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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships : thread 25

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 23:36

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you?re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you?re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don?t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 08/09/2013 22:12

fair suggestion, as long as he wants the things from the house

You were ahead of the game there, pony. Turns out he doesn't now he's totted up the value of them all. Hmm Now potentially neither of us wants them!

Anyway, I was going to bed, but I've returned for a rant because he's just said that this is easier for me because I've "chosen to do it" and he hasn't.

Did I choose to be his lowest priority for the 13 years we were together?
Did I choose to be enslaved and worked pretty close to death attending to his every need as well as bearing children for him and raising them?
Did I choose to be put in my place whenever he felt it was necessary?
Did I choose to be taken advantage of repeatedly when I gave and gave of my time and strength, willingly, because I thought that was what one does for the person one loves - and hoped that one day he would notice and start to reciprocate?
Did I choose to have my needs ignored and myself never taken seriously?
Did I choose to watch my dcs growing up having to fight for the smallest bit of attention from their father?

And now I have "chosen" not to accept this treatment.
I have "chosen" not to accept his apology: "I'm sorry if anything came across badly."
I have "chosen" to do what I have been doing all along - raising my 4 dcs - without the 5th one who most drains my energy, not to mention will to live.

Yes, no wonder he thinks I'm selfish and just out for my own happiness. I deserve everything that's coming to me, really, don't I?

Angry

Right, got that out of my system. Now off to bed!

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ponygirlcurtis · 08/09/2013 22:28

his is easier for me because I've "chosen to do it" and he hasn't.

Is he really so pathetic that he is moaning about the process of separation being 'easier' for you, just because it's your choice and not his? He's another one scraping the barrel for things to throw at you. Your list is a great way to focus your thoughts on the matter though.
Ignore ignore ignore but feel free to feel smug at his patheticness

Does he only not want the things because of their value? What's your take on his 'estimation' of the value?

betterthanever · 08/09/2013 23:12

charlotte he is playing the victim card hard. Yes you have chosen to leave him, because he made you feel very unhappy putting it mildly. And good for you. I hope you can sleep well, you deserve to. My FW will defend himself and rant about me to his dying day - now I know that it loses its impact more and more each day.
Had no internet. I will read and catch up but wishing you all a fw free as far as is possible week.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 09/09/2013 00:57

charlotte it is because he is a

WinkGrin

Re. things in the house, are you going to do a bid system? You both assign a value to an item. you then balance out saying i have this and i say it is worth x. x gets added to your total. but if you say it is not worth a lot, the other person can say i will have it. Likewise if someone sticks a very high value on something they know there stbxp wants then the stbxp can say oh well if it is worth that much you have it. keep going until the totals are equal.
Stops people putting silly values on stuff.

Waves to rose Jackieand bounty nice to see you. onwards and upwards.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 09/09/2013 05:30

The totals are unlikely to be equal... he wants wanted the expensive stuff and I want to be shot of most of it!

I suppose I could take some things and sell them!

Everything has to be a long drawn out argument with him until he gets what he wants. I just don't care enough to do that. Never have. (With the significant exception of leaving him!)

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 09/09/2013 05:42

Oh, and just checked the profile pic. That is hilarious! :o I shall imagine it strapped to his head when I need to...

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LemonDrizzled · 09/09/2013 08:00

Charlotte your FW must have a twin separated at birth I married. What works for me is "I want the best for the children" SO you need the car/any car to transport them . He can take the expensive furniture in payment for half the car. Or he decides that is too expensive and you sell the furniture jointly to pay for another car. His choice. Their best interests. See what I did there?

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 09/09/2013 10:02

Lemon, I have always thought our FWs sounded similar!

It's a good idea. He thinks I am not considering the dc's interests, though, because otherwise I wouldn't even be contemplating bringing them up in a broken home. Hmm

And he's still expecting to have 50:50 contact at some point in the near future, so any argument about what's best for the children can be twisted round so he can argue it for him. He will be living a car ride away from school, whereas I am within walking distance, so for him to pick them up after school, he needs a car.

He's choosing the terms of the disagreement, though: it has to make financial sense for him to go for it. Regardless of the fact that he has a lot more freedom to research and go and look at new cars, and has a job that will pay a certain amount towards hire cars, if the last few months are anything to go by. AND even on the financial side, he says he doesn't know where he'd find money to buy a car, even though his parents are currently holding on to a £10k gift for him!

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ponygirlcurtis · 09/09/2013 10:22

Oh mink! That is utterly fantastic! I am slightly in awe of you! Grin

Charlotte I think the thing to do is once you are out in your lovely rented place, you do not discuss anything to do with the separation with him in anything other than email. Or, of it comes to it, via solicitor. There obviously will be points where you make sacrifices for an easier life, or you don't care enough to battle for something, so you pick the important battles and stand firm on them.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 09/09/2013 10:24

pony you musn't let a big boaby sway your judgementWinkGrin

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 09/09/2013 10:27

Yes. I was a bit scared when the sol said let's make an appointment for Monday morning after you get the house on the Friday... but now I'm glad I have that appointment waiting for me!

Just ignoring as much as possible and stalling till then. He is going away tonight and will be away most of the month, I think, so that'll help.

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MrsMinkBernardLundy · 09/09/2013 10:49

charlotte how long is it until you get the house?

Inthequietcoach · 09/09/2013 12:45

Charlotte, let your sol handle it. If he does not have a solicitor, that is his look out. He will need to get one. Do not agree to anything.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 09/09/2013 13:39

Under four weeks now!

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MrsMinkBernardLundy · 09/09/2013 14:27

Not long at all. It should all become much easier to ignore and detach once you are living in your own house.

betterthanever · 09/09/2013 20:24

Glad things are moving forward for you charlotte as difficult as FW is making it and glad having your sol. is making you feel more secure too.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 09/09/2013 20:30

It has been a long time of idling; I am getting excited and terrified of living in my own place and feeling inadequate to the challenges ahead. All of which I'm assuming is normal and not worrying too much about (as far as possible!).

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betterthanever · 09/09/2013 20:41

You are doing great, you sound very strong and realistic - bottle that please Smile I can see you now dancing round the living room smiling... the count down begins Smile

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 09/09/2013 20:48

:o Thanks. It's only because of watching and listening to you women who have been through it before.

I was dancing round the kitchen with DD2 earlier this evening. Ten minutes later, and FW was home from the errand he'd run; DD2 was trying to pull me up to dance again but the energy had all left me. Took me a moment to realise why.

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betterthanever · 09/09/2013 21:32

Your new home will be full of dancing Smile and happiness and peace.

FairyFi · 09/09/2013 22:03

anyone seen Silvery Sad

AnotherRandom · 09/09/2013 22:25

I'm really sorry to interrupt the conversation but I feel quite shocked and upset.

I have had it confirmed from a thread I posted a few weeks back and my doctor that I am a victim of EA and DV. The ladies who posted were amazing and helped give me the strength to talk to my doctor who also was fantastic. It is all really scary and hard to take in still.

Tonight I have just been talking with my husband randomly about DV and we got into a debate over it and my husband told me that he thinks I have been mentally and verbally abusive to him. I am truly shocked. He said it was around the time he changed religion which tbf I found very hard but i am shocked he said I was mentally abusive. He was not very good at giving examples so I can't quite deal with this.

Am I just as bad as him? :( I feel like I don't even know what I'm doing.

TheSilverySoothsayer · 09/09/2013 22:35

Think I might have seen your thread, random. It is unlikely you were being abusive, often we react to abuse in, perhaps, not the best way.

and been wondering about you too Fi.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 09/09/2013 22:39

Welcome, Random. Twould be just like an abuser to be focussing on your perceived faults. Notice how you're worrying about your behaviour. I think it would be unlikely if you were abusive: you'd be focussed on your partner's behaviour.

Best solution is to get out of the relationship and then see how you interact with other people!

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 09/09/2013 22:40

Actually, just scroll back a day on this thread, as there was a conversation about that very thing yesterday, I believe.

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