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support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 20

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foolonthehill · 14/04/2013 17:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
BreatheandFlyAway · 16/04/2013 22:36

bounty I'll keep you posted re FP - it seems to be good so far, I am looking forward to the empowerment. I think being on here has massively helped prepare the ground for going to it.

Patio glad it helped you so much. Here's hoping it will me too Smile

colin, what patio said. It's hard breaking through the fog but stick to it and keep talking here.

ColinCaterpillar · 16/04/2013 22:38

Yes rationally, it's a big favour. But one which will be on his terms. In that he can do what he wants but if I dare to have a life, go out etc, I'll get abuse for it. He might not want me, but you know, in case he does, he genuinely thinks I should live in a cage.

He may well contact me. He either will want a coffee, some favour (can't do anything for himself) or will think we can just revert to having sex like nothing has happened.

He admits he is 'teaching me a lesson' and giving me a list of reasons from past grievances with me.

Oh he's such a TWAT.

BreatheandFlyAway · 16/04/2013 22:41

oooh colin I think your twat diagnosis is spot on Sad. What a plonker. And sadly, the behaviour will ring true for most of our fws because they are all cut from the same cookie cutter Angry

minkembra · 16/04/2013 22:44

Colin same on all counts. mine used to frequently leave unless i changed or more often to stop me from going out (if he was supposed to be looking after our kids).
In the end i told him to go but not before years of yoyoing back and forth.

Sorry to post and run, so much going on.
Quick question - has anyone Bernard to parenting classes? If so, who were they run by? What format were they? And were they genuinely helpful or just as often seems to be the case with books advice that sounds great but is impossible to put into practise and still actually function in the real world?

I think my parenting style needs work. i try but it is hard work and i don't feel like i am dealing with challenge very well.

minkembra · 16/04/2013 22:47

Who is Bernard? Been. been. Usually i notice Bernard trying to insert himself into conversations (he thinks it is all about him). Maybe if i type been often enough the phone will stop talking about him.

betterthanever · 16/04/2013 22:52

I keep thinking about FP, great to hear to is going well. I echo the MN thread effect. I know I will have worse days but despite the long day I'm still awake ok had a little drink hehe but feel at least ok if not good - thank you everyone.

betterthanever · 16/04/2013 22:53

I'm Grin at Bernard he may or may not be a FW?

minkembra · 16/04/2013 22:54

Colin i am betting he can bring up grievances from years ago and you are supposed to forgive and forget what he did 5 minutes ago. Hmm

Classics from my flouncing ex: 'I'll admit there has been fault on with sides' 'all you need to do is be a bit nicer to me' 'fine i won't do you the favour of coming to yours (to eat the food you cook use the broadband you pay for, save money on my heating) anymore' ok so he never said the bit in brackets.

betterthanever · 16/04/2013 22:55

mink with all this on our plates we can't be perfect parents all the time if anyone is ever but it is better than the alternative. I feel the same a lot. I see myself dropping out as I call it. I'm getting quicker at pulling it back together but it will take a long time till I have it spot on, I am determined it will come.

TheSilveryPussycat · 16/04/2013 22:56

min I am currently in similar dialogue with my new phone, my first smart phone. It seems to think it knows better than me (and in many ways it does! - just not text writing)

Colin is he a cocklodger as well as useless and 'needing' favours?

bountyicecream · 16/04/2013 22:57

Bernard has made me chuckle!!!

better Ok is fine, better than bad. One day at a time ....

colin at can be on your terms. If you don't want him back then tell him so. But be prepared for him to ramp up the EA swinging between 'charming FW' and 'nasty FW'. Don't believe him when he says he'll change, remember it's not your fault, try not to worry about hurting his feelings (very hard!) however bad he tells you that you're making his life. My H used to threaten to leave often until the day I said OK then maybe that would be best. Sadly for me he hasn't offered since so I'm going to have to kick him out.

thepatioislumpy · 16/04/2013 22:58

I agree with mink - mine did a fine line in storing up grievances from several millenia ago yet would shout 'I said I was sorry!' and that was meant to be that.

I'd love to go with Bernard to parenting classes but unfortunately it's the only class that our local WA run which doesn't have creche provision Hmm

bountyicecream · 16/04/2013 23:00

mink someone on here a while ago said I may not be as bad a parent as I think. It's just that I'm used to being told that I am. Obviously no need for complacency but maybe things aren't that bad. Although I agree we can always strive to be better Mums.

BreatheandFlyAway · 16/04/2013 23:07

I am thinking about parenting classes too but have no experience of them so far. But agree with bounty - we are not as bad as we are told we are by the fws! (And as for Bernard, he can just go and do one Wink ha ha, that made me laff Grin)

minkembra · 16/04/2013 23:24

Ex did tell me the kids were atrocious and it was all my fault. they are not but they can very quite hard work and as a friend pointed out recently they really just do not listen. if they are told not to do something and given a good reason not to do it they still do it often while you are standing there watching them.

And they keep drawing on the walls. no matter how many times i tell them, ask them, beg them not to. They stop for a while than do it again. i have tried telling to ask for paper, giving them jotters, confiscating all their pens and pencils.

my df came down and painted half the house. they still drew on it. they did it again yesterday and were totally not sorry until i had got really annoyed about it. they don't even listen when they are getting told off. so i ended up shouting at them Blush just to get heard over their chatter. I don't like shouting and it is so hard to get through to them. i don't tell them off for little things just things that are actually dangerous or that do damage or that create work/waste money.
And that still feels like all the time.

I feel like i spend all day nagging. we are always late. i don't play with them enough because i have so much to do. (they have been complaining).

And i hate it if i say things like 'well i wouldn't shout if you would listen' 'or that makes me feel really annoyed' because like the counsellor says no one can make you feel anything. and i am starting to sound like him.Sad

FairyFi · 16/04/2013 23:30

If Bernard is behaving like a FW, then I am assuming him to be one.

I've popped in to do some Lexicon spotting [for some necessary distraction and amusement - I am strange aren't I!)

Adding Plonker [not gonna let you 'slip that one by me'!]

love to all ... Fly cool for FP .. Mink ask at FP? I'll ask, as they have ones for kids and mums, separately and then together I think (as abuse sufferers - under 12's only) ... and can get you some f/back, as one there has started.

Headworker = start with one rant, link into past misdemeanors, current ones, unrelated others, random even, and misdemeanors that have not yet come to be Hmm

FairyFi · 16/04/2013 23:34
FairyFi · 16/04/2013 23:34

shit! DUCKS!!! Not the other word! Shock Blush

FairyFi · 16/04/2013 23:35

gawd thats awful faux pas Blush -

butterflymeadow · 16/04/2013 23:39

I got a great book called How to talk so kids will listen and how to listen so kids will talk. It had some good strategies. I gave it to FW though and did not see it again.

Oh yes, the 'well, I don't have to come', 'well, in x hours you will be rid of me' lines. Got them too.

Going back a page, the frustration, I never struck out at FW, did once throw a book, it was late, he wanted to do some online purchase comparing which absolutely needed my input, even though I was tired and wanted to read. I threw the book down in sheer frustration and it ended up a row. That was very early on. It was that, the needling away so you never, ever got any downtime, ever. And you were just unreasonable to expect it. Thing is, like you say, not being able to pinpoint the source of the frustration, because starting to compare prices online at 11pm and needing to discuss it, regardless of whether I wanted to was reasonable, of course. And so many other similar incidents. I actually think that may have been the last time I attempted to read a book in his presence, he would just talk at me. No peace. Because why was I in a relationship if I expected some peace and quiet?

butterflymeadow · 16/04/2013 23:43

Haha, so busy typing I missed Fi's fucking faux pas...

( sorry, Fi, could not resist the alliteration)

bountyicecream · 16/04/2013 23:44

fi maybe your parenting style needs a little 'work' ? Wink

Don't you just hate it when a very inappropriate letter is next to the correct one on the keyboard? I wrote a very official work document but somehow my 'white' became 'shite' Blush

minkembra · 16/04/2013 23:45

butterfly i have they book. or had it. think ex took it too. The strategies i tried from it did not really work. Sad

minkembra · 16/04/2013 23:53

fi Grin Grin your spell check works the other way from mine it keeps inserting ducks and ducking when i am effing and blinding. i wonder if it corrects to the bird you use mist frequently HmmWink
I also have to force my phone who from know on will be known as Bernard, to say shite and not white.

Old phone was always banging on about anal and riots (pints) though. it was a trouble maker. (ok now i think about it it was usually substituting anal for cock Blush (this is starting to sound really sordid/wrong) cock is such a good insult though.

FairyFi · 16/04/2013 23:54

maybe your parenting style needs a little 'work' ?

I think so

BTW How to talk so kids will listen.... I think I might have just given an example of that?!

Hilarious white/shite!!!

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