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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships...coming of age:21

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foolonthehill · 04/05/2013 11:49

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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butterflymeadow · 21/05/2013 20:38

Hi,
Just checking in too, to say that I agree that spiritual fasting (and if he didn't even manage one meal, it cannot be classed as actual RL fasting) definitely does deserve the Fuckwittery of the Highest Order award.

Alice, yes make appt with GP and do not show your H the letter, it will give him ammunition, and the general consensus here is the paed was negligent for failing to reconise you were asking for help Sad. You need to keep asking.

pony belated hugs on the one year anniversary.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 21/05/2013 20:44

pony - yes, I need to stay here. I think it's building up the courage to do so. Still feeling very unsteady after that knock back from medical professional recently, and need support as I feel like people are saying it's all in my head. I know it's not, but I need someone real to acknowledge it. It's helpful that he went off in front of one of my friends recently - she was shocked. He pulled it back really quick when he realised what he'd done and apologised with a million excuses.

It's going to be huge - his family is going to go mental and all the fallout will be on me. And it's going to be very unpleasant. So I'm probably putting it off a bit until I'm strong enough and secure enough in my position to deal with that. Plus I still haven't been able to get legal advice. That's going to take some doing to get that organised. I might not be able to get that until end of September, early October, sadly, due to circumstance.

Montessorisam · 21/05/2013 20:45

Can I get some advice please? FW is picking kids up for the first time since our separation last saturday. I know he will be full of anger, hatred and general FWittery. I'm not sure how to go about it all to avoid confrontation, arguments, out ANY conversation. I've already had 2 texts "I will never forgive you for this" and "Are you happy now?" (sent 10 minutes ago) I have not responded to either (very proud of myself for that) So how do I go about this? I would drop them off with him but he wants to take them out for food near to where I live so that's not possible. I thought I could look out the window for his car then send kids out to him...do not want him in the house! Any other ideas? Thanks x

butterflymeadow · 21/05/2013 20:57

sam, if you do not want him at the house, my advice would be to take children to restaurant. You want to do handovers at a neutral, public location. If he starts haranguing you, you can say not in front of the children, not in a public place. Arrange pick up time and leave. Ignore texts and do not engage. Decide your boundaries and stick to them, even if he push, push, pushes.

Montessorisam · 21/05/2013 21:10

butterfly good idea. Thanks.

BreatheandFlyAway · 21/05/2013 22:58

Hello.

Sorry, I am reading everything on here but can't pick myself up enough to post properly in response to others yet. I'm not down and out, just completely wiped suddenly. I think moving forward can take its toll physically and mentally sometimes? Also I've ditched the ADs, given up meat, started on a new eating regime and had counselling today. So it's feeling pretty full on. For some reason I ache ALL OVER! The strongest pain is in my neck ironically enough Grin

pony congrats on your anniversary Smile xxx

butterflymeadow · 21/05/2013 23:11

sam, it is hard particularly if he is hostile and angry. You need to be really really firm and remember that you have a right to end the marriage, and the fact that it is not working for you is reason enough, regardless of everything else.

I'm not even going to go into the last few months, but I really cannot emphasise enough, once you have made sure the children are safe, do not put yourself in a position where he can harangue you. If it happens in a public place (and it did for me), there is a limit to how long he will carry on if you keep repeating, I do not wish to discuss this here, I do not wish to discuss this in front of the children, I think you should concentrate on your time with the children. And make sure you have a friend on the other end of the phone to talk to once you are done, so you can calm down.

Funnyfishface · 21/05/2013 23:30

I hit my rock bottom in November last year. The anxiety was so bad I couldn't leave the house. I went on medication and am still on it. Which I hate. I will not allow myself to go back to that state.
I have just had a weekend away at my mums. Lovely peace, quiet no dramas. A weekend of encouragement, love and tlc.
My h is having mid life crisis. He is bored with our lives. He is jealous of everyone and everything which includes our sons. Bizarre!
He is so moody. I am fed up with it all.
We have a passionate marriage but that is it. Whilst he is getting sex he is happy.
Does all that make sense?

Funnyfishface · 21/05/2013 23:33

Breathe - well done for giving up ads - did u come off them slowly?

And the neck pain is stress. I get it all the time. A massage works wonders. Gentle though or you feel bruised.

BreatheandFlyAway · 21/05/2013 23:49

funny I am glad you had quality time at your mum's Smile that sounds relaxing.

I gave up the ADs sort of by chance - forgot to renew my prescription in time and then having been off them a few days because of that, I just didn't start taking them again when I got them from chemist.

So far it's been ok, though I did start crying randomly - but I think my situation requires a few tears and it's time for me to let my feelings have some space without trying to quell everything IYSWIM. However, if I get the panic back, I will consider taking them every other day, then tapering off more slowly. I don't want to be on meds anymore, partic when I read they could be the reason for my weight gain Shock (ie am eating healthily and no more than usual but putting on weight) (dammit!)

BreatheandFlyAway · 21/05/2013 23:53

YY to having a moody FW Funny BTW. It's so draining, carrying other people's bloody moods. Despite all my "issues" (ie having a fw), I am a relatively "up" person and quite cheerful and friendly and I am SO fed up with Mr Grumpy Pants always having his little mood swings etc. I am so glad to be detached from him mentally and getting there totally. Hope you're ok.

FairyFi · 22/05/2013 00:17

tick moods oh god! black moods, never-ending bloody misery!

Every sunday night, and for many nights coming down off cocaine/mdma/cannabis cocktails ... and the every sunday night moods, and the stuffs not done in time moods. I can remember when there weren't moods now, where he wasn't there!

I used to have to explain to dd his verbal assaults, that we had to ignore him and stay out of his way Sad upshot being, we didn't have much to do with him. Mind you, he would never come in and start playing with her/talk to me (oh yeah, he did, to rant shout the same ol blarney about work and the eeejits, dumb ass, subordinates he worked with!)

He used to say the most arrogant stuff about his 'friends', and I didn't know how he could talk to them as if they were his bestest buddies, always saying how one talked all the time and drove him mad, how another was as thick as shite, one of the gf/s was always like a trolley dolly and an airhead, and the level of the telly they watched just about said it all) These are the ppl he calls his 'friends' now! the self same ppl he is now filling full of shit about me. They are very useable his friends it seems, far more manipulatable than me, assuming they are not living in fear of him, which I have to assume they are not!

Funnyfishface · 22/05/2013 00:28

Haha and the sighing!
Sighing, tutting and slamming about.
I ask him everyday 'what's the matter, are you ok?'
Nothing is the matter and I'm ok - so why the face? I don't get it.
I am also an upbeat happy person but my god he is sucking the life out of me.
So why us it I feel guilty.

BreatheandFlyAway · 22/05/2013 00:30

fi they live on another planet, don't they Sad

BreatheandFlyAway · 22/05/2013 00:31

ooh, sighing, tutting and slamming, YYYYYY Angry grrr so bored by their petty little moods!!

FairyFi · 22/05/2013 00:38

((Fly)) for the pain in the neck!

Raises Wine to Pony for anniversary (belated ooops!)

Keep your powder dry Charlotte you have a friend in your trust, and someone to share with... never heard of the prayers to salve, etc.... but when faced with 'it can't be my fault', I guesss all one can do is PRAY! but one must also enlist the services of the duped to join in the praying for the poor lost soul that wants this [to be free, yaya!]

Life flashing before my eyes! scarey shit.

BreatheandFlyAway · 22/05/2013 00:40

Fi hope not too scary? (((hand holding)))

FairyFi · 22/05/2013 00:44

yeah, tis Sad maybe tablets will be the answer?

Welcome FFF, I think I might have said already Blush but I think you can't be too welcome right? Wink stonewalling? very familiar - tick

BreatheandFlyAway · 22/05/2013 00:49

fi I am sorry it's Sad right now. Tablets can indeed be a good solution in the short term. I employ them for sure! Take care lovely. Remember you have your support group here, wielding kitchen implements on your behalf, even if it's at a black cloud, not a fw.

BreatheandFlyAway · 22/05/2013 00:50

I had better head to bed, work tomorrow. But I'm thinking of you, fi. Big (((hugs))), Brew or Wine whichever is most useful (or all Smile)

FairyFi · 22/05/2013 01:01

thanks... reassuring the kitchen tools at the ready Wink

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 22/05/2013 07:34

Another morning, another bout of shouting and stomping around and nasty comments.

Sorry, a bit of venting but it's either that or scream like a madwoman this morning.

I really struggling right now. We actually discussed the possibility of separating a month or so ago, but I don't think H actually thinks I'll do it. He stated that he wouldn't fight having supervised contact and wouldn't do anything to disrupt the children. I am not sure I trust that, and feel I still need legal advice. He doesn't act worried about it at all (or perhaps he just doesn't care, I don't really know). Brief moment of respite this morning as he stepped out for a few minutes. I need to clean up the computer as I've not been using the stealth mode.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 22/05/2013 08:08

I have a question. I want to read the Lundy Why does he do that book, but if H sees it he will go spare. I read another Lundy book on Kindle, so it was relatively easy to manage. But this book is not available on Kindle. It's not the reading part as I can read while he is at work, but it's the ordering. He's home during the day, so I can't have it delivered here or he'll want to know what book I ordered. What have others done about this type of thing?

Grrrrrrrrrr. I'm going to have to have it delivered to a friend and get it from her, aren't I? How embarrassing.

arthriticfingers · 22/05/2013 09:08

Or see if your local library can get you a copy. Alice
but, honestly, it is not embarrassing - your friends might pleasantly surprise you, but, even if they don't, I don't think anyone would 'comment'. That fear is in our heads after years and years of 'comments' from FWs Angry

betterthanever · 22/05/2013 09:08

Hey everyone - I have just had a quick catch up I've been drained too and dealing with FWittery breathe I could have written a lot of your post about that, in fact I often read through a lot of posts and the feelings and symptoms are just mine too. I am actually off work at the min with flu but I now its because I am run down and stressed.
FW did another life story book it's better but has really upset DS - he doesn't want to know- he refused point blank to look at it with the nominated person, kicked it, threw it and he is not a destructive child - I got him to look at it with me a few days later but he says that's it he has seen it and doesn't want to see it again. We are only back in court in about 6 weeks - dreading it - first time before a judge and cross examined - I cant bare to hear FW's voice and the lies. He will get a big stage to tell the world just how horrible I am - I am just a Mum who was deserted and has coped, all be it very hard and now he wants to ruin that and gain control again.
I have also found out a few things about him - he has been using an alias which may account for his lifestyle not being conjusive with being on benefits - its all too much for me really - I just want this FW out of my life and not in my DS's. I feel like he is going to topple the whole pack of cards that has taken me so long to build up.