even if done tactfully and kindly to try and discuss it like mature adults it will end up in an argument with him listedthigs I do to him or he will go off and sulk and be passive aggressive. I feel on tip toes around him, I don't feel truly loved. He does a lot for me in terms of housework and looking after kids. But he isn't very nice a lot of the time.

Tonight he got annoyed because our ds didn't want him to put him to bed so he stormed upstairs, I remarked 'thanks a lot" then he launched into shouting At me that I flthink I'm great? And how do I think he feels that his son doesn't want him. He did apologise but I never feel his apology are sincere because the behaviour continues. Now he is in our room and I feel like I've done wrong as I'm been give. Fhe cold shoulder. I'm not sure if I am making sense I'm quite confused sorry.

I tend not to even bother bringing up anything I'm not happy with because he will never address the issue. One weird thig he also does is not ever react when I cry he just ignores me even when it's not as a result of an argument or about him it is very hurtful so now I just don't cry around him. He told me it is because he usd to hear his mum crying every night when she spilt from his dad and he found a suicide nnote she had wrote. Yes tat would be very distressing but wry does that mean he cannot have any empathy or even want to comfort me when I cry?

Sorry not sure what else to write bit of background we have been together 6 years- have 2 kids 8 yr old dd (obv not his) and 2.5 ds.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 10/09/2013 21:18

Hi, dotcom, I lurked and posted here for about six months before I really felt that I belonged here and even then I could doubt it easily. Still do sometimes, but not for so long now. I definitely found my brain slid away from any thoughts of particular things that my H did. I suppose I had trained it too well over the years to forgive, forget and move on. And what else can you do? As you say, no issue actually gets resolved - your brain probably has to forget a lot for its sanity.

People on here often suddenly remember things that happened - and then wish they hadn't, really.

Anyway, stick around. Brew and Cake

OP posts:
Dearjackie · 10/09/2013 21:21

Oh anyone I have to say everything you have listed here is how my ex behaved. He also did lots around the house but in terms of emotional understanding or empathy then it was a nightmare. I never truly felt loved either because of this and often watered down what I wanted to say for fear of his response, either laying into me verbally, twisting things or the silent treatment

Like you if I cried it was met with coldness more often than not. It's so hard and I feel for you, even more so because you have children together. Now we have split at least I am totally free. I don't know what to advise because I tried so hard to make it work and I couldn't. It is emotionally abusive whether they realise it or not or whether its deliberate or not, I don't know. But the effects are awful on your mind and well being. I could never understand this behaviour because, sure I've got my faults but I'm an open book and hate any kind of manipulative behaviour.
Wishing you strength