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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships:22

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foolonthehill · 23/05/2013 18:05

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
TisILeclerc · 12/06/2013 20:59

Pony How did I not know it was your birthday today? Confused

The children took me shopping tonight to get my birthday present but I'm under strict instructions not to have it until Saturday... Smile

FairyFi · 12/06/2013 20:59

quality throw mades makes massive difference. I have throw to contrast with sofa colour, but matches with wall colour. I like it, and I'm glad thats all that mattters [smiles]

TisILeclerc · 12/06/2013 21:01

Oh yes, I will drink to that Fi (slurp) I only have to please myself Smile

bountyicecream · 12/06/2013 21:01
TisILeclerc · 12/06/2013 21:07

I will almost certainly be here Saturday bounty. I'm going out Friday night Grin

sweetpeasunday · 12/06/2013 21:12

Colin, the comment about wanting to have DS and his life stay the same. This exactly.

very, FFF, bounty, handholding. It is shit, I have two failed marriages, I would not wish it on anyone. This is not a choice you made at the outset, and I would bet you have given your all to try and make it work. I think it is natural to be sad. And also to wish it had turned out differently.

That said, with both my xhs, I really do not see how it could have been different, because they would have needed to be different people and so, possibly, would have I. I would have needed to understand my need for approval, my inability to say no, and have had an acknowledgement of myself as a person, by which I mean recognition that my needs counted.. I would have also needed to understand the dynamics of control and abuse, and realise how it had moulded me growing up, I would have needed the ability to set and stick to boundaries, actually, even know there was such a thing, all of those things I would have needed for things to be different, to have had any chance of recognising a FW before the web was spun and having had any chance of a happy, intact, family life.

Which is not blaming myself, or anyone else who suffers abuse, just that, in the face of it, I did not have a chance. Because I did not know.

So, yes, the chance of happy families in the conventional sense has gone. And yet, I still have more than many in the form of two lovely dcs and the chance of properly being myself. And being the person who knows all those things now, and who can hopefully help dcs also to know them.

Forgive the introspection.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 12/06/2013 21:13

GS, thank you. Extra special to hear that from someone who has been through so much recently. Hope you're doing well, lovely.

bounty, echoing what glowingColin said about it still being a family: DD still has two parents, and hopefully FW will step up to the plate there. (Read on that "fatherless" thread that meaningful contact was defined for purposes of the survey as two or more contacts a year. Confused )

It is not normal to have conversations about how goof looking you are Y'hear, FW? (Rather like the typo, Colin! :o ) And re criticisms of how you look, thanks for the reminder. I can't blame that on not being assertive enough. Time to dig out my shitlist and remind myself what was wrong...

sweetpeasunday · 12/06/2013 21:14

And while I was musing in the corner all pensive there has been a party going on. Happy birthday pony.

Wine to all.

sweetpeasunday · 12/06/2013 21:15

And Happy Birthday tis too!

FairyFi · 12/06/2013 21:18

do hope the [today] birthday girl will be showing soon... v. excited...

WinnieFosterTether · 12/06/2013 21:19

Happy birthday pony < pops '5000 miles' on the record player cos no Scottish birthday party is complete without it, and sneaks on 'Dignity' too >

Tis nice to see you again and happy birthday for Sat too in case I don't make it back on this week.

I'm feeling pretty swamped just now. I'm physically exhausted and my emotions are all over the place. I'm tempted to just book a weekend away from everything but I keep thinking I'll need as much money as possible to make my escape. Anyway have a great party in the Vixens lovelies and will see you all when I'm feeling sparklier.

FairyFi · 12/06/2013 21:40

sends sparkles to Winnie for good nrg.... and huge appreciation for 5000 miles!!! party on! Plan a trip to a friend for company/break/little outlay/restorative energies?

FairyFi · 12/06/2013 21:41

party moving over a thread?

LemonDrizzled · 12/06/2013 22:41

Aah that's better. Just catching up on you all. Excellent progress all round! Even feeling sad at how things turn out is healthy.

Happy birthday Pony and Tis

I'm pondering names after your chat yesterday. My maiden name makes people smirk. My married name is lovely but is a reminder of hard times. My DP has a lovely name too... but I don't want to marry him yet. Maybe my DGM's name would be nice? Hmmm

Funnyfishface · 12/06/2013 22:56

He has gone. His wardrobe and drawers are empty.

He told me that he loved me and still fancies me. I cried.

X

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 12/06/2013 22:56

I don't like my maiden name, either. Gonna keep my married name, I think, and think of it as the surname of my dcs and lovely pils. But shall continue to use Ms which always annoyed FW!

Still thinking about that video linky Fi posted this morning. Powerful stuff; sure it'll have quite an impact on many young people.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 12/06/2013 22:58

X-post. I am so glad for you fff that he has actually gone, and so sad for you at the same time as it is really really hard.

Hand-holding... Be kind to yourself and know the emotions will not feel this strong for long.

bountyicecream · 12/06/2013 23:04

Handholding from me too FFF There's nothing wrong with a good cry. It's healthy.

ColinButterfly · 12/06/2013 23:21

Evening and birthday salutations pony and tis

Rather enjoying the Deacon Blue and the effects of tonight's wine with my friends. I'm making a conscious effort to write down the nice things that happen to me and people I see. It's doing wonders.

fff another hand here. It's a shame they don't use the magic words until its too late

I luffs my vixens xxx

sweetpeasunday · 12/06/2013 23:23

fff, your relationship, what you have described on here, is not how love is supposed to be. Handholding from me too.

Funnyfishface · 12/06/2013 23:26

I know sweetpea. You are right.

22 years together and I have stood by him throughout. I thought I could make it work. I thought he would change.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 12/06/2013 23:32
CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 12/06/2013 23:32

New thread is here.

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