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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships...coming of age:21

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foolonthehill · 04/05/2013 11:49

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
FairyFi · 19/05/2013 23:04
BreatheandFlyAway · 19/05/2013 23:04

Fi Smile thank you lovely lady xxxx

lemon I'm so glad your Little House is calm and orderly, sounds blissful Smile

butter very thoughtful re trampoline Grin thanks!

BreatheandFlyAway · 19/05/2013 23:06

charlotte it's funny that we seem to almost feel the need for their permission to leave, which they'll never give - it's the final hurdle in a way, isn't it? And so hard to overcome.

BreatheandFlyAway · 19/05/2013 23:07

PS funny curious not funny ha ha of course!

LemonDrizzled · 19/05/2013 23:08

We are all programmed to conform to other peoples expectations. We are the nice ones, the tolerant ones, the ones who don't make a fuss but put up with crappy treatment and don't rock the boat.

So when we say "Actually this boat is making me sea sick I am getting off now" there is an intake of breath. "You are doing what? Don't you understand you are meant to stay aboard until I say you can get off?"

But actually it is okay to make your own decision. if you don't like it you can leave. Simples!

FairyFi · 19/05/2013 23:09

let that warmth & strength provided by the deep draught drawn from the tankard reach into every inch of your being Charlotte

I have many 'trip-ups' [I call them] where I do something I know is right for me, and along comes the 'trip-up' feeling after it. If you like you could consider it a 'download' from the 'masterbaiter computer' .. running our own regular virus checker against it will gradually erode and eradicate Smile.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 19/05/2013 23:11

Yes, would be easier if they gave permission, or at least recognised they'd done something wrong! But as you say, never gonna happen.

Right, think I need to get to bed and hopefully sleep enough to feel stronger in the morning. Night all you lovely people!

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 19/05/2013 23:13

Love that analogy, Lemon!

FairyFi · 19/05/2013 23:14

good night lovelies... tonight was a good night Charlotte [smiles]

butterflymeadow · 19/05/2013 23:15

lemon, I did tell FW I wanted to separate about three months before we finally split, or at least, I finally separated from him, he sat there steely-faced and said I had a nerve. It was seriously like I was being impudent, he didn't act upset or ask why or what he could do, it was that I had the temerity to suggest it.

LemonDrizzled · 19/05/2013 23:15

Actually this week at work I had a revelation over other people's behaviour. I have been dealing with someone who gets his way by ranting and shouting and stamping his foot. Everybody tiptoes round him. But when I am firm and give him boundaries he respects them. With my new assertiveness he knows he can't mess with me!!

Now I have seen that the people who work for him have all learned to behave the same way. Lots of twatty stamping and shouting. The whole lot of them need retraining to be calm and civil and reasonable. It's amazing because I am sure individually they are nice people.

But the others in my team are either furious and too cross to deal with him or scared and don't want a confrontation. I have been nominated chief negotiator because I can do boundaries and I don't get riled up. So all that FW training has been invaluable! Tricky staff are a doddle in comparison!

Back to Inferno chapter 63 more running about ancient ruins

butterflymeadow · 19/05/2013 23:16

Night from me too

LemonDrizzled · 19/05/2013 23:19

Fly I used to get the Cross Headmaster lectures too. I think he couldn't bear to be The Man Whose Wife Left Him because of what people would think.

I am used to being a Disappointment now! It is actually okay isn't it?

LemonDrizzled · 19/05/2013 23:19

Night Fly

Montessorisam · 20/05/2013 07:48

Morning all. May I re-join from about 300 messages ago please? He finally went over the weekend. Relief, sadness, guilt. Wooo loads of emotions. Mostly guilt for my 3 kids. He took the dog and my eldest daughter is pretty sad about that but I told her she can have doggy sleepovers.
So much to deal with...I am taking the day off to catch my breath. He sent me a text last night saying "I will never forgive you for this" which just about sums him up. Blame for 4 years over everything. How ironic that that was why I asked him to leave in the first place!
Anyway, please lovely ladies - do you have and thoughts, tips on how to get through these shaky first few weeks. Thank you xx

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 20/05/2013 09:55

Yay, sam - congratulations! I don't have any advice, as I am just entering them myself, but well done on getting this far. I think it's a horrible situation to be in, but this is the only way to have a chance at making things better.

butterflymeadow · 20/05/2013 10:55

sam, mainly expect it to take time to sort out. Look after yourself physically, eat properly, get sleep and exercise, do small things you enjoy. Make time to spend together just you and the kids, because you need to bond as a new family unit. Make sure that they also have time with their dad (which you are not part of and stay out of that). be absolutely clear about boundaries and stick to them. Do not respond to blame conversations. Let dcs school know, let someone there (teacher/teaching assistant) know who you trust to be able to talk to them if they get upset at school/afterschool. That is all I can think of at the moment.

lemon YY to cross headmaster, absolutely that.

Montessorisam · 20/05/2013 12:30

butterfly good advice thanks. Clear boundaries sound right. I need to get the front door key off ex too - keep thinking he is going to walk in and it is making me nervous! And not responding to blame is spot on. That's a lot easier now that he has gone! Thank you x
charlotte for me - one minute at a time is what is keeping me going. Don't panic I keep telling myself x

butterflymeadow · 20/05/2013 12:56

yes, re the keys. Ex refused to give me mine back, and I did eventually change the locks on legal advice for the reasons you say. So, yes, add to my list: see a solicitor, if you have not already done so.

Funnyfishface · 20/05/2013 15:06

Hi I'm joining you in this thread unfortunately. My situation is similar stage to Charlotte.
Feeling sick and anxious.
22 years together with 2 sons (grown up).
Controlling, moody, negative, name calling, jealous, financial abuse, disrespectful husband.
I think our time is up and now scared to plan next move. I'm sick of walking on egg shells.
He says he loves me but I don't feel 'loved'.

Will need encouragement and support for the road ahead if anyone has any? Xx

TheSilveryPussycat · 20/05/2013 15:21

Fff welcome. You have spoken to him - had The Conversation? - or not?

There is nothing to be scared of in planning - in fact, it can be empowering. Take your time, think things through.

I was still messed up at the time I issued divorce petition, and a statement from Ex that he still loved me might well have swayed me But it was oh so clear from his actions and inactions that he loved me not one jot. This love thing gets in the way... You sound clear in your thinking, though.

WinnieFosterTether · 20/05/2013 18:13

Gosh I'm missed so much over the weekend. Raises Brew in celebration (although it is only tea and not wine - too fragile for alcohol at the moment).

I had a crappy, crappy, weekend and night but, of course this morning nsdh acted as though nothing had happened Sad. We had a massive fight/argument about parenting/smacking. It's all such a total waste of breath because he doesn't listen. As he says 'he doesn't have to listen to me and I don't have any right to tell him what to do or how to behave' . . .he's the master of 'reasonable comments' that aren't reasonable at all.

Now I'm Angry and feeling stuck, yet I know the 'stickiness' is only caused by my inertia. Sorry to bring down the celebratory mood, I'll lurk in the corner of the Vixens throwing extra sharp darts at the dartboard till I feel better.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 20/05/2013 19:25

Don't worry, I'm not feeling celebratory either. He is spreading the news and getting sympathy - most people don't really understand why I'm doing it and I don't want to relive the whole sorry story so that they do. I don't want to talk to him about it, either, but his pov seems to be that I need to explain it so that he understands, or he won't agree to the separation. And he's said to my parents that he's going to "fight for me, in the nicest possible way". He's phoned Relate! Ha, at last. Hmm And was told that they can help rebuild marriage but they can also help ease the separation so that there's understanding. I said, fine, I'll go to an initial assessment appointment if it's about the latter. It's on Thursday morning. Think I'm going to ask the counsellor how they assess if there's abuse.

arthriticfingers · 20/05/2013 19:34

I am really sorry that lovely women are having put up with shit :(
Have come in for Wine
Something for the jukebox - the vixens has only the best.
It shows my age Grin, but it also expresses hope for us all.

LemonDrizzled · 20/05/2013 20:02

Ha Fingers I think I am older than you! Nice tune though Smile

Sam well done! There is a nice simile on another thread about living in a bad relationship being like a toothache. You know the tooth has to come out but when it does it hurts more for a while. then it can heal.
You have pulled out the tooth - well done! Now be very kind and gentle to yourself and the DC and do all the things FW wouldn't allow like eating pizza in the living room

FFF welcome and sorry you need us!