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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships : thread 25

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 23:36

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you?re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you?re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don?t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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ponygirlcurtis · 12/08/2013 13:20

Hey Nora. If he wasn't a FW, you could have a reasonable conversation with him about why did he think they were saying that, had anything bad happened, or any rows or anything that would make them grumpy about going back? But he is, so you can't. What do they seem like when they come back? I know sometimes kids can be reluctant to go places but then have a good time while they are there, DS1 can be like that with some things. But if they come back quiet or unsettled, maybe it's time to have a think about what's best for the kids. In that scenario, the move might be good for them! Could you say to him that it's not acceptable for him to speak to you like that in front of the kids if you are a little late? Email him about it, maybe?

Things here are good, I'm out well over a year now, and properly finished with him around 8 months. Our house is now all sold as of last month, and I'm feeling positive about the future! Grin

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BreatheandFlyAway · 12/08/2013 13:22

Hi marking place and waving!

Hello Nora! Rose hope you're ok. Pony Charlotte and everyone I'm catching up shortly, a few access probs.

Xx

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ponygirlcurtis · 12/08/2013 13:38

Are you still on your lovely restful holiday? When are you back in the country?

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NoraLuca · 12/08/2013 14:58

LOL at reasonable conversation with H! Seriously, life would be so much easier if we could just talk about things (prob the same for everyone here!). I once tried saying something along the lines of 'The most important thing now is to do the best for the DDs, so we should try to speak to each other about things, and explain our problems so that we can find a solution' His response? Oh, fuck off, will you? I am how I am and if anyone doesn't like it they can fuck off. That is his stock response, actually. I remember saying similar things to my mates as a dreadful 14 year old Grin

H is a lot stricter than I am, and thinks that I am slack with discipline and childcare. I suppose I am, but I get the girls fed, dressed, entertained and to school on time, etc. so can't be that hopeless. He doesn't like anyone speaking at mealtimes, making a mess, getting clothes dirty, things like that. It's a cultural thing I think, when I was in his home country last year his parenting style was quite similiar to his sisters' although she doesn't shout or swear which makes all the difference.

He smacked DD1 a couple months ago (I nearly started a thread about it but couldn't face all the explanations I'd have to do) and she refused to see him after that. I supported her then, and told H that if it happens again I will stop contact with both DDs and we will sort it out in court. There has been no repeat incident. I feel awful making them go to see him when they say they don't want but I worry that if they stay with me even more than they do ATM it will be the start of losing contact with him.

I would absolutely love to move away, but must do what is best for the DDs. It's figuring out what 'best' is that is the trouble!

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NoraLuca · 12/08/2013 15:55

Rose does this mean that you've left?? go girl!

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ponygirlcurtis · 12/08/2013 16:02

Great news Rose. It's been a long time coming for you. Don't do what I did on finally getting into my own place away from FW, and spend the first evening being verbally abused down the phone by him! Today is your day, yours and DD. Switch off your phone and enjoy it. Sending you hugs. xx

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HansieMom · 12/08/2013 16:09

You did it, Rose! Hurray! It's your new start.

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TeenyW123 · 12/08/2013 18:13

What's your house like Rose?

I'm very proud of you. Tomorrow is the first day of the rest of your life.

Onwards and upwards!

Teeny
Flowers

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RearviewMirror · 12/08/2013 18:33

Hi, I don't really feel up to posting much, but I am in an abusive marriage. I've been struggling with this for so long, walking on eggshells, trying to "fix" myself - if I could just get it right we'd be / he'd be happy.

Right now we 're ( possibly) post-affair , though I thought it ended 7months ago but actually ended one month ago. He says.
One of my kids has major, life- threatening surgery coming up, so I don't feel I can LTB. Only so much I can cope with at once let alone effect on offspring.
By Joe Carver's criteria my OH isn't just A Loser but The Loser.
Fuck, I feel terrible, don't know how I'm getting through the days, naturally I've been isolated so I have no friends.
I do have a therapist ( a great victory, that) who thinks OH is a classic narcissist.
How do I go on?
Any encouragement or support welcome.

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Noregrets78 · 12/08/2013 18:44

rose woop woop well done!

rearviewmirror There's always so many reasons not to LTB - occasions coming up, people that will be affected... once one is over there's another around the corner. But your DC's surgery is a pretty good reason! I agree there's only so much you can deal with. There's still stuff you can do to keep yourself sane - make a plan, remember you're just biding time, not stuck there forever. This is a really good place to feel less isolated, and maybe in time you'll feel able to confide in RL, friends will understand when you explain how you've withdrawn.

Others will come along with more kind words I'm a mere amateur compared to these wonderful ladies!

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crushedpetals · 12/08/2013 19:08

Rose, second what pony says. Switch off your phone, don't check your email. Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy your space and the silence.
The thing which I have been reflecting on today, which I said, and you agreed, is how much we had given up. That is the biggest thing, and actually the scariest, that that could happen. Start getting yourself, your life back, one step at a time.

RVW, I think recognition is half the battle, to be honest, because once you have clarity, you can start to see out of the fog and what you are going to do begins to get clearer. Get your DS through his surgery, make a plan, basically what noregrets said, and post here, get as much RL support as you feel able, and again, one step at a time.

mink, I'm going to take up my seat in the quiet coach, thank you, working on getting a bit of 'me' back. I popped my head out to check on Rose, if that doesn't sound too patronising. Rose, I absolutely cannot say how glad I am for you that you have made it to your destination. Stay strong. Will be holding your hand from the quiet coach.

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 12/08/2013 20:33

I'm going to be a bit "me" this evening. I have told the agents I'd like the house and have forms to fill in this evening. I don't know if I'll have time or space as FW has returned, and has heard from DD2 that I told her about the split today. I did and I feel so much better that it's out in the open. It was rather spontaneous: it's just been feeling more and more wrong that they don't know, physically like a large weight on my shoulders.

I expect, with the two things together, FW will be furious.

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 12/08/2013 20:34

Hello jackie btw and glad you've come to join us!

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Dearjackie · 12/08/2013 20:36

Thank you charlotte how are you this evening? :)

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Dearjackie · 12/08/2013 20:55

I an passing through the disbelief station tonight. How after 4 yrs can he just dump me in that way? Like he doesn't give a shit about my feelings.
He was supposed to be here with his children for a few days from today and we were to have spent the rest of the week together. Think that's why I'm feeling like this.

Hate myself for it but can't help wondering what he's doing. Someone please give me good slap

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ponygirlcurtis · 12/08/2013 21:13

RVW welcome, sorry you have to be here, and sorry to hear of your DC's upcoming surgery, that's a lot to deal with. I agree, take things slowly, read around, gather information. You could contact Women's Aid now and get some advice, and other agencies, so that when the time comes you are ready to go.

Charlotte how did DD2 take it? Do all the kids know now, or just the older ones? Let him be furious. It's only because it puts his charade of 'we can fix this' into the toilet, and he's furious you are taking control and moving on.

jackie it's normal to be thinking about him. You are a normal person, therefore it's not easy for you to walk away from a 4-year relationship (much less your kids and other responsibilities) without a thought for the other person. Think back on the things you have been through with him, try and focus on the reasons why you are out rather than think about his good points. I'm not saying he doesn't have any, just that you need to work really hard to stop your brain drifting back to what it's familiar with. Going back to him is an easy option, staying away is hard but better in the long run (understatement!).

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minkembernard · 12/08/2013 21:55

RVW hi. sounds like you are really in need of some support. welcome.
sorry you are going through so much. I second contacting WA when you feel up to it. making a plan so you have something to hold on to. an maybe reading Lundy if you can face it.
we are here any time you need a rant, a moan, a shoulder to cry on or anything else we can manage.
also if possible, disengage and separate yourself from him as much as you can whilst still staying together for your dcs.

Jackie he can because he is a FW. same as mine can walk away from his dcs. he is a FW. they are not nice people.

charlotte glad you are moving on. I think it is better for the dcs to know as much as is appropriate for their age. no reason why he should dictate that.

waves to everyone else. I should really get in the quiet carriage and work too. Grin and not be chatting to Irish boys on dating sites...oh no...not me.

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ColinButterfly · 12/08/2013 22:25

Hello

Rose I'm thinking of you and hope you're ok

Right well I had two weeks away from the city I work in/FW used to live in. Went back today. I have been doing so well but it's hit me like a tonne of bricks again. What fresh hell is this? I remembered all the nice things he ever said and wondered where his 'love' for me had gone. I feel worse than I have done in quite some time. It's supposed to get better not worse! Found myself really wanting him back.

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ponygirlcurtis · 12/08/2013 22:32

mink Grin

Hey Colin - sometimes these things resurface when you least expect it - it could have been triggered by something. Read through your old posts again, including the ones recently talking about how much better your life is without him. But don't beat yourself up for whatever you are feeling. Have an early night and tomorrow focus on yourself and doing something nice, a pre-winter pedicure maybe with all that money you aren't spending on him any more. Or some nice flowers. Flowers

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minkembernard · 12/08/2013 22:39

colin I often have wistful moments. after all the greasy bloaters did come with a nice garnish and a very tasty sauce. if they were all bad we would never have gone there. but underneath it all, still a greasy bloater (sorry silvery if I am maligning the bloatersWink you can substitute in mutton and swede slump)

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betterthanever · 12/08/2013 22:50

rose I knew today was the day - not been able to get on for a couple of days. Good luck - hope you are ok and settle and peaceful.
Waving at the new people hope to chat to you soon as it is late and have mounds of things I should be doing, at the moment I just can't seem to get off the roundabout of things that need doing- glad it's theraphy day tomorrow. My question is - do I just take too much on or can I just not cope with what I should?
I like ponys advice colin look after yourself Flowers.

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ponygirlcurtis · 12/08/2013 22:53

Hey better I don't know the answer, but I bet it's that you have too high expectations for what you should be able to achieve on any given day. You need to look after yourself too!!

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BreatheandFlyAway · 12/08/2013 23:00

Pony and Mink, I look forward to reading Feck of Fook Hill by A S Vixen in near future!

Pony I like to shove wotsits in my hamwidges too (though not my jamwidges!)

Rose lovely one I am thinking of you.

Yy Pony and Jackie re the fw not laughing at same thing. The little telly I did get to watch, I was heartily mocked for and kids trained to tease me, as though it was big deal to occasionally record an episode of father Ted when I never got a chance to watch anything I chose.

I can't get past the first few messages on the new thread, my phone won't let me, sorry if I'm not up to date and I hope this post gets through!

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