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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships...coming of age:21

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foolonthehill · 04/05/2013 11:49

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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FairyFi · 19/05/2013 17:31

butterfly my words were in agreement with your own, that you were worried about speaking of how painful it can be afterwards. I have felt the same about posting when others are still in it how awful it is being out of it! but I wanted to share my clarity around that now. Its different hell, but one that has an end, heh? and full of peace and space?

Good to hear of new beginnings in your life Colin. I hope you can stay with the realisations of the previous relationship so taking your valuable learnings with you into a new one. It certainly is a lot to think about, look after yourself and hope you go at the speed you can best manage.

TieredConfusedMummy · 19/05/2013 17:32

Thank you. This thread really makes me realize that things within my marriage are not normal as I'm encouraged to believe. It makes me realise that all the things that if asked I would say I want in a relationship actually aren't unreasonable, and are actually normal! So thank you all for helping to remind me that. It gets so easy when there is no-one else to talk to to think that actually things are in my head, not as bad as I think etc.

Sometimes I feel that FW is actually sabotaging my revision. I am really close to a first, and H got a 2:1. And he always goes on that he's got a better IQ than me, is smarter etc. And at times it really feels that he is making sure subtly that I don't get the peace and time to revise so I don't beat him ... may just be in my head though..

ColinCaterpillar · 19/05/2013 17:39

Thank you fairy, don't think this is likely to lead anywhere but it is a lovely distraction and has remedied some of FWs crap, namely being made to feel attractive and realising how normal people tick, and I know this isn't because the person is a she, but because she's not a FW

tiered sabotage and minimising your achievements = bog standard FW behaviour. The things they can devote energy and thought to is staggering. My academic achievements were always put down and my career too. He couldnt stand me having success.

TieredConfusedMummy · 19/05/2013 17:43

not that I see it as beating him or that it's a competition. I don't know. .. I've been with him for almost 10 years. ... since I was 16... I don't know how to be without him...but I don't want to live like this. I find myself checking round the house before he comes home filled with anxiety., making sure everything us how he wants it..so there's nothing for him to criticise. He doesn't make me happy apart from the odd occasion where I think 'this is the man I knew'. though I've come to realise that even at the start he lied and manipulated me Sad

TieredConfusedMummy · 19/05/2013 17:48

that sounds all to familiar colin I had a part time waitressing job before working for his sister, to help out financially while I went to uni. a job he insisted I get. if I talk about it now he akwsys puts me/it down asking why I'm so proud of a 'shitty little manual job'...His words.

oh and I mentioned a few months ago that all my assignments where checked by him and his mum as they were 'helping me'... because I'm obviously not smart enough, and his comment that getting 2:1's where failing grades Sad

he can turn it all round though and make me feel the unreasonable one.

ColinCaterpillar · 19/05/2013 17:49

Of course you don't think it's a contest - you're normal! Honestly FWs get jealous of you getting anything they don't get. That's how it works.

Just been reading this

www.escapeabuse.com/npd.pdf

ColinCaterpillar · 19/05/2013 17:50

Yes you aren't alone there, FW could get me to apologise for his outlandish behaviour

butterflymeadow · 19/05/2013 18:26

fi, thanks, yes, I know, it was just when I read my own post back. Peace and space...and mess friendly clutter. FW was very Sleeping with the Enemy in terms of everything being in order all the time. Without lifting much of a finger here and letting me know if he did...I think I am rebelling now.

tired, it is not in your head. If I get a minute later, I will pm you, if that is okay. I had a realisation last week which kind of fits with what you are saying.

TieredConfusedMummy · 19/05/2013 18:53

butterfly yes thats fine. thank you Smile

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 19/05/2013 20:05

I'll be back later, but just flying in to say please be thinking of me: I'm having The Conversation with him this evening. Have been feeling sick and dizzy all day in anticipation!

ColinCaterpillar · 19/05/2013 20:07

Thinking of you Charlotte

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 19/05/2013 20:16

Hope it goes well charlotte

foolonthehill · 19/05/2013 20:16

Flowers and thoughts

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FairyFi · 19/05/2013 20:35

yy dizzy and sick Charlotte replace with calm and determination! This is what YOU want and will make all the difference to all your lives (not talking about FW obviously).

Just remember we're all with you (if you can squeeze us all into your living room, or wherever 'the talk' will happen) - actually perhaps you could introduce him to your friends at The Vixens ??? Wink yes, I think so.. xxx

TheSilveryPussycat · 19/05/2013 20:39
FairyFi · 19/05/2013 21:15

and noticed that I have absent-mindedly forgotten to leave deliberately armed myself with kitchen utensils [cast iron waffle iron], when I got out from behind the gas cooker Hmm

TieredConfusedMummy · 19/05/2013 21:32

Just wanted to add I'm thinking of you Colin

TieredConfusedMummy · 19/05/2013 21:59

meant to put Charlotte obviously! H had just walked in as I was typing though, oops.

BreatheandFlyAway · 19/05/2013 22:05

Hello tiered, I am very sorry for your sad loss. And also for the fwittery that you're experiencing. You sound like you know where you're aiming for though, and that means you'll get there Smile

Colin very glad for you that you're feeling a little stronger and that you have found some rays of happiness Smile

Charlotte I have a grater, a potato peeler and a nut cracker Wink at the ready Good luck, lovely, I am thinking of you.

Butter and fi it's very helpful and supportive to hear your views from the outside. I am kind of sitting on window ledge with one leg outside and the dcs and dcat in a large sling on my back Smile PS not literally, should hasten to add Wink

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 19/05/2013 22:30

Well, I read Alexandra Nouri for strength, then went into combat with your support.

He was totally floored, not expecting it at all. He wants explanations, reasons, definitive proof that he has done something sufficiently bad over the past six weeks to warrant this. Hmm I said little, and made it as bland as possible: "It's not you, it's me," and so on. Anything I say will be taken as opening the door a crack for him to wedge his foot in.

Poor narcissist. "What have I done? How can you do this to me? How can you feel like this when it was me making all the compromises? I've made all these changes just because you said you needed them - look at what I was willing to do for the relationship! I don't understand. How can you walk away and not give me a chance to at least try to understand?"

Already forgetting myself in the wish to empathise in his distress. Stand firm, Charlotte! Ooh, but at least I won't have any more pressure to dtd tonight now...

Gonna catch up with what you've all been posting now.

butterflymeadow · 19/05/2013 22:42

TCM, have PM'd you. Feel free to ignore if not helpful.

Charlotte well done, stand firm. Seriously, keep repeating, it is not you, it is me for as long as it takes. Well, in my case, it was more like, the marriage is over. I wish you a calm and speedy exit from here on.

breathe, thank goodness not literally, was just about ready to whizz ober with my trampoline for you to jump down to (were it that easy, though)

FairyFi · 19/05/2013 22:46

the white wine comes in tankards !!???

you sound strong lady, and cheers to that! even pullin gyourself up on relaying his distress, returning to focus on your own needs ... and to celebrate NO DTD TONIGHT!!!! YAY! ROUSING CHORUS!

FairyFi · 19/05/2013 22:51

hang on in there Fly we'll be gathering our implements ready for your quest for freedom soon, keep your precious lovelies close by ready for the final push xxxx Wink we'll be with you all the way xxx

LemonDrizzled · 19/05/2013 22:55

Make mine a Brew of white wine too please Fi

Well done Charlotte and all of you inching closer to the exit.

Here in my Little House tonight it is calm and orderly and I have chatted to my DC who are knuckling down to Uni exams far away. I can still remember how hard it was living with FuckWittery but as it recedes it seems a long way back. Was it really so awful? YES IT WAS! Is life really better? YES IT IS!

Settles down in a corner to read Inferno which is driving me insane why did I ever buy it!

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 19/05/2013 23:02

:o :o

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