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support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 20

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foolonthehill · 14/04/2013 17:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
minkembra · 16/04/2013 23:59

Doh! Bernard went into allo allo mode again and i forget to check. oh the irony.

Obviously (?) that is the words you use most frequently and not birds that you mist frequently.

Bernard is clearly tired. or drunk. or both. bad Bernard drinking without me.

Re. star charts. tried that too. works for a fortnight tops and has no effect on graffiti. we now do screen time. that works except on the graffiti thing. And it is not really their behaviour that is the problem they are just being (horribly normal) kids it is my reaction that needs sorting BlushSad

FairyFi · 17/04/2013 00:02

should I add 'cock' ?

FairyFi · 17/04/2013 00:05

yes, 'allo allo' influence noted and Grin! Very bad Bernard must be punished Mink.. and so back to parenting Wink

I did have to set my DD and her very naughty cohorts in crime friends to picking the 100 or so stickers off my walls and stair skirtings when they were v ickly.

FairyFi · 17/04/2013 00:06
LemonDrizzled · 17/04/2013 00:16

Just checked in and am laughing my head off at Bernard and the ducks!

Interestingly tonight I was chairing a meeting and sorting out a business merger. Due to all the work I have done on EA and manipulative behaviour I have spotted that the man I am dealing with is a FW. But thanks to the Assertiveness book I am on top of it and feeling empowered.

Good news girls. If you can get through the fall out from realising your marriage is EA and your H is a FW then nothing is beyond you !

FairyFi · 17/04/2013 00:23

What assertiveness book? Lemon although not ready to be assertive yet, might be one for the shelf til I can manage that Hmm

mmmm... most empwering! Good vibe

LemonDrizzled · 17/04/2013 00:25

Oh and I did a great parenting course when my DC were littlies. It was organised by my church and came from Northern Ireland. The gist was that instead of a pitched battle over something like putting on pyjamas you offer two options: PJs on in the bedroom or in the bathroom? Ditto with putting on shoes: left first or right first? Its a win-win because both options suit you. And if they are vile you just withdraw your approval, but mainly you reward good behaviour. It was hard work with 3 under 4, but now they are lovely and polite and hard working! Teenagers are great!

LemonDrizzled · 17/04/2013 00:26

This one!

FairyFi · 17/04/2013 00:31

yes, about teenagers are great - in the way that I just put that book in my 'basket' and found 4 other items already in there!!! Hmm

TisILeclerc · 17/04/2013 08:01

Allo allo? Good moaning... Is someone channelling me? Grin I love the idea of a phone that translates everything into Officer Crabtree language Grin If I knew how to create an app I would do just that!

Ah, teenagers - yes, I now have two, and of the female variety too... My head is spinning from the sheer speed at which they can go from getting on ok to screaming and swearing at each other (and threatening to hurt the other Angry) to getting on ok to being really nice to each other to getting on ok again... Last night it was all achieved within 23 mins. Exhausting is not the word, but I fully expect them to top that achievement and get it all done quicker soon Wink

So, a day to myself today. Happy days. Think I'm going to sleep for a fair chunk of it. DS slept a lot better last night but I'm reeling from the night before when he decided to be up for four hours in the middle of the night. That's right my friends - four hours. We danced, ate breakfast, watched tv, played with duplo. All before 5am! And then back to bed for a couple of hours before starting the day officially.

I know I'm not meant to be here, but I miss you all too much to stay away Sad Expect me from time to time, just nosying... Obv I can't share very much now, but I'll be in the Vixens tonight Smile

thepatioislumpy · 17/04/2013 08:07

Oh YES! Teenagers!!! I'm sure I wasn't that contrary as a teen Tis (welcome back my the way - don't let the bastards grind you down... heartless twats I think mink said?). In fact I know I wasn't - I was a very good girl, and missed out on all the associated teen 'bad behaviour'. Perhaps I should be a teenager reborn in my 30s? Grin

What's this Vixens thing?

ColinCaterpillar · 17/04/2013 09:06

Thank you for the welcome here. Yes he is a cocklodger pussycat and yes, he has brought up a shit list of every thing I've done that's pissed him off over the last few years including stuff that happened when we weren't together. Including not having done enough for him. Not enough financially because I won't bankroll his trips to the pub. And yes, I'm expected to have the memory of a goldfish.

I feel a bit of a mess this morning. I get glimpses of how my life will improve - no more put downs, no more feeling inadaquate for absolutely everything etc. But really, I feel rejected, lost and lonely.

Mink, my autocorrect also has me 'ducking fuming' and telling people to 'duck off'.

BreatheandFlyAway · 17/04/2013 09:22

Tis hi me darlin, how's you? Teens- well my dd is 10 going on 15 and vv moody half the time then a little poppet playing with teddies the other halfBlush

Patio- hello and welcome. Vixens came out as vices on my phone so I think I'll leave that explanation standing Grin

thepatioislumpy · 17/04/2013 09:24

Sounds like it fits in perfectly with my plan to be a 30-something teen Grin

BreatheandFlyAway · 17/04/2013 09:24

Colin sorry you are feeling so sad this morning. It sounds like clarity is breaking through the clouds though? Yy to them expecting us to have memory of goldfishAngry. I hope you feel better as the day progressesBrew

BreatheandFlyAway · 17/04/2013 09:26

That'd be a good pub name 'the Vices' - def a cool teen hang out Wink

BreatheandFlyAway · 17/04/2013 09:27

Ps Colin- cocklodger pussycat Grin

ColinCaterpillar · 17/04/2013 09:29

Thank you for the brew breathe. I'm getting naff all done at the moment so might have to take myself off for a real one with cake soon. My phone not going off is making me really fed up.

Hopefully this caterpillar will make its transformation further down the line eh?

BreatheandFlyAway · 17/04/2013 09:30

I am sure Colin will metamorphosise beautifully when the time is right Smile

butterflymeadow · 17/04/2013 10:07

Pati, this Vixens thing is where we all duck and dive and pretend we are sweet sixteen again Smile

Caterpillar a belated welcome to the thread. The transformation will happen in time.

minkembra · 17/04/2013 10:20

breathe all pussycats (silvery excepted) are cocklodgers surely. only without the cock. so catlodgers. they basically come in whenever they please, take their bad temper out on your furniture, expect to be fed, stroked and for what? the occasional purr and a dead mouse on the carpet Grin

colin if possible if he is still away try to keep him away. he won't change this will just go on and on and grind you down. he has no conscience about anything he has done and just want you to shut up about it so he can go on believing in his victim hood and if only everyone were nicer to him blah blah blah. and he will probably try to suck you back in by being nice (hoovering) and promise you better behaviour but only with strings attached...

fi don't even get me started on the stickers, the blu tack, they selotape, the endless yards of unrolled toilet roll. the sanitary towels and tampons taken out of their packets and used as boats in the bath that clog my plughole. sigh. oh but I luvvs them. still dd2 hoovered up the snowdrift of polystyrene they had crumpled up to play at snow yesterday. (i did have to go up and check first though as she was that determined to get on with the hoovering we nearly lost 3 pair of pants a vest and 'tiny cheetah' to the hoover. )

other dd gave herself a black eye last night jumping off one couch and face planting herself into the arm of the other couch (ow!). how many time I have told them about jumping on the furniture but she remained grimly determined to just do a better job of furniture jumping in future.

they think I just tell them not to do stuff because I enjoy telling them not to do stuff not because actually jumping off the furniture is dangerous. (and annoying- they went through two couches last year)

I try to go for prevention is better than cure so if I see them doing something dangerous I just remove that thing but I draw the line at no furniture. reminds me though must remove the bit of washing line that they keep using to balance on roof of wendy hut it is clearly going to snap. (then again i remember my mum telling me exactly the same thing about trying to use the phone line as a glide wire to swing down from the garage roof that I was not supposed to be on. (although I still swear that no matter what she says the time she lost me in London at the age of 4 was her fault. (she still holds me responsible Hmm)

I shall try the left foot/right foot thing. etc. and more chamomile tea. some valium and a lot of counting to ten.

minkembra · 17/04/2013 10:22

butterfly i do hope you really meant duck that time.
The vixens is where we hide from the werewolves whilst discussing patio laying.

betterthanever · 17/04/2013 10:43

Good for you tis

butterflymeadow · 17/04/2013 10:55

Yes, mink absolutely, just one little duck, or maybe 2.

When DD was into furniture jumping, I bowed to the inevitable, bought her a trampoline and booked her into classes to learn how to use it properly. Now she is learning somersaults, I am not sure of the wisdom of that idea.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 17/04/2013 12:02

Catching up on the thread (I know I know, the tardy Queen). I missed a lot of the last thread so hope you're doing ok tis. And a big hooray for Bertie at the start of the thread, hope freedom is treating you well!

Quiet here. I'm slowly trying to do things around the house so I can look at getting it on the market at the end of the year (FW's constant reply is that he can't afford it despite having just got himself a new car) so I'm funding most of it myself which is tough when you're in debt. FW is pushing me on all sorts of things but I'm pushing back. Anything to keep me sane.

The downside is that my studies are not going well, with the next exam looming in July this is a problem. However I can say I passed my retake of the last one I took at the beginning of the year Smile.

Still havn't had the guts to see a solicitor, but what's important is that my mindset has changed. It's now longer 'if', it's 'when'.

And cats are not cocklodgers, mine gives me far more affection than FW ever has Grin!

Brew for all!